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The reason we haven't gotten to know Gu Tai better is mostly because of action economy. I mean we're spread so thin socially that we're doing wasteful major actions in order to fit in more minors.

I also don't see why one last Cai minor is so vital. At this point, even assuming that there's no way to delay our decision whether to accept her offer upon hitting Green, I highly doubt that last action will give us enough actionable information to change anyone's mind.

jacobk said:
I was thinking something like this might be a little cleaner:

[] 6 x breakthrough: spiritual
-- If breakthrough: spiritual is unavailable, then breakthrough:physical.
-- If no breakthrough is possible, cultivate whichever of spiritual or physical is closer to peak.

Kind of hard to leave the Zeqing and Meizhen minors both on the table, though.
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Thanks, that is cleaner, I'll change it. Even if it probably won't make a difference.

Edit: Meizhen will still be there next week and Zeqing will be there in two weeks. Or maybe even next week-I forget exactly how her schedule works.
 
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Yeangst said:
I also don't see why one last Cai minor is so vital. At this point, even assuming that there's no way to delay our decision whether to accept her offer upon hitting Green, I highly doubt that last action will give us enough actionable information to change anyone's mind.
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That's not really the issue. I want the Cai minor so we can take advantage of our current status to shape our future relationship. I want to get a more personal relationship with her before we become her minion.

But yeah, it's not necessarily vital.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Yes we can.

Four breakthrough actions means that one cultivation action by cannot be wasted, either we've broken through into Green or we've failed (drug reroll) and failed again. We can attach to that cultivation action and take three more minors, which clears up our minor action docket fine. Plus yrsillar approved a double attach. So we can still do 5 minors, and that gets us Meizhen, Zeqing, Cai Council, and two more on the side besides. That's basically what a 5-action breakthrough would look like anyway.
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Narratively speaking, I just kind of prefer the idea of getting half our remaining business settled now since Yrsillar dumped so much on our collective plate at once. We're gonna be starved for settling on our build post-breakthrough, and i'd rather have as little unfinished business going into Third Realm as possible so that we can double down on personal advancement rather than gunning for narrative cues in hopes of getting Good Fortune as a result.
Adhoc vote count started by TehChron on Jan 11, 2018 at 12:35 AM, finished with 280 posts and 39 votes.
  • [x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!
    -[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth, 3RSS, 1YSS
    -[x] Purchase and Use: Steady Growth Pill + Sturdy Oak Pill + Bear Marrow Elixir + Soul Concentrating Elixir (38RSS)
    -[x] Other Purchases: replace the Escape Talisman and anti-scry Talisman we used
    -[x] Breakthrough Priorities: Prioritize breaking through Green. In case of failure, wait until we've tried to recover; then continue. In case we can't proceed further towards Green due to either failure or success, start breaking through towards Bronze.
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x2
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x3
    -[x] (MAJOR) Attempt Breakthrough x4
    -[x] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[x] (MAJOR) Cultivate Spiritual / Physical, as needed to recover if we fail a breakthrough attempt. Cultivate Spiritual if we succeed in all breakthrough attempts.
    --[x] (attached minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    --[x] (attached minor) Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[x] (minor) Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    [X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
    -[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green x2, if first fails, do Bronze instead)
    -[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [X] Plan: Give the dude a chance
    -[X] Expenses: 3 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 441 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] How Many(3), but be willing to stop if the reroll is used too soon.
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: Your feelings regarding Gu Tai are... conflicted, maybe you should speak with him a bit. You know where he is staying.
    [X] Plan Blockade, Barriers, Breakthrough
    -[X] Resources
    --[X] Used: Milk of Mother Earth; Blood of Father Sky; 3 RSS; 1 YSS
    --[X] Bought and Used: 1st level Earth and Fire pills (4 RSS); Gushing Spring Pill (2 RSS); Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS); 2nd Level Earth and Fire Pills (12 RSS); Steady Growth Pill (8 RSS); Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS)
    --[X] Total: Milk of Mother Earth; Blood of Father Sky; 1 YSS; 53 RSS
    --[X] EPC Successes: Abyssal Exhalation
    -[X] Majors
    --[X] Attempt Breakthrough
    ---[X] Green
    --[X] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    --[X] Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    --[X] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    --[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    ---[X] Argent Current
    ---[X] Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him.
    --[X] Cultivate on your own
    ---[X] Abyssal Exhalation
    ---[X] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[X] Minors
    [X] Plan Our Friends Will Understand if We're Busy
    -[x] Use from Inventory: Blood of Father Sky, Milk of Mother Earth, 3RSS, 1YSS
    -[x] Purchase and Use: Steady Growth Pill + Sturdy Oak Pill + Bear Marrow Elixir + Soul Concentrating Elixir (38RSS)
    -[X] Enter Closed Door Cultivation
    -[X] Majors: 6 x breakthrough: spiritual
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    [X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week
    -[X] Expenses: 2 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), Soaring Charm (300 RSS), Blinding Fate Charm (50 RSS): Total Cost: 431 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    -[X] Major: Cull the Black Soil Worm Population
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zhengui is up and around again and didn't get to do much on the raid. Go hunting with him
    -[x] (minor) Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [X] Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    [X] Plan: Friendship takes effort
    -[X] Expenses: 2 YSS, 3 RSS, First Level Earth/Water/Fire Pills, (6 RSS), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RSS), Steady Growth Pill (6 RSS) Sturdy Oak Pill (18 RSS), Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10 RSS), Bear's Marrow Elixir (4 RSS), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 RSS), = 81 RSS
    -[X] EPC Bonuses: Abyssal Exhalation, Argent Vent Bonus: Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Green)
    -[X] Major: Attempt Breakthrough (Bronze)
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Argent Current)
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your own (Recovery from possible Failed Breakthrough, Else, Abyssal Exhalation)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Zeqing has been quite busy, but you received a message inviting you to meet her... at her home?
    [X] Major: Attempt to placate the Dragon of the Valley
    --[X] Meizhen has done a lot for you, tell her about the Dragon and the Valley, let her do as she wants with it.
    -[x] (minor) Meizhen is right... the two of you should probably talk, it seems there is still a lot you don't know about each other
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has something important to announce. It seems you will need to attend a council meeting
    -[X] Look in on Su Ling and the Ma Sisters, see how they're getting alone
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If Cai is going to call us on things the moment we're Green and force a decision then I'll lose a little respect for her. We should have more than enough time to take the Cai minor after breakthrough or in the second week of it.

TehChron said:
Narratively speaking, I just kind of prefer the idea of getting half our remaining business settled now since Yrsillar dumped so much on our collective plate at once. We're gonna be starved for settling on our build post-breakthrough, and i'd rather have as little unfinished business going into Third Realm as possible so that we can double down on personal advancement rather than gunning for narrative cues in hopes of getting Good Fortune as a result.
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The more time we have post-breakthrough to settle our build, the better. Trying to get our "remaining business" settled now is just going to throw half a week or more down the drain. That's half a week we could be using to settle our build. Your plan is actively counterproductive to that goal.

The moment we know what Green Appraisal and Early Green Arts look like, we can start planning. That's the next step, not delaying another half week worth of cruft.
 
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Yeangst said:
The GM is not above some subtle trolling. What maes you think that next week won't come with a whole new set of seemingly unskippable minors?
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Then I vote we kill all our friends to free ourselves from attachment and achieve enlightenment.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
If Cai is going to call us on things the moment we're Green and force a decision then I'll lose a little respect for her. We should have more than enough time to take the Cai minor after breakthrough or in the second week of it.
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uhhhh
It's one thing for us to not talk with her because we're busy and avoid making a decision for a week. It's quite another for us to try to hang out with her and not have it come up, given that that is exactly what we'll be talking about with her once we've broken through and we know it.

Like, I'm pretty sure that we won't have this minor available once we've broken through until we swear to her.
Yeangst said:
Edit: Meizhen will still be there next week and Zeqing will be there in two weeks. Or maybe even next week-I forget exactly how her schedule works.
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This one's different. She wasn't available last week when we'd normally meet her, and now she's inviting us to her house. Different context from the usual.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
The more time we have post-breakthrough to settle our build, the better. Trying to get our "remaining business" settled now is just going to throw half a week or more down the drain. That's half a week we could be using to settle our build. Your plan is actively counterproductive to that goal.

The moment we know what Green Appraisal and Early Green Arts look like, we can start planning. That's the next step, not delaying another half week worth of cruft.
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Except we have at least three possible routes to options we still have yet to crack between whatever Zeqing wants with us, whatever is inside the Music Box, and whether or not we'd get something extra for going for all three targets when repaying the favor. Like, i'll certainly grant that you have a point about the five minors being a thing, but I rather badly want those Larceny Successes and whatever we can get from looting those Production Projects.
 
TehChron said:
Except we have at least three possible routes to options we still have yet to crack between whatever Zeqing wants with us, whatever is inside the Music Box, and whether or not we'd get something extra for going for all three targets when repaying the favor. Like, i'll certainly grant that you have a point about the five minors being a thing, but I rather badly want those Larceny Successes and whatever we can get from looting those Production Projects.
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Loot and larceny successes are both going to be better once we've broken through! When we can put EPC to something actually useful instead of arts that are basically incidental to our build. If there's an art inside the music box we won't be able to learn it this week anyway since no one in their right mind is going to delay breakthrough another week. And we'll have a far better idea what kind of gear we'll want after breakthrough when we know how many successes we're going to need for the next levels of everything.

Zeqing is about the only thing I consider crucial, but 4+1 breakthrough is possible with her.

Everything else you've outlined are things that we do not need to do now, and are in fact better off leaving until after breakthrough. They're just setting us behind.


Frankly, not rushing to break through to Green now is how we lose. We need every single week we have until the tournament.
 
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[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!

I'd prefer minors having to do with Gu Tai, but this is the only plan treating the breakthroughs with the weight they deserve.
 
We...

We don't need to all in on breakthrough this week though. It was a prospect, but that was before we got several high importance Minors showing up.

Plus, if we don't do the Fu Xiang quest now, we're probably not going to end up doing it next week either, which'll put it at almost two months since we were asked to do it.
 
[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!

Lets do this.
Time to show up at that silly meeting in full breakthrough, as beautiful and terrible as the dawn and night.
And we will gaze upon the Sun and it will be the one to turn away.
 
tricholysis said:
See, this is what I mean. A bunch of vocal people are already decided even before learning much about the other option and they preemptively and adamantly deny Gu supporters a platform to convince would-be undecideds. Does that seem like a fair vote?
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Accusing the people who don't agree with your preferred course of action of being unfair probably doesn't help convince them to change their minds.
 
Falconis said:
[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!

Lets do this.
Time to show up at that silly meeting in full breakthrough, as beautiful and terrible as the dawn and night.
And we will gaze upon the Sun and it will be the one to turn away.
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Even Breakthrough: start has a zero percent chance of getting a full breakthrough. At best, it'll get Green and then one tag into Bronze.

I might add that doing this means that we're basically finishing the Renxiang pre-Breakthrough minor quest without actually doing the first option where we ask her about her own personal life. Which might cause Problems.
 
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BungieONI said:
@Alectai why are you doing the Black Worm job? What did you want the sect points for?
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2 more Sect Points means that we'll be able to immediately go to the Third Floor when we breakthrough and start poking around there. This means that we can pair a Minor we want to do (Hugging tortsnek buddy after he woke up), with a major that'll save us time later.

I could revise it though to do another Cultivation action though if it'll get me some people to flip. I just want to finish getting our pre-Third Realm quests squared away before we fully break through.
 
Kipeci said:
[x] Plan Breakthrough: Start!

I'd prefer minors having to do with Gu Tai, but this is the only plan treating the breakthroughs with the weight they deserve.
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The actual all in option is:

[X] Plan Our Friends Will Understand if We're Busy

I'm switching over since on second thought we've built up enough social credit to put off heart to hearts for a week, especially if we show up with a breakthrough accomplished.
 
Alectai said:
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We don't need to all in on breakthrough this week though.

Plus, if we don't do the Fu Xiang quest now, we're probably not going to end up doing it next week either, which'll put it at almost two months since we were asked to do it.
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We desperately need the breakthroughs to come in to keep progressing in a meaningful manner. If we run into delays about it as is possible, I'd rather they be earlier than later.

The Fu Xiang one is fine so long as we screw them up before their projects come in, if Ling Qi is a green and/or bronze cultivator then she will be less likely to flub the operation.
 
Alectai said:
I might add that doing this means that we're basically finishing the Renxiang pre-Breakthrough minor quest without actually doing the first option where we ask her about her own personal life. Which might cause Problems.
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It won't cause Problems. It's ridiculous that it would.

Renxiang isn't going to immediately demand an answer. Every single meeting we had with her had her letting us acclimatize and take time to gain our trust. We'll still have time post-breakthrough to both consider what to do and to get to know her. To say any less is kind of insulting to the efforts she's made so far, and if she really forced things (which I don't believe she will) I would lose a lot of respect for her.
 
Kipeci said:
We desperately need the breakthroughs to come in to keep progressing in a meaningful manner. If we run into delays about it as is possible, I'd rather they be earlier than later.

The Fu Xiang one is fine so long as we screw them up before their projects come in, if Ling Qi is a green and/or bronze cultivator then she will be less likely to flub the operation.
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We also lose the potential plausible deniability of pinning it on Renshu recouping his losses though if we drag it out a while later.
 
Kipeci said:
We desperately need the breakthroughs to come in to keep progressing in a meaningful manner. If we run into delays about it as is possible, I'd rather they be earlier than later.

The Fu Xiang one is fine so long as we screw them up before their projects come in, if Ling Qi is a green and/or bronze cultivator then she will be less likely to flub the operation.
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If I was Fu Xiang I'd be a rather unhappy camper when it came to Ling Qi. That's a pretty big thing about it for me, since as far as I can see from here its mostly been put aside/or forgotten if I was less charitable. I don't personally want to put it aside, but I acknowledge there are reasons for putting it aside.

Anyway for the moment I'll throw my hat in with Alectai while I make my own plan.

[X] Plan: Last stop before Breakthrough Week 2.0
 
jacobk said:
The actual all in option is:

[X] Plan Our Friends Will Understand if We're Busy

I'm switching over since on second thought we've built up enough social credit to put off heart to hearts for a week, especially if we show up with a breakthrough accomplished.
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Didn't spy that one, it's a bit down there in votes but I guess the majority of the vote has yet to come in. I'm game.

[X] Plan Our Friends Will Understand if We're Busy
 
Alectai said:
We also lose the potential plausible deniability of pinning it on Renshu recouping his losses though if we drag it out a while later.
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His more publicly regarded base has been crippled for a while now. I don't think a span of a week or two at this point is going to make much of a difference in terms of whether or not it gets pinned on him.
 
Kipeci said:
His more publicly regarded base has been crippled for a while now. I don't think a span of a week or two at this point is going to make much of a difference in terms of whether or not it gets pinned on him.
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Yeah, but he was still operating, his minions and puppets were still all over the place.

After this--even in a worst case scenario, he's going to lie low for a bit, especially since his attempt to fake his death got foiled.
 
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Renxiang isn't going to immediately demand an answer. Every single meeting we had with her had her letting us acclimatize and take time to gain our trust. We'll still have time post-breakthrough to both consider what to do and to get to know her. To say any less is kind of insulting to the efforts she's made so far, and if she really forced things (which I don't believe she will) I would lose a lot of respect for her.
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We have had two months.

Your response to someone bringing up a thing at the time they told us they'd bring it up is that they are being unreasonable? Really?

Falconis said:
Lets do this.
Time to show up at that silly meeting in full breakthrough, as beautiful and terrible as the dawn and night.
And we will gaze upon the Sun and it will be the one to turn away.
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But that plan doesn't do that. It has, at best, 45% odds of getting Green.

Kipeci said:
I'd prefer minors having to do with Gu Tai, but this is the only plan treating the breakthroughs with the weight they deserve.
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Unless you mean "they don't deserve that much weight" I'm not sure how this plan does that. Yeangst's 6 breakthrough plan makes sense if you think breakthrough is really important.
 
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