Living things die when put in storage.
Higgs Generators break when put in storage.
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Are Valkyrie Cores a system for continual improvement via machinery? And Antagonists part of a system for continual improvement via life?
 
There's this:

Which seems to imply a level of intelligence, at least, on the level of dolphins. Doplhins are cruel. :thonk:

Maybe Kronos made a tactical decision? Whoooo knooooows.
We also know that this isn't the first time Kronos has showed off:
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Koujirou had discovered the technique against Anna, who had promptly shut it down in possibly the most contemptuous display of superiority that Shuri had ever witnessed, surpassed perhaps only by the flamboyant performances of Type Zero Kronos.
That kind of pattern strongly indicates Kronos has a degree of personality, so I think it's reasonable to assume Type Zeroes are sapient.
Impeller handholding.
Scandalous.
 
The last post was on page 185.

Ignoring the apparent exponential growth, if Avalanche updated now and this trend continued, this thread would exceed 1000 pages slightly before chapter 24.

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That's not just insane, that's Anna levels of amazing.
Still on my long, slow crawl through the entire thread, but I had to stop for a moment and acknowledge the prescience of this post. Because four years later, we still seem to be on track to prove this right.
 
Yes she would be... She would be a speedblitzer of tremendous proportion and a country-sized zone of pure death....
You seem to forget that Coroner is massively Hypersonic while i don't see to remember a magical girl getting past half the speed of sound.
Moreover Coroner can engage foe from hundreds to a thousands of kilometers away with a staggering amount of power

And in the war there are fighter jets, BVR weaponry and battleships.

Anna happens to bring those things together in one mostly girl sized spatial anomaly. She's not an OCP, she's an RMA, a massive leap in capacity, but she doesn't bring anything technically new to the table unless she plops herself down and ecos.
 
Man. All the talk about Shy!Anna makes me wish I was involved in the quest early enough to vote for her. I'm so curious about how the Instructors and others would have reacted to her.

I wonder if her town being rescued/evacuated to Perth (presumably) would have been a big propaganda thing for the UN or if the UN would have tried to keep it under wraps.
 
I wonder if her town being rescued/evacuated to Perth (presumably) would have been a big propaganda thing for the UN or if the UN would have tried to keep it under wraps.
E26 would have been dropped off in Indonesia:
In a -1 setting, she'd probably have flown her Arcology to Indonesia or something, and then left them there while she's in Perth. There'd be various implications about how she just wants to stay with her family, but the UN bribed or threatened her people into convincing that she should become a combat/construction Valkyrie, which flew over her head because she's a tiny cinnamon roll but certainly didn't escape the adults around her.

More importantly, I'd have to nail down an actual town in Canada where all these people are from, so thank goodness people choose the -1 Anna instead of the +1 Anna.
 
Thinking about it, I have a hypothesis of what determined whether Anna would have ended up the Shy Girl ir the Monster: in tge Shy Girl timeline, the Antagonists would have decided to go for a containment strategy. In this timeline, they went for extermination.

Basically, in the Shy Girl timeline, they decided to spend a small but steady stream of their units at her, keep the town and Anna from wandering. This would mean a constant drain, true, but it's low-risk and allows them to use the rest of their stuff on other things, which considering the Great Battle was happening was important.

In contrast, in this timeline, they likely decided to redirect more and higher level units to wipe the town out. This would have had a high chance of them removing the resource drain, at the cost more resources in the short-term and a risk of things going wrong. Which it did for them.
That gives an idea of the VC prequel game being a weird tower defense game. But you only have one tower.
I wonder if her town being rescued/evacuated to Perth (presumably) would have been a big propaganda thing for the UN or if the UN would have tried to keep it under wraps.
Saving the town would have been a big propaganda opportunity, but after learning of Anna's capabilities they'd probably done their best to keep her identity a secret. People would know there was one Valkyrie who did that, but not who.
 
It would probably be something between Ace Combat and Project Nimbus, with time slowed down a lot to make it playable for people whose reaction time isn't measurably influenced by the light of something happening a few hundred kilometers away not having reached them yet.
 
Definition of "life" is one that is pretty much arbitrary.
both in fiction and in real life.
When does a set of chemical reactions become "life"?
Why are some self replicating entities alive and others not? Does it have to be carbon based? Is DNA a requirement?

For the sake of the story, i am presonally just not thinking about it. It's there basicly just as a story limitation that will come up if/when the writer decides it comes up, and stopping us from just evaquating thousands of people by putting them in storage and teleporting away.
 
I think Cores disagrees with this definition. After all our Teacher did use nanomachines to calculate our favorite food.
My point wasn't that Cores can't use nanomachines. My point was that classifying things as living things or machines is arbitrary. I consider it likely that the limitation isn't specific to living things but just happens to apply to the majority of naturally evolved creatures on Earth. Perhaps it interferes with certain chemical processes like oxidation that cells need to survive. Perhaps the improvement subroutine has issues working with creatures and simplifies their neural structure (I.E lobotomizes) or optimises their cells and causes all the cancer. Perhaps Valks have some kind of anti-virus system that automatically destroys stuff it can't work out the design of.
 
So did shy!Anna found not!Durga arcology core when a kid?

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Wait, are all cores the same size except maybe the 300s? I mean, could Durga shift to arcology or battle ship mode?
 
So did shy!Anna found not!Durga arcology core when a kid?

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Wait, are all cores the same size except maybe the 300s? I mean, could Durga shift to arcology or battle ship mode?
All cores are the same size (no WoG I know of, but all description so far has been "fist-sized"). Being a battleship doesn't mean "the core is suddenly gigantic", it means "every part of the battleship is covered by the core's Impeller and an expressed component, which strenghtens the Impeller" (a Valkyrie battleship is basically a Valkyrie, but a lot larger and slower, a bit less tanky per volume but way tankier in total, with normal Valkyrie weapons)
 
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Thinking about it, I have a hypothesis of what determined whether Anna would have ended up the Shy Girl ir the Monster: in tge Shy Girl timeline, the Antagonists would have decided to go for a containment strategy. In this timeline, they went for extermination.

Basically, in the Shy Girl timeline, they decided to spend a small but steady stream of their units at her, keep the town and Anna from wandering. This would mean a constant drain, true, but it's low-risk and allows them to use the rest of their stuff on other things, which considering the Great Battle was happening was important.

In contrast, in this timeline, they likely decided to redirect more and higher level units to wipe the town out. This would have had a high chance of them removing the resource drain, at the cost more resources in the short-term and a risk of things going wrong. Which it did for them.
...This doesn't quite fit with my mental image of how Anna-Sekhmet encounter occurs. We can probably assume that on the UN-Antagonists front things should remain largerly the same, with Sekhmet using its energy mortar superweapon to wipe out the UN fleet, then returning to the Breach for resupply and repair. So that is a fixed sequence of events.

In Monster Anna timeline, this leads to Sekhmet and Monster Anna running into each other, Monster Anna Wave Force-ing Sekhmet in zero range, returning (briefly) to her Arcology to learn of the uprising she had to put down violently, launching herself off to Saskatoon Breach to Wave Force it into oblivion from the inside, then returning to her Arcology to learn it got completely destroyed while she was making a Breach disappear (and at the distances/velocities involved she couldn't have been gone long), then finally getting into contact with Valkyries investigating the Wave Force effects and fainting right afterwards.

Now, if we assume that Shy Anna was contained to keep her from wandering... Why would she be wandering enough to run into Sekhmet?
:V There is one battlefield where I feel Summit has an edge. Not against others, but only vs her counterpart.

Summit (blushing): "Hey, uh, Koujirou. I like your hair, it is cute and fluffy."
Coroner: "!!!"

It's like Misaka vs Misaka 11032 if the clone was much shorter.

Otherwise I doubt Summit can handle much about the common AGs for this setting. A Type blocking her evasive teleports would be a disaster. OTOH, there's a chance she can absorb a core and start cross applying her skills. Not a good chance because I suspect Valk Cores count as alive, but it's there.

And Summit can comment that Magical Girl 'shadow' powersets happen all the damn time where she's from, she hoped she was an outlier.
Snerk. Actually yeah, Summit does have a bolder personality, she actually flirts with handsome Majors of Team GEAR that catch her fancy... Flirts really badly as in blurts her attraction aloud, but that's still more than Anna has ever accomplished.
Depending on how discovery interacts with EW type AG's, and if she could level up a bit in controlled circumstances, start acquiring some more esoteric effects, Summit could be a complete OCP (as in: the kind of problem civilisations (antagonists in this case) encounter like a sentence encounter a full stop). Particularly if she can manufacture magic items that can be integrated and improved upon by Valks.

Coroner dropped into the Long War would, ultimately, not be an OCP...
Well, possibly if she went full on Arcology mode and started throwing cornucopia machines everywhere.
Can confirm - Summit's Peerless Explorer and Instant Manufacture make her a a decent artificer, of anything she examined or fused. This includes erzatz Bolos, hovertanks, magic forcefield generators, power armors, and probably a lot more than that. The question becomes - whether Valkyrie Core is capable of integration and improvement of fused magical items.
Living things die when put in storage.
Higgs Generators break when put in storage.
:thonk:

Are Valkyrie Cores a system for continual improvement via machinery? And Antagonists part of a system for continual improvement via life?
Not a bad idea... And since Higgs Generators are a really rare commodity, not testing them at all, like giving it to a Closed Space specialist to test their workability, would be the go-to decision for STRATNET.

Actually... IIRC it's been said that Soul, Magic and Physics in CWMGQ are very finicky when used in the same project, to break the limitations of one through the other. It's been said that perpetual motion devices (and/or perpetual energy generators) can be built, however they are unreliable in that one and the same generator will need a dozen or two attempts to switch it on, to actually work as advertised. And if it's ever shut down, it may not work on the next two dozen activations before suddenly working again on its 25th consecutive reactivation attempt.

Frankly, considering how Higgs Generators behave as physics-breaking objects and how they are so finicky, in a crossover I would most likely conflate their behavior with the abovementioned result and call them another hybrid device that taps, in some manner, into non-Physics interactions to produce the results it does... And so requires a lengthy string of reactivation attempts after being shut down (or put in Closed Space storage as the case may be)
 
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