Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

@TotallyNotEvil

I am changing my vote in order to do some tactical voting here. I don't like Plan "Last Stop Before Breakthrough" for a couple of reasons. I disagree with the second Cai minor at this time, I feel that the Second cultivation of AE is not needed as one will most likely get us AE 3 and so doing AC would be better for the possible rehabilitation action.

I also want to get through at least Green this week, putting it off doesn't seem like something we want to do. The plan that is closest to winning that achieves those is "Plan Breakthrough Start!"

You might want to change your vote to vote for the plan that you desire.

As such, changing my vote to

[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
 
Or it's a deliberate decision by yrsillar. Best resources but less interesting.

Highly unlikely. There's no point to make the quest actively boring to 'punish' the voters for choosing an option with high reward, it makes the overall narrative shittier for no reason.

yrsillar might have the high reward option filled with more risk (or tougher challenges to match the new resources available) but actively making the quest less interesting might as well be a self-own.
 
Huh.

Just realized something

The book cave may have been Renshus true home base, given the Spirit beast and mirrors and other stock piles of loot n shit
 
Highly unlikely. There's no point to make the quest actively boring to 'punish' the voters for choosing an option with high reward, it makes the overall narrative shittier for no reason.

By less interesting I meant CRX not the narrative. Her character itself may be dull but I doubt doing heists for her when we visit the capital will be.
 
So for something that cost 300RSS+ (140+ 1 Grade 3 Core), this is fairly underwhelming. I guess that Larceny Increase is meant to be really hard
While I agree that they are underwhelming, it's not as bad as it first appears, at least from a cost perspective.

There are 4 sets of tools, that are plural, which means at least 8 tools that were given to us. That means from a cost perspective, it is about 37-38 RSS per tool that we got, if we use the guideline that we spent 300 RSS on it.

Otherwise, it is 17-18 RSS per tool, with an 1/8 of a Grade 3 Core per tool, at the very most. Each tool then gives +3 dice to larceny, and in that vein, the cost isn't terrible.

Moving on to what these tools can do, it pretty much gives us a +3 to all larceny actions other than pickpocketing (where we already have a speciality). The etching tools are for Formations, the lockpicks are for locks, the brushes are to clear a patch of wall to clearly see the formations, and I honestly have no clue what the wire is for.

Since they are tools, we can still equip a talisman to help with larceny while still using the tools (it would just cost more), which means we can get more successes for larceny should we want to. I'm not sure about the 1 dice bonus to avoiding the penalties of a failed attempt, but it might be useful if it procs the roll since we haven't seen that occur yet. Or it could be essentially useless, but we'll see how it goes.

Edit: Clarification. The +3 to larceny bonuses don't stack. It's not going to be 24 bonus dice to successes. But at the very least, every situation I can conceive of will have a tool that gives a +3 to the success chance (other than pickpocketing.)
 
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[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!

I don't see my vote being counted right, so going with the plan that's second.

I have to say though, I'm VERY surprised there isn't any plan that tries to track down Yan Renshu.
 
Hmm, I feel like being invited by Zeqing to her home is a fairly significant thing. If higher level spirits have their own domain outside of the physical realm, being allowed there would be quite exceptional. Also we're on the verge of breaking through, I don't think she would invite us just to have a cup of tea.

And then there's also Cai. While I don't think she's of the sort to knock on our door as soon as we've reached green and it would likely be no problem to delay our answer for a week or two of further interaction, doing it before our breakthrough does offer some advantages though. If we feel sufficiently convinced after our conversation we can enter closed door with a clear mind of what we're going to do once we reach full third realm, and we don't risk coming across as someone who dallies when it comes to their important choices in life.
I feel like breaking through now is leaving the situation somewhat hanging, and having some kind of consensus on what we're going to vote for before starting our breakthrough extravaganza seems desirable. A conversation with Cai on her ambitions and how we fit in them seems like the perfect minor to round off our chain of interactions with her, and have us be sufficiently informed to reach said consensus.

Therefore,
[X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
 
@yrsillar Did you see this btw yrs? We should be maxed in manip and archery with them.
@yrsillar I would like to place my two omake points from "The Shifty Looking Boulder" into Manipulation.
@yrsillar can I put the two points from the Combat Spec threadmark into Manipulation?
@yrsillar I would like to put 3 points into Archery and 3 into Manipulation please. Using up all my points from Cute Grinning Moon, Cat Qi, and Cat Qi 2
 
@yrsillar - I have a weird question for you. We got 25 bonus successes to AE from stealth this week. In Yan Renshu raid, part 1 we had a stealth roll that had 17 successes. There were no other stealth/larceny tests shown this week.

Now we probably had other stealth roll(s) during Yan Renshu raid, part 2 from the text, although we didn't see any rolls. This would explain why we got more than 17 successes towards AE. But it is VERY unlikely we'd only get 8 successes on a stealth roll-that's literally our autosuccrsses for stealth during the night. My best guess is that you forgot EPC's bonuses are caped at 30 these days rather than 25, but it's possible I'm getting something wrong. Just wanted to check in any case.
 
Hmm, I feel like being invited by Zeqing to her home is a fairly significant thing. If higher level spirits have their own domain outside of the physical realm, being allowed there would be quite exceptional. Also we're on the verge of breaking through, I don't think she would invite us just to have a cup of tea.

And then there's also Cai. While I don't think she's of the sort to knock on our door as soon as we've reached green and it would likely be no problem to delay our answer for a week or two of further interaction, doing it before our breakthrough does offer some advantages though. If we feel sufficiently convinced after our conversation we can enter closed door with a clear mind of what we're going to do once we reach full third realm, and we don't risk coming across as someone who dallies when it comes to their important choices in life.
I feel like breaking through now is leaving the situation somewhat hanging, and having some kind of consensus on what we're going to vote for before starting our breakthrough extravaganza seems desirable. A conversation with Cai on her ambitions and how we fit in them seems like the perfect minor to round off our chain of interactions with her, and have us be sufficiently informed to reach said consensus.

Therefore,
[] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
The consensus about CRX has already been reached for the playerbase though, and for Ling Qi seeing her won't really create a 'consensus' I think. Especially as the minor is about CRX herself, not really Ling Qi.

If anything, seeing Gu Tai to politely reject him is more likely to make such consensus.
 
Now we probably had other stealth roll(s) during Yan Renshu raid, part 2 from the text, although we didn't see any rolls. This would explain why we got more than 17 successes towards AE. But it is VERY unlikely we'd only get 8 successes on a stealth roll-that's literally our autosuccrsses for stealth during the night. My best guess is that you forgot EPC's bonuses are caped at 30 these days rather than 25, but it's possible I'm getting something wrong. Just wanted to check in any case.
We used One with Shadow when we shot YR from his own shadow, and it proc a Stealth roll:
One with Shadow: ooo
Cost 10 qi
The user merges with shadow and dark, dematerializing entirely to slip from shadow to shadow. The user gains a three die bonus to stealth in this form and may move from one shadow to another without interacting with any intervening terrain or obstacles. While in this form the user gains one point of perfect defense, but being damaged ends the technique. Distance between shadows must be less than the user's movement speed, and must be cast be at least roughly the size of an average human. If the shadow in question belongs to an animate target, the user must succeed on a clash to use it. On success, the target suffers a two die penalty on perception checks to notice the user. On failure the user is revealed. The user receives an additional five die bonus to their first attack against the target, this stacks with passive bonuses. Lasts four turns.

My guess is that even though we had 26 Stealth + 2 autos, we only got 8 successes because of horrible rolls and the autos from cultivation level are not 'counted' for those clashes.

I also think we should have had a stealth test for entry in the base, but whatever.
 
The consensus about CRX has already been reached for the playerbase though, and for Ling Qi seeing her won't really create a 'consensus' I think. Especially as the minor is about CRX herself, not really Ling Qi.

If anything, seeing Gu Tai to politely reject him is more likely to make such consensus.

There does seem to be a few people who still want to pursue the Gu Tai option though? And I think some also spoke out in favour of wanting to stay with the sect for now and delay any decision? There might be a majority, but I don't think there's consensus to go with Cai's offer? Might just be my perception though.
 
and I honestly have no clue what the wire is for.
Door latches
Adhoc vote count started by TehChron on Jan 11, 2018 at 11:57 AM, finished with 443 posts and 80 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
    -[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green x2, if first fails, do Bronze instead)
    -[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your Own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation x2)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
    -[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth, 3RSS, 1YSS
    -[x] Purchase and Use: Steady Growth Pill + Sturdy Oak Pill + Bear Marrow Elixir + Soul Concentrating Elixir (38RSS)
    -[x] Other Purchases: replace the Escape Talisman and anti-scry Talisman we used
    -[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through Green. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Green due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Bronze.
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
    -[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual / Physical, as needed to recover if we fail a breakthrough attempt. Cultivate Spiritual if we succeed in all breakthrough attempts.
    --[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    --[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    [X] Plan Our Friends Will Understand if We're Busy
    -[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth
    -[x] Purchase and Use if cultivating : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS). Total: 37 RSS
    -[x] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS). Total: + 20 RSS
    -[x] if cultivating physical: White Hart Elixir (6RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS). Total: +20 RSS
    -[x] Enter Closed Door Cultivation
    -[x]breakthrough to spiritual until you need to cultivate spiritual a second time, then breakthrough to physical
    -[x]If cultivating either spiritual or physical back up to peak, cultivate at the vent with Su Ling
    --[x] (attached minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don;t know about each other
    --[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    [X] Plan: Give the dude a chance
    -[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: Your feelings regarding Gu Tai are... conflicted, maybe you should speak with him a bit. You know where he is staying.
    [X] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    [X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week
    -[X] Expenses: 2 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 431 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [X] Plan: Friendship takes effort
    -[X] Expenses: 2 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), = 81 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    [X] Major: Attempt to placate the Dragon of the Valley
    --[X] Meizhen has done a lot for you, tell her about the Dragon and the Valley, let her do as she wants with it.
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[X] Look in on Su Ling and the Ma Sisters, see how they're getting alone
    [X] Plan Blockade, Barriers, Breakthrough
    -[X] Resources
    --[X] Used: Milk of Mother Earth; Blood of Father Sky; 3 RSS; 1 YSS
    --[X] Bought and Used: 1st level Earth and Fire pills (4 RSS); Gushing Spring Pill (2 RSS); Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS); 2nd Level Earth and Fire Pills (12 RSS); Steady Growth Pill (8 RSS); Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS)
    --[X] Total: Milk of Mother Earth; Blood of Father Sky; 1 YSS; 53 RSS
    --[X] EPC Successes: Abyssal Exhalation
    -[X] Majors
    --[X] Attempt Breakthrough
    ---[X] Green
    --[X] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    --[X] Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    --[X] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    --[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    ---[X] Argent Current
    ---[X] Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him.
    --[X] Cultivate on your own
    ---[X] Abyssal Exhalation
    ---[X] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[X] Minors
    [X] Plan: The power of Metal compel you
    -[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Do a sect mission
    --[X] Wolves
    -[X] Major: Get a third floor art
    --[X] Musical art that use the metal element
    -[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
    -[X] Major: Abyssal Exhalation
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
 
By less interesting I meant CRX not the narrative. Her character itself may be dull but I doubt doing heists for her when we visit the capital will be.

But if the character herself is boring it will bring down the surrounding narrative, there is no point to make the quest less interesting by having dull characters take center stage because of external mechanical reasons. There is no reason to actively write boring characters unless you deliberately aim for 'Naked Came the Stranger' shenanigans.
 
Yrs, what do we need to do to determine what the consumables from Renshu's base are?

I'll addthem in the next updoot

@yrsillar - I have a weird question for you. We got 25 bonus successes to AE from stealth this week. In Yan Renshu raid, part 1 we had a stealth roll that had 17 successes. There were no other stealth/larceny tests shown this week.

Now we probably had other stealth roll(s) during Yan Renshu raid, part 2 from the text, although we didn't see any rolls. This would explain why we got more than 17 successes towards AE. But it is VERY unlikely we'd only get 8 successes on a stealth roll-that's literally our autosuccrsses for stealth during the night. My best guess is that you forgot EPC's bonuses are caped at 30 these days rather than 25, but it's possible I'm getting something wrong. Just wanted to check in any case.

I forgot the cap change honestly
 
@PrimalShadow Mind updating the pill use?:
-[] Purchase and Use : 3RSS, 1YSS, Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS). Total: 37 RSS
-[] If cultivating spiritual: Flowing River Pills (6RSS), Soaring Spirits Pill (6RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS). Total: + 20 RSS
-[] if cultivating physical: White Hart Elixir (6RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS). Total: +20 RSS
Your pill use doesn't include the secondary pills, and also has the physical ones even if we cultivate only spiritual, etc.
 
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