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We should probably wait until after we get the ship and figure out what it's carrying first before we draft up any plans of a refit
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we certainly aren't able to design a refit until we have it, but we know we want the absolute best weapons available on it, and a good mix of our available defenses.
a single close in Fatesheer is bare minimum, and will definitely cost a lot more on a SoV than a carrack.
for missiles I'd say a close in and point defense each.
finish it off with two starlance points defense to make up for the single Fatesheer.
That's why I was pushing for my Carrack design proposal that had a hangar and PD instead of a CIWB battery since those things eat up 2 System Slots.
It devolved into arguing about whether we actually need strikecraft which I maintain we do as they're a pretty fundamental part of space combat in 40k even if they don't take center stage.
We don't really have much of a Psy-Scope reserve compared to Starcrystals since the leading Carrack design doesn't reduce the Psy-Scope usage at all like what happened with the War Ketch refit.
A Brig's Fatesever PD costs 360 Psy-Scopes apiece which translates to 180 Fatesever cannons.
That is a 3x increase from what an Escort PD battery needed (60 guns) and we're likely to see a much greater increase for the Sword of Vaul given the fact that it's got enough space for it's tertiary armaments to include 6 Starcasters.
For reference a Starcaster when fitted onto a Brig takes a up a decent amount of space so the fact that those 6 Starcasters are considered part of the tertiary weapons suggests that a Sword of Vaul has way more space for additional weapons than what was mentioned above.
Based on the fact that the ships we got from Arach-Qin were their most damaged my guess is that we've got maybe 10 turns before we're done fixing all their ships.
This estimate is based on the remaining time needed for finishing repairs on their current ships and the assumption that the next batches should be take less time as the ones we've gotten are their most damaged.
As of turn 5 we've got another 5 turns before we're done with everything from this batch.
With ~10 turns we'd get an extra ~1.2k Psy-Scopes but give we'll want plenty of Fatesever, Fatesheer, and Fatetwister batteries on a Sword of Vaul we're going to want to stock up as many as we can as just a 3x increase in Psy-Scopes from a single Fatesheer PD scaled up for a SoV will probably wipe out those extra Psy-Scopes.Turn 5 Repairs said:
If we went with strikecraft instead of Fatesheer CIWB wherein each strikecraft is armed with a single Fatesever plus 2 other vehicle scale weapons we would have Fatecaster based PD while still getting a surplus of 28 Psy-Scopes per ship (64-18*2=28) for a total of 1512 Psy-Scopes instead of gaining no Psy-Scopes.
Sweeper PD is short range, so ineffective against most crafts but boy is it effective against boarding attempts. Which is a big threat against flagships.
Technically, but given Vibration Culverins have short-ish range even for Vehicular weapons and need extended time-on-target to actually damage vehicles rather than just their crew, I wouldn't recommend it.
Might be much more impressive as a Close-In Weapon System, though.
Amplifiers might be interesting as CIWS, too; they've got no listed range penalty, unlike many of the grav weapons, and the big ones are explicitly AoE. Dunno how big an arc of the sky you could put under them at once, but if it's large enough the fact they're firing in batteries and boosting each other would do a lot to make up for the otherwise lackluster DPS.
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not likely. for one their very short range, for two it's only really Superheavy and up that can melt tanks or aircraft in seconds. you'd need at least a close in.
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Way too late, but posted a new design.
[] War Carrack, with some scope reclamation
-[] Chassis: Carrack (8 Systems, 6 Weapons Batteries, 2 Heavy Weapons Batteries)
-[] Convert 2 Weapons Batteries and 1 Heavy Weapons Battery to System Slots (+4 Systems)
-[] Weapons: 1x Heavy Starlance, 3x Fatetwister Cannon Batteries, 1x Macro-Suncannons
-[] Systems: 3x Aethersail, 1x Plasma Drive, 1x Vibration bombard Close In Weapons Battery, 1x Holofield, 1x Grav-Shield
We should recover 64 psyscopes per ship.
[] War Carrack, with some scope reclamation
-[] Chassis: Carrack (8 Systems, 6 Weapons Batteries, 2 Heavy Weapons Batteries)
-[] Convert 2 Weapons Batteries and 1 Heavy Weapons Battery to System Slots (+4 Systems)
-[] Weapons: 1x Heavy Starlance, 3x Fatetwister Cannon Batteries, 1x Macro-Suncannons
-[] Systems: 3x Aethersail, 1x Plasma Drive, 1x Vibration bombard Close In Weapons Battery, 1x Holofield, 1x Grav-Shield
We should recover 64 psyscopes per ship.
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Unfortunately Mechanis said that graviton thrusters don't make big enough holes for Fatetwister shots to go through them
Only paired with other Grav guns, I think. There's not much gravity to amplify in space.
40k warships are big enough to have their own gravity.
Fair point that fightercraft and torpedoes won't have that so much, though.
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Even better imo is a Sweeper + vibration bombard combo.
The vibro cannon needs time to do damage, and the sweeper buys that time.
Standard PD are Vehicle scale.
Imploders are noted as slowing or immobilizing targets as well, and the Vehicular and Superheavy versions aren't noted to have short range - of course, they're not AoE weapons, which means you have to land a hit before the slow applies.
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I think starlance has more power than plasma and for a sword of vaul that we can't go to heavy on the fatebender Psyscopes that's worth the investment. I think with sweeper you want more power & area coverage so would be better off with Close in rather than point defense.
Close-In Sweepers would be lovely!
Alas, the Sweeper doesn't scale up to Superheavy. Heavy and Vehicular only.
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ahh. well in that case I would be doubtful of a sweeper PDs ability to overcome a strike crafts propulsion sufficiently to have a meaningful effect.
Not without an Amplifier, yeah. Though very unpleasant to get wing'd by even without - fighters generally aren't built to take stresses like that.
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either way, I prefer the fatesheer close in missile close in and point defense, double starlance points defense I suggested earlier. It'll be expensive but effective.
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Superheavy Melta's are a thing in lore and Eldar Wraithknights use ones called Inferno Lances.
Honestly, maybe we should consider something other than fate-guns for a mass production fighter. Yes, yes, they're aimbot and hax and that's all very good, but what if we made something that the pilot has to aim, but which can still really fuck somebody up? Melta gun and dual plasma maybe, for that firey theming?
At some point though, we need to bite the bullet and expand exotics production. Doubling our Fateforges would be a good starting point.
At some point though, we need to bite the bullet and expand exotics production. Doubling our Fateforges would be a good starting point.
Doubling our Fateforges would cost 28 BAP.
If you want that to happen anytime soon, find ways to squeeze extra Enhance Industries in.
That said, at 6 Psy-Scopes a year, a single Fateforge is enough to arm 15 fighters with a single Fatesever every turn - more than a squadron. It's not actually an impossible ask, especially since we don't currently have plans for using Psy-Scopes in military expansion, ground or army - just the refit-type hulls and the Sword of Vaul. And those are one-time costs.
If you want that to happen anytime soon, find ways to squeeze extra Enhance Industries in.
That said, at 6 Psy-Scopes a year, a single Fateforge is enough to arm 15 fighters with a single Fatesever every turn - more than a squadron. It's not actually an impossible ask, especially since we don't currently have plans for using Psy-Scopes in military expansion, ground or army - just the refit-type hulls and the Sword of Vaul. And those are one-time costs.
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we only want a single vehicle grade fatesever, and only on an interceptor type defensive strike craft. we plan to pair it with two vehicles grade missile launchers, which could be armed with Melta missiles or some other manner of specialty missile. any other new strike craft made passed this point can use whatever we like and at this time I have no particular thoughts.
agreed. I can see us reaching a total AP and some slack in what we are spending sometimes from turn 20 to 25, though it may be a 2 or 3 turn venture.
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I think we should arm the fighter with 1 Fatesever cannon, 2 vehicle Suncannons. More firepower than lascannons, and unlimited ammo unlike missiles.