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I mean more like using a heavy/superheavy gunship in plan of a heavy/super heavy tank.
That said not like for Eldar there is even a big difference between the two considering everything is already flying.
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I mean more like using a heavy/superheavy gunship in plan of a heavy/super heavy tank.
That said not like for Eldar there is even a big difference between the two considering everything is already flying.
I think that depends on the Warhost in question. We may have some Warhosts that are all about being the armoured fist, making very heavy use of armoured vehicles, with Fata Morgana derivatives everywhere, escorted by jetbikes piloted by people in VGW, with infantry usually reserved for melee units delivered by heavily armoured assault transports. These would be used on raids to
We may have different Warhosts that are focused on motorised infantry, large numbers of VGW embarked on light grav vehicle derived trucks backed by lots of relatively cheap truck based artillery platforms. These would be what we'd deploy to garrison Exodite worlds threatened by ork invasion. They'd probably get more value from super-heavy 'ground' units.
We have more than one mission, so we probably want more than one doctrine which different types of War Hosts would implement. I don't think we have to choose.
It depends on their role. If a Warhost's job is to hold trench lines on an Exodite world, than a fast transport for infantry might be exactly what you need to respond to breaches, for example.
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on an adjacent note
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHlrflOtKnM
Somewhere around 00:06 the relevant bit starts. Exodite is an official 40k animation, btw. As far as I can see in most recent video and games, eldar walkers tend to lean toward "evangelion" rather than "battletech."
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so about open topped weapon platforms. thread looks at them as foolishly risky, but they aren't if you handle them in the right way. make a chassis with plenty of slots, layer on redundant integrated defenses so that energy weapons have to get past 3 single slot EDBGs and two grav shields and vgw own grav shield to land a hit.
fill it with three squads of a dozen each armed with heavy weapons, and you now have highly mobile, well defended weapon platform which brings 36 heavy weapons to whatever corner of the battle field it reaches, or simply needle & plasma rifles, either way it can be a sort of guerilla cavalry unit that flies around reinforcing other unit's or overwhelming stubborn heavy infantry or lighter armored vehicles with volume of fire. you could even use the unfilled attach slots of two of the squads to get it some jetbike escorts.
fill it with three squads of a dozen each armed with heavy weapons, and you now have highly mobile, well defended weapon platform which brings 36 heavy weapons to whatever corner of the battle field it reaches, or simply needle & plasma rifles, either way it can be a sort of guerilla cavalry unit that flies around reinforcing other unit's or overwhelming stubborn heavy infantry or lighter armored vehicles with volume of fire. you could even use the unfilled attach slots of two of the squads to get it some jetbike escorts.
I actually designed a Vehicle to vote for that was like that! It could either carry 88 Troops or a SuperHeavy Weapon
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Exactly.
We arent the Roman Empire and our Centurions do not need to march around in formation.
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Don't forget that there are ways to "functionally" expand available AP through automation/infrastructure, as well. There's plenty of things that you have to do manually at the moment that can have (eventual) infrastructure doing them automatically, which de facto extends your available Action Points.
the eight man squads just have two Falchions. you can attach more than one thing to a Squad, after all.
But yes, generally speaking when you designate something as going in a specific org space, it goes in that space unless you spend an action to change that. This being said, there's nothing preventing you from making two similar designs with somewhat different weapons arrangements on the same chassis to go in different slots.
To use a Leman Russ example, you might say that the Conqueror is a Fast Attack, the Vanquisher is a Heavy Support, an Incinerator is a Special Unit, and an Executioner is an Elite---they're all "the same" tank, but in different roles befitting their different weapons.
edit: And yes, you can choose to organize vehicles into squads, when you get to organizational actions, and have them either deployed always as squads, always as singletons, or something in between if you want.
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Max squad size (15) is the same for everything ?
And then there was the meme detachment of everything filled out with squads of 15 super heavy tanks leaving out the special slot for 270 super heavy tanks in a single detachment.
Followed by a meme warhost made up of 4 of these detachments for 1080 super heavy tanks in a single warhost.
Not sure when we would ever want to deploy something like that apart for maybe the battle/war when we (try to) free Isha.
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I think Doomstacks are a Necron-only feature.
Necrons: "They managed to damage one of our tanks to the point where it automatically teleported back to the base for auto-repair. Impressive. Adapting defences and phasing in tank number two."
Fun fact: Necron tank-stacks are typically five thousand tanks 'deep'.
Edit: Ah, Civ 3. I was too young to understand your mechanics. Why do these spearmen keep surviving my literal mechanised infantry!?
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We can keep the Warhost names for that. The fist of Vau Vulkesh.
Right, it's important to remember that different loadouts of the same chassis are for the purposes of org chart different units and can go into different slots in detachments.
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What's a Doomstack in this context? I know what it is in Total Warhammer, but I'm not sure why it's specifically applicable to the Necrons and not others.
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Oh, sorry. That was a terribly formulated joke on my part. I'm a bit tipsy and didn't consider that other people can't read my mind.
Doomstack = Old Civ 3 term for 'Stack of combat units all on one tile', as in 20+ or 40+ units.
Necrons: Super high-tech. The most advanced of high-tech, when it comes to material physics. So in this joke they are the ones who figured out how to have multiple objects exist within the same space at the same time. So when you manage to destroy a Necron tank (or disable it to the point where it teleports away for repair), my thinking was that there's a couple thousand more kinda... waiting in alternate dimensions ready to phase in.
"Good job destroying this one tank. Now do it five thousand times."
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Except that depling 5 monoliths simultaneously would probably be more devastating to enemy morale (and numbers) than a single tank that just won't die. (let alone 5000)
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From the perspective of the attacker, it'd just appear to be "kill tank, suddenly tank is fully repaired".
I fully agree with your post, btw.
I just read the post about deathblobs in RTSs and my mind flashed back to Civ 3, and then I thought 'Necrons could probably make doomstacks/deathblobs'
when Emps decides to try and wipe us out for giving him other options then
Oh, certainly, in one of the other posts in that chain I speculated about training academies.
I'd expect that if we ever build Aspect Shrines if some rare people decide to be warrior monks for a while they'd count as the Warrior equivalent of foundries for those, presumably elite, units.
And presumably the basic Leman Russ is a Troop as far as Imperial Guard Armoured regiments are concerned.
I wonder how big tank squads can get before they become too unwieldy to command.
The Imperial Guard and canon Eldar use squadrons of three, but I don't see why we couldn't vary this.
It would mean that we'd have some very expensive detachments though….
One armoured detachment would presumably usually be accompanied by several Mechanised Infantry ones if we did this.
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Also, it's 40K, so doing that is basically asking to be a throwaway paragraph in an Army Book about how the dreaded Doomstack threatened to scour the human presence in the Subsector of Sidmere away until a brave Space Marine (Librarian/Techmarine) sacrificed himself to destroy the dimensional stacking effect, collapsing the vehicles it contained into a single mass. The resultant titanic explosion would destroy the Hive the battle was fought over, the 10 regiments of Imperial Guard and a convent of Sisters that were defending it, and an Avatar of Khaine that just happened to be in the area.
Roughly equal odds it happened in a Marine, Sisters or Eldar book, edging somewhat towards Eldar.
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I think he meant less "training academies to get us officers without having to spend WAP on them" and more "now that you have officers for your armies, your Minister for Defence isn't stuck spending half his time doing his part-time job as General."
Edit: Nope, I'm just tired and misreading.
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One small quibble, if it was a named space marine librarian, and a 50% chance even if it wasn't, the marine would get to walk away without looking back at the explosion.
Somehow.
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Hah, I was going to put something like "Also, even odds the Space Marine who sacrificed themself didn't actually die" in smaller text down the bottom, but forgot halfway through the post.
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I don't believe so. Building automatic infrastructure to automate production doesn't add to WAP.
It means we don't need to spend WAP on something that happens automatically. It doesn't though, give us generic WAP we can spend freely on any warrior action.
It sounds like it's to Warrior actions what Foundries are to Bonesinger ones, not what Enhance Industry is.
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It's all about industry. An eldar warrior is essentially a free (in ep terms) ultralight walker platform with a single melee or ranged or heavy weapon slot. They can be enhanced by armor and shields for ep costs. E.g. a regular trooper for us would cost 6 EP for a ranged slot, and wouldn't be that fast or well-protected. If we include a dedicated transport, it's closer to 15 EP per slot.
Fata Morgana probably costs about 8 EP per ranged slot equivalent, and is pretty tanky. I think by going a bit lighter on chassis and lower on protection (still a lot more sturdy than a medium infantry) we can get that to 7-ish. It's not an industrially impossible idea to field a mostly-tank force and only keep infantry for urban ops and (counter)aboradges.
NB heavy power armor changes that dynamic by providing more weapon slots and ability to shoot heavy armor on the go. By going default HPA+Heavy weapon+extra weapon we get a light walker with about 2 EP cost of slot, or around 5 EP per slot including transport. I don't think we can get a decent vehicle that cheap.
Fata Morgana probably costs about 8 EP per ranged slot equivalent, and is pretty tanky. I think by going a bit lighter on chassis and lower on protection (still a lot more sturdy than a medium infantry) we can get that to 7-ish. It's not an industrially impossible idea to field a mostly-tank force and only keep infantry for urban ops and (counter)aboradges.
NB heavy power armor changes that dynamic by providing more weapon slots and ability to shoot heavy armor on the go. By going default HPA+Heavy weapon+extra weapon we get a light walker with about 2 EP cost of slot, or around 5 EP per slot including transport. I don't think we can get a decent vehicle that cheap.
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