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lbmaian said:
Lakota could easily be a non-human name as well. With tens of species and hundreds of cultures, there's bound to be naming coincidences.
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Yeah, it could be an non-human name. But by default it will probably have the meaning it already has, so someone needs to actually put in the effort and do some worldbuilding about how Lakota is the name of a Fiiral-ese dish made of noodles and slightly poisonous mushrooms that is traditionally eaten by their royal family when they celebrate the start of a new journey or something like that.
No one talked about Lakota meaning something other than Lakota and our QMs cant read our minds yet.
 
[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Perhaps we should name our characters with english words and names too. Nancy Karen. Pointy Ear Lady Number Two.

More to the point, in context of the quest, Resolute has no meaning while Salnas has a meaning. Arbiter has no meaning while Zarayet has a meaning.
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Now, that is a ridiculous argument, though I would like for less apostrophe abuse from some of the alien names... it gets annoying and is difficult to keep in mind who is who.
Then again as Star fleet head honcho we do not deal too much with too many people, omakes notwithstanding, and given that the times we assign a posting, we do it on an evaluatory position, we can take time, go back and forth and live with some of the unpronounceable nightmares we use as names.
Hell, I rarely remember our captain's names and need to search who is captain of who and even then it isn't easy.

As for Salnas having meaning? it has? oh, the ship we called salnas has done things but as for having meaning... not for me it is pointless and while it is a nice way of trying to represent a mutlispecies polity, we always run into the problem of using our alphabet to try and represent words that aren't written in our alphabet.
You saying Resolute has no meaning is silly, sure, we have no Starfleet ship named thus but before we used salnas... did it had a meaning? no. does it has a meaning? only insomuch as the ship salnas but that is not a good argument.

The issue is why do we name ships? to distinguish it from others is the most obvious answer. we could use the NCC number, but that is a hassle and names are easier to remember.
to us, the players.
And ultimately that is the important part.

So, using a phonetic representation in our alphabet of an alien name is... complicated, might help to stand out a name or two, but sooner or latter, we are going to have a lot of names that mean nothing to *us* and will make keeping track of things more difficult.
Of course, our current naming schema isn't good, by and large is a mess and all over the place (except with the Rennies, more or less) but some names are even canonical, I'd personally suggest we slot types of names depending on the hull class, much like the USN schema (if a name, the ship is a destroyer, if it is a city, a cruiser and a state a battleship)
 
chriswriter90 said:
Mind actually explaining those so you don't sound pretentious and talking out of your ass?

I have a mind to say 'fuck everything' and randomly select four names from the list of Canon Excelsiors instead of supporting any of the names already put forward.
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Both Salnas and Zarayet had omake written about them in the process of being considered as a ship name. Salnas is the Amarki who discovered their world was round, and Zarayet is the mother of Orion space travel, founding the first space-focused hypercorp (which a thousand years later became the Syndicate).

In fact, I think Zarayet is one of the proposed names that has close to the most in-thread history, other than perhaps Aelin, although I'm unsure on what other names failed votes off hand. Like, she goes all the way back to the very start of the Syndicate campaign, almost a decade ago. e: No, sorry, not the start of the Syndicate campaign, Iron Wolf wrote that back during the Biophage.
 
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Time for a Tally.
Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Oct 17, 2017 at 3:51 PM, finished with 63 posts and 24 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Oct 17, 2017 at 3:54 PM, finished with 67 posts and 25 votes.
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The Avandar was based off the first Betazoid FTL ship according to some beta Star Trek canon. Pleezirra was a famous Apinae drone reknowned for making peace between hives. I recall those two because I came up with them. The Atuin is a discworld reference to us, but also to a Rigellian myth about a demigod who swam off the edge of the world and into the stars.

I don't recall what the Ru'rruadoor means other than it's Caitian. Don't recall with Thirishar means... I think it's Tellarite? Or maybe Indorian? No, it was Voshov that's Tellarite.
 
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The Avandar was based off the first Betazoid FTL ship according to some beta Star Trek canon. Pleezirra was a famous Apinae drone reknowned for making peace between hives. I recall those two because I came up with them. The Atuin is a discworld reference to us, but also to a Rigellian myth about a demigod who swam off the edge of the world and into the stars.

I don't recall what the Ru'rruadoor means other than it's Caitian. Don't recall with Thirishar means... I think it's Tellarite? Or maybe Indorian? No, it was Voshov that's Tellarite.
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Thirishar is basically the Andorian Gilgamesh.
Thirishar
 
Joshrand1982 said:
Quick question. What do the Standard crewed ships do again?
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Basically, we have regular Starfleet - garrisons, runs around putting out fires, handles most internal issues, forms the bulk of our war fighting capability.

Then we have Explorer Corps, our Elite. They solely crew long range capital ships and mostly run around outside of our claimed space sticking their sensors into anything they come across.

Regular fleet gets a chance to respond to any events in their sector/task force. Explorer fleet gets a guaranteed event every quarter. As a consequence EC ships level up much faster.
 
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When I came up for the idea of the ship name Timekeeper, I was trying to come up with something that was a translatable into English name that did not sound like a Brittish or United States navel style name.

I like the idea of memorable due to real words, but feeling alien.
 
[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME1] Discovery
[X][NAME2] Zarayet
[X][NAME3] Lakota
[X][NAME4] Frontier
 
[X][MED] Rear Admiral Leonard McCoy

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew
 
[X][MED] Rear Admiral T'Kora

[X][GBZ] Gorac Crogan

[X][NAME3] Lakota

The parts I actually care about.
 
[X][MED] Rear Admiral Leonard McCoy

[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW3] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW4] Crew with Standard Crew

[X][NAME4] Frontier

I can't not vote for McCoy and I like the final Excelsior being named Frontier but don't much care for the other names. I don't have anything better to suggest though, so I'll stay out of the names argument.
 
Briefvoice said:
The Avandar was based off the first Betazoid FTL ship according to some beta Star Trek canon. Pleezirra was a famous Apinae drone reknowned for making peace between hives. I recall those two because I came up with them. The Atuin is a discworld reference to us, but also to a Rigellian myth about a demigod who swam off the edge of the world and into the stars.

I don't recall what the Ru'rruadoor means other than it's Caitian. Don't recall with Thirishar means... I think it's Tellarite? Or maybe Indorian? No, it was Voshov that's Tellarite.
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I think it is, ultimately, the problem with Trek, we have so many alien races and cultures and yet so few had any official limelight. I know that part of that issue is the cost of make up, so we will never see a live series with a true diverse crew... might be nice to have an animated series that do... might even let us have a significant % of crew being not humanoids.


But again, the problem is that the names of federation ships are in our alphabet.

Let me give you a good example of my problem here....

Beijing.

Now imagine the USS Beijing.
it is not written in Chinese characters, but in our alphabet.

Beijing means northern capital, and up to not so long ago we used to romanice it as Peking, but Beijing is a better.

This is the issue with translating language, specially if you aim for a phonetic translation.

Now lets add some made up (memory beta or in quest) phonetic soups that we want to use to give the ships a patina of interculturalism, that in itself isn't bad, but... again, we have the problem that it will make it more difficult for us to ID the ships, some I can sorta remember, but... well, a few total I am sure we can handle, but we do need to be careful that they remain a minority.

So, I am going to use this point to suggest we start using some sort of schema to make it easier to id ships (to the class or the type) I suggested the USN schema as an example (I'd rather not have such bland names, though) but it was only a suggestion
 
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