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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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So, we are going to ignore the talisman we commissioned for doing exactly this, and ignore we are a week or two away from breaking through?

To do that super risky Fu Xiang favor?

What?
 
So I'm a little bit worried about putting our EPC bonuses towards Physical. Why? It's fairly likely that, if we do Fu Xiang's favor, we'll waste 30 successes. This is because:
1) We'll almost certainly get the full bonus this week, we should have multiple stealth and larceny checks this week
2) We almost certainly will hit peak physical before EPC bonuses are counted - EPC bonuses seem to be applied at the end of the week for the most part, and we're extremely likely to get peak physical without it
3) EPC bonuses CANNOT be used for Qi ("User may apply successes on stealth and larceny tests during the week as bonus successes on spiritual, physical, or Yin aligned arts"), and with what we've seen with, say, black pools successes being lost at peak spiritual, I think it's rather likely that these successes won't just overflow to Qi or the like.

I understand why people want the EPC bonus to go towards physical, we don't want there to be any way we aren't ready for breakthrough week 37. But I think the very large potential to lose 30 successes outweighs the tiny chance we don't hit peak physical. We should have our EPC bonus go towards AE.
 
I think we can afford to skip this Zeqing week. we apologized last week and we're working up to break through. I'm sure she'll forgive us... I hope we let her know we won't be coming somehow tho.
 
Can we take a moment to just appreciate FSA5?

That capstone skill is absurd. The between the tech dots and the bonus dice, it gives us +10 to our roll. And then +5 Damage on top of that. Plus +2 to DV, and the ability to ignore obstacles and cover. And all of this costs just 6 Qi.



I mean, FSS isn't necessarily FSA's strongest Nuke; depending on circumstances, Meteoric Shower can do better. But Meteoric Shower gives us a net -1 to our roll (+3 if we spend a bunch of Qi with our armband), and hits only do +1 damage each - and it costs 1 more Qi than FSS besides. Altogether, this gives me the impression that MS works well at shutting down weaker enemies or working when we have a per-hit damage boost, whereas FSS is better at punching up and being less combo-dependent.
 
Yeah, FSS is a devastating backstab attack if we can pull it off.

"You're going to backstab him"

"UH HUH"

"With a ballista? With a fucking Siege weapon?"

"UH HUH!"
 
PrimalShadow said:
Any reason you think of it as a Backstab thing in particular? Or than it just hitting for massive damage?
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Big pile of extra damage, a DV raiser, and a dice adder, which combines with our big dice pool from a backstab attack to likely be able to throw between 9 and 14 damage in a single hit. Even if you can Qi-Block all of that, it's still between a quarter and a third of a Green's Qi pool.

EDIT: Oh hey, the 5 bonus damage is resistant to standard Qi Blocking, so we're looking at 5 health levels and then up to 9 damage worth blocked. That's a devastating combination. And if they have something like TRF, then it becomes up to 34 Qi to completely negate it all--or close to half of your pool from Ling Qi's first move.
 
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Dieb said:
So I'm a little bit worried about putting our EPC bonuses towards Physical. Why? It's fairly likely that, if we do Fu Xiang's favor, we'll waste 30 successes. This is because:
1) We'll almost certainly get the full bonus this week, we should have multiple stealth and larceny checks this week
2) We almost certainly will hit peak physical before EPC bonuses are counted - EPC bonuses seem to be applied at the end of the week for the most part, and we're extremely likely to get peak physical without it
3) EPC bonuses CANNOT be used for Qi ("User may apply successes on stealth and larceny tests during the week as bonus successes on spiritual, physical, or Yin aligned arts"), and with what we've seen with, say, black pools successes being lost at peak spiritual, I think it's rather likely that these successes won't just overflow to Qi or the like.

I understand why people want the EPC bonus to go towards physical, we don't want there to be any way we aren't ready for breakthrough week 37. But I think the very large potential to lose 30 successes outweighs the tiny chance we don't hit peak physical. We should have our EPC bonus go towards AE.
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@PrimalShadow and whomever authored Final Countdown (@Alectai ?), please address this.

And also why the fuck are we doing favors now?
Black Noise said:
Ji Rong has a tech called Oneness Under Heaven as his go-to defensive instant
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First, this is such a protagonist-y skill it's ridiculous.

Second, I'm now pretty damn sure freaking Ji Rong has the fourth argent art.
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Can we take a moment to just appreciate FSA5?
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Nah, needs another seven archery arts so it's worth to shoot anything :rolleyes:

I say we gun it for FSA successor as soon as we break through. Is it on the third floor?

We also really need a top green bow, our burst damage ability makes high DV crucial.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
@PrimalShadow and whomever authored Final Countdown (@Alectai ?), please address this.

And also why the fuck are we doing favors now?
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It's been explained, long story short, concern about the social consequences of waiting until we're green and then punching down against a bunch of yellows. This is our last shot to do it.

As for the chance of wasting dice... To be honest, I'd rather take the chance of wasting EPC successes than the chance of fucking up our chance to breakthrough. We're only doing one Meridian now after all.
 
Alectai said:
It's been explained, long story short, concern about the social consequences of waiting until we're green and then punching down against a bunch of yellows. This is our last shot to do it.
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I don't particularly mind doing his favor now, because according to PrimalShadow we still have to wait 2-3 weeks for our Larceny tool, and the sooner we get the favor out of the way, the sooner we can just straight up ask the info broker where that last damn Argent Art is.

But I still think this argument about social consequences is bupkis, because the whole point of doing this heist properly is to make sure that we're not suspected in the first place, and it's already been pointed out that there are other suspects to take the blame.

Alectai said:
Anyone who actually believes these contests are perfectly fair has not been paying attention. They are absolutely a clusterfuck of sabotage as much as they are getting good yourself.
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TotallyNotEvil said:
I say we gun it for FSA successor as soon as we break through. Is it on the third floor?

We also really need a top green bow, our burst damage ability makes high DV crucial
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Our archery is fine. While we'll probably get anupgrade sometime, we could probably leave it for the rest of the year and it would still be ok.

What we need to upgrade asap is spiritual and music. And maybe stealth if we want to use it in combat (which might be the edge we need). Archery is way down the priority list.
 
Right now, our archery is around 33-35 depending on the shot that we are firing.

Ji Rong, the closest thing we can call an actual peer, a commoner who started at the same time with excellent talent, is about at the same point we are, and he has anywhere from 25-28 physical defense (depending on how much the surprise reduced it).

We will pretty much consistently hit for a good amount of damage every single time we fire a bow at him. And that's not including Encircling wind, first strike, One with Shadow, or any of that.

Even GG, who is planning on being Cai's vassal, only has 27 dice to his attack. Although admittedly that is probably because he focuses more on being a tank. Our archery stat is at an excellent place at the moment.
 
[X] Plan Steady as a Turtle

...maybe.
Why must you people make three plans, all of which have something good that I want? :confused:
 
Also: v. impt: We've seen that Ji Rong can throw 24 dice on spiritual defense. Our FVM (18-19 + 1 auto) dice really aren't cutting it anymore.
 
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