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Battle Action Harem Highschool Side Character Quest (No SV, you are the Waifu)

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Jonen C said:
If people are hypothesizing AnnaVAnna, I wanna know what happens when MG Summit meets Valkyrie Coroner.
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If we're taking it as a serious "who would win", then Original Article Anna as of Sekhmet battle would curbstomp MG Summit on her speed haxx alone. That has always been the case.

Reason is - the most recent update has provided me with a solid "200 miles per minute" benchmark for Valkyrie movement speed.
At her fastest MG Summit's speed it "270 miles per hour", which is 44.(4) times slower. For the record, Summit's reaction speed allows her to track only objects moving with up to 360 mph... That's 6 miles per minute, tops.

Consequently, it means that Summit should be all but useless in direct combat against higher tier Antagonists.

On the other hand, if Summit ever appears in Anna's old Arcology, E26, especially before Sekhmet or the time when the Arcology first began to splinter into zealot madmen and their victims, she would become a literal lifesaver due to well-developed planetary and interdimensional portal creation ability.

On a different note, Avalanche's claim about Shy Girl Anna always being stronger than Monster Anna makes sense assuming equal opposition. Unlike Monster Anna, Shy Girl Anna was capable of rebuffing that level of opposition, therefore she was stronger. Even if *eyes all the mastered abilities in our Anna's stat list* I'm not quite sure what was it that she was developing to manage it... Not weapon skills, since our Anna has 200/200 in HPP in any range that mattered. Possibly with TRE (Target Rich Environment), making her superior in tactical acumen. And maybe in Advanced Impeller Skills (since all Basic and Intermediate skills are mastered by our Anna), which should translate into (Energy Equivalency, Closed Space, Teleport, Interdiction, Gate)... probably supreme mastery of battlefield movement, and maybe maxed out Energy Equivalency and Closed Space in order to laugh at most energy attacks, directly convert smaller Antags into resources, and literally hide her entire Arcology in subspace, inhabitants included, to protect them from danger... I'm only mostly kidding. :p
 
Faraway-R said:
Even if *eyes all the mastered abilities in our Anna's stat list* I'm not quite sure what was it that she was developing to manage it.
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Well going by:
Avalanche said:
Pretty spot on, the Awkward shy girl would have a special modifier called Flawless Aegis, which is what you have but better, but she'd not have "Transcendent Offence"
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and:
Avalanche said:
Oh, and the Ginungagap project wouldn't exist as Anna can't reproduce Wave Force on demand, she can only use it when the density of plot reaches a certain critical mass.
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My guess is that while Shattered Aegis only provides damage mitigation Flawless Aegis probably also provides a combat boost when defending people. One that would scale with how seriously Shy!Anna cared about the situation; allowing for her to unlock Wave Force when the situation is particularly grim.
 
Faraway-R said:
On a different note, Avalanche's claim about Shy Girl Anna always being stronger than Monster Anna makes sense assuming equal opposition. Unlike Monster Anna, Shy Girl Anna was capable of rebuffing that level of opposition, therefore she was stronger. Even if *eyes all the mastered abilities in our Anna's stat list* I'm not quite sure what was it that she was developing to manage it... Not weapon skills, since our Anna has 200/200 in HPP in any range that mattered. Possibly with TRE (Target Rich Environment), making her superior in tactical acumen. And maybe in Advanced Impeller Skills (since all Basic and Intermediate skills are mastered by our Anna), which should translate into (Energy Equivalency, Closed Space, Teleport, Interdiction, Gate)... probably supreme mastery of battlefield movement, and maybe maxed out Energy Equivalency and Closed Space in order to laugh at most energy attacks, directly convert smaller Antags into resources, and literally hide her entire Arcology in subspace, inhabitants included, to protect them from danger... I'm only mostly kidding. :p
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It's Aegis. Shy Girl Anna would have "Flawless Aegis" but no Transcendent Offense, while Monster Anna has Shattered Aegis and Transcendent Offense. Avalanche has also mentioned there's equipment differences:
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Luckier mostly, although the exact background I won't be able to pin down without knowing the tone of the quest. At-1 like it is now, it would have been that she was lucky. At +2 or above, then we start getting wtf levels of skill allowing her to wreck any attacks that did happen.
The Awkward Shy Girl never swapped to offensive loadouts as the Monsters did, would choke out in any situation that required confrontation with another human and was generally more of a door mat. However, you'd basically never lose a defensive battle.
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The most likely scenario is that sometime in their earlier days, where the Shy Girl would have faced weak/normal level opposition, the Monster ended up facing (an) enemy force(s) that was beyond her ability to keep the town safe from, forcing her to switch tactics to so as to ensure she fought elsewhere, where the town wouldn't end up as collateral.

This, long-term, didn't work, but it was likely the most sensible option at the time.
 
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UberJJK said:
My guess is that while Shattered Aegis only provides damage mitigation Flawless Aegis probably also provides a combat boost when defending people. One that would scale with how seriously Shy!Anna cared about the situation; allowing for her to unlock Wave Force when the situation is particularly grim.
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Going by the mechanics back before Avalanche dropped them I think Shattered Aegis had a limit on the number of times it could activate a turn.
I suspect Flawless would not have this but it also might mitigate more.

You can see it in action back during the simulation with Sandra and Shuri.
 
Shy Anna probably was her Arcology. Arcologies are basically gigantic Valkyrie Frames after all.

Which would modify her stats quite a bit (like frame HP), and open (and close) some interesting combat options and skills.

Hm. With how valuable our Annas Wave Force, HPP, etc are for humanity, I wonder what equivalents Shy Anna would have? Probably even more haxx builder skills, some tech revolutionary for Arcology defense, bullshit skills that she would be trying to teach Arcology Valkyries and maybe even Battleships...

Wait, HPP in matter piercing mode is extreme range artillery. Mount 1x10 on an fortress frame with a powerful fusion reactor, and you have a massive zone of death around that near invulnerable hard point, so long as you have sensor coverage. Scary.

Well, this assumes that Shy Anna has HPPs, which she might not. Definitely not 10 of them at least I think.
 
It's also possible that, while effective at defense, Shy Anna has very little to offer beyond being a good defender of locations.
Being stationary, and not limited by things like need to move, could require lot less technological innovation.
Now, she probably would have innovations, improvements, plenty of stuff to allow humanity make their arcologies safer in general, but nothing quite as game changing as Wave Force.
 
Somewhere, in Africa right now, is a shy Anna situation waiting to be found.

Like, there were 20+ other hidden human towns already found, maybe more hidden ones has a shy anna protecting them
 
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Dark as Silver said:
Take that off. We just had WoG posted.
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I'm referring to VS Debate motivation handwave. Specifically, Anna actually attacking E26.

I don't recall reading WoG for that :V

Y'know, the place she defended, and presumably where her parents are still alive.
SpeckofStardust said:
Ya on the other hand monster would be able to likely end her in any other frank situation.
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but waveforce is kinda BS. So you could be wrong.
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I mean, Avalanche said that Battle of the Anna's is enough narrative for Shy!Anna to get Wave Force. (Her Wave Force is gated behind Sufficient Plot Importance, and isn't at will.)

And no, I'm not wrong. This is WoG.
 
As amusing and awesome as Anna vs Anna would be, even as some weird pseudo-psychedelic whats-a-muh-blugh battle of the mind. I can't help but think that our Anna would come out worse for it, even if she wins.

Anyway. Anyone got an idea which character's arc we're currently in, given some things are gated behind them?
 
Valmond said:
It's also possible that, while effective at defense, Shy Anna has very little to offer beyond being a good defender of locations.
Being stationary, and not limited by things like need to move, could require lot less technological innovation.
Now, she probably would have innovations, improvements, plenty of stuff to allow humanity make their arcologies safer in general, but nothing quite as game changing as Wave Force.
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Shy Anna did have wave force but she would not be able to reproduce it until certain plot points happened.

Additionally we do not know what weapons shy Anna would have only she would have somthing to kill tpye 0s with and destroy sakatoon breach.
 
khang said:
Shy Anna did have wave force but she would not be able to reproduce it until certain plot points happened.

Additionally we do not know what weapons shy Anna would have only she would have somthing to kill tpye 0s with and destroy sakatoon breach.
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Shy Anna took out type zeron and a breach?
I thought she only managed to keep her arcology safe until relief got there.
I could be remembering wrong.
 
Dutch said:
As amusing and awesome as Anna vs Anna would be, even as some weird pseudo-psychedelic whats-a-muh-blugh battle of the mind. I can't help but think that our Anna would come out worse for it, even if she wins.
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:V There is one battlefield where I feel Summit has an edge. Not against others, but only vs her counterpart.

Summit (blushing): "Hey, uh, Koujirou. I like your hair, it is cute and fluffy."
Coroner: "!!!"

It's like Misaka vs Misaka 11032 if the clone was much shorter.

Otherwise I doubt Summit can handle much about the common AGs for this setting. A Type blocking her evasive teleports would be a disaster. OTOH, there's a chance she can absorb a core and start cross applying her skills. Not a good chance because I suspect Valk Cores count as alive, but it's there.

And Summit can comment that Magical Girl 'shadow' powersets happen all the damn time where she's from, she hoped she was an outlier.
 
Dutch said:
As amusing and awesome as Anna vs Anna would be, even as some weird pseudo-psychedelic whats-a-muh-blugh battle of the mind. I can't help but think that our Anna would come out worse for it, even if she wins.
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I know what would be great for both of them: Monster!Anna and Shy!Anna both protecting the town...
Antagonist: Now there is two of them !
 
Thinking about it, I have a hypothesis of what determined whether Anna would have ended up the Shy Girl ir the Monster: in tge Shy Girl timeline, the Antagonists would have decided to go for a containment strategy. In this timeline, they went for extermination.

Basically, in the Shy Girl timeline, they decided to spend a small but steady stream of their units at her, keep the town and Anna from wandering. This would mean a constant drain, true, but it's low-risk and allows them to use the rest of their stuff on other things, which considering the Great Battle was happening was important.

In contrast, in this timeline, they likely decided to redirect more and higher level units to wipe the town out. This would have had a high chance of them removing the resource drain, at the cost more resources in the short-term and a risk of things going wrong. Which it did for them.
 
kelllogo said:
:V There is one battlefield where I feel Summit has an edge. Not against others, but only vs her counterpart.

Summit (blushing): "Hey, uh, Koujirou. I like your hair, it is cute and fluffy."
Coroner: "!!!"

It's like Misaka vs Misaka 11032 if the clone was much shorter.

Otherwise I doubt Summit can handle much about the common AGs for this setting. A Type blocking her evasive teleports would be a disaster. OTOH, there's a chance she can absorb a core and start cross applying her skills. Not a good chance because I suspect Valk Cores count as alive, but it's there.

And Summit can comment that Magical Girl 'shadow' powersets happen all the damn time where she's from, she hoped she was an outlier.
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Depending on how discovery interacts with EW type AG's, and if she could level up a bit in controlled circumstances, start acquiring some more esoteric effects, Summit could be a complete OCP (as in: the kind of problem civilisations (antagonists in this case) encounter like a sentence encounter a full stop). Particularly if she can manufacture magic items that can be integrated and improved upon by Valks.

Coroner dropped into the Long War would, ultimately, not be an OCP...
Well, possibly if she went full on Arcology mode and started throwing cornucopia machines everywhere.
 
Jonen C said:
Coroner dropped into the Long War would, ultimately, not be an OCP...
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Yes she would be... She would be a speedblitzer of tremendous proportion and a country-sized zone of pure death....
You seem to forget that Coroner is massively Hypersonic while i don't see to remember a magical girl getting past half the speed of sound.
Moreover Coroner can engage foe from hundreds to a thousands of kilometers away with a staggering amount of power
 
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Navi-Hank said:
Hey, quick question. How Sapient are the AGs?
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There's this:
Avalanche said:
Despite the fact that the Antagonist attack on Guerra FOB was headed by Class A Type Zero Kronos, attended to by Class B Type Zero Ahriman and Class B Type Zero Marut, it was a rather low key affair. Calling it a defence of the base was also rather generous in your opinion. The UN forces had promptly retreated from the expendable base in the face of so much concentrated power and Shuri served on the second line of rear guards as the UN pulled back. Despite the retreating forces being nearly completely open to annihilation from the three Type Zeros, Valkyrie screen or no, Kronos had waited until most of the personnel were clear before beginning to glass the base, contemptuously swatting aside the automated defences and drone platforms as Marut and Ahriman watch on.

More and more members of the Three Hundred arrived alongside low flying Valkyrie battleships, but before the requisite 40-1 and 10-1 force disparity between members of the 300 to Class A and Class B respectively was achieved, Kronos had turned the base into a pool of white hot lava then turned around and retreated alongside the other two Type Zeros. You feel your teeth clench at the sheer gall of the Antagonists in making such a move. Others online sympathised with your anger, with one Valkyrie of the Three Hundred describing the event as "The bastard swaggered over the line, slapped us in the face, trod on our toes, spat in our drinks, stomps on our sandcastles and then waltzed back to his side and there wasn't a damn thing we could do about it so close to the Tripoli major breach…"
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Which seems to imply a level of intelligence, at least, on the level of dolphins. Doplhins are cruel. :thonk:

Maybe Kronos made a tactical decision? Whoooo knooooows.
 
I wish I had access to all these quests that could have been to tide me over between updates for this quest.
 
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