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she is capable of separating a mass of plant matter as an Aeldari shaped vessel which she can function as a person with.
A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
she is capable of separating a mass of plant matter as an Aeldari shaped vessel which she can function as a person with.
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Would i be correct in saying that she would strongly disapprove of her worshippers cultivating populations for harvest?
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
How much later did the OG timeline Eldar figure out she was alive? And how does getting that double word score so much earlier affect her?
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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So if we hadn't discovered the curses when we did, the Ishari wouldn't have had any clue that Isha was still alive either?
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Confirmed Extremely Screwed
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- Absconding with Alacrity
Pretty much. the Ishari are bound to the biosphere as a whole and will 'snap back' if there's not enough of it around, but they can make construct-bodies to walk around in... and fight with, too.
Fighting them on their own turf would be like trying to fight EGO, THE LIVING PLANET, only worse, because you're fighting a small army of intelligent foes rather than the autonomous 'immune system' of a planet-sized life-form.
Oh, and if they touch your bare flesh they can do all sorts of horrible warcrimesy biokinesis stuff to you. Have fun when touching literally any plant counts, because they are the plants.
Never.
the answer is Never.
one group of Farseers found out, didn't tell anybody, and tried to just... rescue her themselves.
without support.
those guys ended up as Horrible Screaming Trees because obviously they couldn't sneak well enough to get Isha out while having to literally walk right past Nurgle's prime avatar and thus the knowledge never got disseminated.
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- Canada
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I had little expectations yet I was still disappointed. Are we sure Nurgle's curse was a push to stagnation rather than a straight Intelligence and Wisdom debuff?
See this? This is why My respect for Farseers starts at a negative number.
this is why we made this a racial goal, this is why we made sure that even if the chaos gods decided to spike vau-vulkesh, The knowledge would live on.
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Stagnation, in other words, procastination.
"Should we tell the rest of them about Isha?"
"Ehh...I'll do it tommorow"
"You said that yesterday"
"Tommorow for sure!"
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Well that's just full blown grimdumb writing right there.
I don't suppose the writer threw in some sort of fig-leaf of the farseers all getting brain damaged/fully mind controlled by whatever method they used to find out?
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
God.
And Isha had to probably listen to them scream for all eternity. Surprise dear, I got you a present. It's some lovely trees, right outside your windows. By the way it's your children and they are screaming in torment for all eternity.
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If Tzeentch's curse were a thing, they might have seen the demonic incursion upon the reveal destroying their craftworld.
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Wow, this right here has just finally convinced me that all the inhabitants of Warhammer-verse should be given a special Darwin Award.
And I have just started getting into the lore this year.
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Confirmed Extremely Screwed
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- Absconding with Alacrity
Arrogance is a helluva drug, essentially. They thought they could be Sneeki Breeki ninja elves and get in and out without notice, because that had worked on everything else, and didn't stop to think "hey, maybe a literal god might be harder to sneak past than some Hapless Guardsmen Tee Emm."
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no, that was Kaeros curse + Aeldari Arrogance. he's the one who would be manipulating what they see and guiding them to the worse conclusion. Nurgle just makes them comfortable in the notion that this is entirely on their shoulders because this sort of independent action without the backing of major worlds or political figures is just traditional farseer approach, which is Good Enough for this one of a kind situation.
This may be a question that's too contingent to answer categorically, depending on the situation she and the worshippers were in, and what/who was being farmed.
The answer may well be completely different if they were to cultivate Eldar or Orks, to take two extreme examples.
Given that this is Warhammer, Isha's orgin as an engineered weapon system, and what Cegorach has some of his agents doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Isha was willing to do pretty much anything that would help her and her children survive.
She's not the god of being a good person, despite some fanon pushing in that direction, she's the god of nature and the harvest. Harvest has some particular implications when you're talking about a species and pantheon literally built for war, given that the Old Ones presumably engineered in the Eldar's capability to eat people's souls and emotions deliberately to make them better soldiers, as they could power up and heal themselves by eating their enemies and any emotions they inspired in either enemies or allies.
Thinking about it, in this setting, where some of the Eldar's original capabilities are actually granted blessings from their gods, I wonder if there's a connection between the Eldar being able to harvest and eat souls and emotions and their Goddess of the Harvest still being alive.
It's quite a powerful inherent supernatural ability, one that not only allows them to power up but also to regenerate from even critical injuries and age as well as super-charge their physical abilities.
If Isha is linked to biomancy that would all make sense. The Dark Eldar would just be pushing their still extant Blessing from Isha to the max, which is why they can do all this without actively drawing on the Warp to fuel a psyker power, indeed when suppressing their psyker talent. Isha's Blessing would be the explanation, allowing them to both harvest the energy and use it to strengthen their living bodies. Notably Craftworld also can access a blessing of Isha that lets them regenerate, although they can no longer do so independently, they need the assistance of a specialist healer to trigger it. That may be part of the same blessing here.
Or maybe not. Just thought that might be an interesting possibility.
If it's true it might make evangelism of Isha worship to the Webway Eldar easier, if we can explain this to them, and say that they are benefiting from her continued existence, and that strengthening her with their worship may directly pay off for them.
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Reading the wiki and it seems it was more of a legend of a specific Craftworld and that group of Farseers astral project into the Garden to determine the truth of it. So...I really don't know if you can blame them on this since they did not know if Isha was alive or not.
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Frankly my first thought for them is to basicaly become Tyranids before Tyranids come.
A ship sized living vessels. Or maybe even mobile living ecostystems the size of craftworlds.
If Tyranids can pull such why cant they with some research?
And as with tyranids we know biology in WH40k can do some crazy shit, especialy when backed by skilled biokinetics to shape/support modifications.
Nevermind using living bio'tech' to not only copy stuff like bioplasma reactors/weapons but shaping biology to work like factories and assemble metal weapons/shields/other systems to then graft unto their stuff like cybernetics.
Hell even if they themselfs cant no longer make wraithbone (for now maybe?) they could get other made such and then graft them to their bodies.
TheParadigm
Stupid Newbie
Turns out the Curse of Nurge was lazyness - and it did in fact work.
The other issue that they may have had is that they were, well Farseers. They were stuck on the Path of the Seer, having suppressed the other aspects of their personality.
Like Exarchs probably get fixated on war as the solution to all problems, presumably Farseers get fixated in a same way, but in relation to using divination/control of informaiton. Hence why they would be prone to projecting themselves into Nurgle's realm to investigate rather than talking to people. They weren't on the Path of the Diplomat or the Path of of Stateman, so they may even have been near incapable of making another decision. They were Farseers, and that strengthened law of the instrument meant that only tool they could bring themselves to use was Farseeing, so that's what they did.
Now I may be exaggerating the mental effects of being stuck on a Path here, but the Craftworld Eldar apparently think it's a terrible thing to happen to someone, and this kind of thing may be why.
Of course, that does mean that putting councils of people with those blinkers in charge of your society where groupthink can compound the problem is a pretty terrible idea, rather than them being advisors to groups of people on but not stuck on complementary Paths who can take account of the Farseers' super-charged déformation professionnelle.
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Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
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I gotta disagree that it's arrogance. There's thinking you can easily sneak past a human Imperial Guardsman and there's thinking you can sneak past the prime avatar of the Plaugefather himself, without him noticing you.
That's not arrogance, that's pointless suicidal stupidity for the sake of 40K Grimdark that I feel doesn't work in this case. Because you'd think that these Farseers would simply think to tell someone instead of charging into a Chaos God's Realm without doing that.
Unless Nurgle let the Farseers see Isha on purpose so he could trick them into coming into his realm and turn them into screaming trees, I blame GW.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
The Space Elfs get dunked on every time by the Lore, even when they win, there's always Some Bullshit from out of left field to taint the victory. (Like how it's impossible to achieve the Ynnari's wincon now because one of the Croneswords got raptured directly into Slaanesh's throne)
The amount of Ls they keep taking sort of suggests they should be long dead by now, especially since they never learn, but there's always more Space Elfs to die meaninglessly fighting over pointless battles because some wizard said it had to be done.
The amount of Ls they keep taking sort of suggests they should be long dead by now, especially since they never learn, but there's always more Space Elfs to die meaninglessly fighting over pointless battles because some wizard said it had to be done.
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I agree that those idiots were stupid, but I need to point out that canon Isha kept going and helping for 10 thousand fucking years with almost no faith, and that is straight-up (ever)queen behaviour.
Can I take the opportunity to highlight the example of the Genestealer infested Avatar of Khaine?!
(Although, to be fair, it's slightly less stupid in context, and the general concept could perhaps be reworked to something interesting. However, as presented...)
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Or they found out about the final booby trap, and decided it wasn't worth trashing a Craftworld to spread the word.
Which is still stupid, but risk aversion stupid instead of pants-on-head.