SuperSonicSound
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Refit rules clearly need to be properly defined, because IIRC the design thread doesn't really know what can and can't be changed out in refits.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Refit rules clearly need to be properly defined, because IIRC the design thread doesn't really know what can and can't be changed out in refits.
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i like this one the best personally
[x][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
Kepler 2322-Now [???m 979k t, 99.13% rel, 21.45% ev]
C2 S7 H2 L4 P5 D5
Cost[100br, 90sr, 2.25 years], Crew [O-2, E-3, T-4]
[x][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
Kepler 2322-Now [???m 979k t, 99.13% rel, 21.45% ev]
C2 S7 H2 L4 P5 D5
Cost[100br, 90sr, 2.25 years], Crew [O-2, E-3, T-4]
A few observations:
It seems the Cardasians were experiencing the joys of conflict on two fronts during their GBZ adventure. Depending on when hostilities broke out on the Cardasians other conflict our friend Hybor may have picked a particulary inopertune time to kick off that event.
In addition to repair and replacement of the GBZ loses the Cardasians will likely have additional ships to repair or replace so maybe their fleet strength is lower than we currently estimate. Its unknown exactly how strong the otherside involved was so we don't have any real feel for how expensive this was in ships for the Cardasian Union.
The presence of the Hismari Septs is likely to divert sufficient Cardasian forces to make putting together a counterstrike force in the GBZ problematical.
The Cardasians are adapting at least some aspects of client state technology idicating they are placing practicality ahead of arrogance; this is a disturbing trend.
Did anyone not expect the Sowtaw to become a Romulan ally/client state? This will likely precipitate the disolution of the neutral zone which given the recent improvement in diplomatic relations with the RSE is redundant and possibly advantageous for improvements to trade.
As for the Jalduin 2 its now has a disturbingly high S and P score meaning most of these ships encountered in the next few years will be blooded; not an encouraging development.
We may wish to carryout diplopushes on the Ked Padah and the Tauni in the next snakepit as those are likely to be anchor points in the HBZ.
It seems the Cardasians were experiencing the joys of conflict on two fronts during their GBZ adventure. Depending on when hostilities broke out on the Cardasians other conflict our friend Hybor may have picked a particulary inopertune time to kick off that event.
In addition to repair and replacement of the GBZ loses the Cardasians will likely have additional ships to repair or replace so maybe their fleet strength is lower than we currently estimate. Its unknown exactly how strong the otherside involved was so we don't have any real feel for how expensive this was in ships for the Cardasian Union.
The presence of the Hismari Septs is likely to divert sufficient Cardasian forces to make putting together a counterstrike force in the GBZ problematical.
The Cardasians are adapting at least some aspects of client state technology idicating they are placing practicality ahead of arrogance; this is a disturbing trend.
Did anyone not expect the Sowtaw to become a Romulan ally/client state? This will likely precipitate the disolution of the neutral zone which given the recent improvement in diplomatic relations with the RSE is redundant and possibly advantageous for improvements to trade.
As for the Jalduin 2 its now has a disturbingly high S and P score meaning most of these ships encountered in the next few years will be blooded; not an encouraging development.
We may wish to carryout diplopushes on the Ked Padah and the Tauni in the next snakepit as those are likely to be anchor points in the HBZ.
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Chaos Blade
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I am not too sure about the vote, but:
[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
Seems like a good one. Was very tempted by SWB D5 P5 option, though, but moar science in a science ship makes sense
[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
Seems like a good one. Was very tempted by SWB D5 P5 option, though, but moar science in a science ship makes sense
[x][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
Regarding Jaldun II stat advancement compared to the Rennie.
One: the Jaldun is heavier than the Rennie. By around 20%. More room. The Kaldar is even heavier ....
Two: the Cardassians have always been presented as a cruiser heavy navy. I'm pretty sure there was a comment when the Rennie launched that this was the first new Starfleet cruiser design in decades.
Three: the newest Cardassian client that we know of bought advanced technology with them - if any of our members/prospective members are actually ahead of us in the tech tree, it isn't obvious.
Starfleet has been designed by us to be heavy Capital with a side order of Frigates, and the Cruisers being last. That our cruisers do not match up to a politic body that focuses heavily of cruisers just means we need to play to our strengths - a heavy metal phase dominated by our capitals and as many advantages in positioning as our frigates can win.
One: the Jaldun is heavier than the Rennie. By around 20%. More room. The Kaldar is even heavier ....
Two: the Cardassians have always been presented as a cruiser heavy navy. I'm pretty sure there was a comment when the Rennie launched that this was the first new Starfleet cruiser design in decades.
Three: the newest Cardassian client that we know of bought advanced technology with them - if any of our members/prospective members are actually ahead of us in the tech tree, it isn't obvious.
Starfleet has been designed by us to be heavy Capital with a side order of Frigates, and the Cruisers being last. That our cruisers do not match up to a politic body that focuses heavily of cruisers just means we need to play to our strengths - a heavy metal phase dominated by our capitals and as many advantages in positioning as our frigates can win.
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[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
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i still wonder why we did not snipe the sotaw away from the romulans
we had lots of chance to do so?
oh well found us a lot of other prospects to make friends with
we had lots of chance to do so?
oh well found us a lot of other prospects to make friends with
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[X][KEP] S7/P4/D6 Kepler with rec by SWB
[x][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
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[x][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
[x][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
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The Jaldun/Kaldar were defined under the old system so I cannot really give you easy mechanical refit rules.
Presumable Fourth: They just nabbed all our sensor tech.
Wonder if we could use that to drive a wedge between them and the 'IP is sacrosanct' Dylaarians...
Or work out Sensor spoofs of our own, since this is tech we know inside and out...
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Forgothrax
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[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
I would like to point out to everyone that there is a tech that will give us a free +1S for all Keplers w/6 month refit that will be done ~2332 per Nix. Specialist Exploratory Sensors. That handles S8. We can even go higher because Oneiros confirmed just now that we can add modules later on.
I would also point out to those choosing D6 that D6 is primarily going to be used in combat, since otherwise the Kepler will have a +12 or +10 response roll. Thus means you're optimizing the Kepler for a relatively rarely occurrence (we don't do much fleet combat) at the cost of harming it's peacetime performance, which is what we designed the Kepler for in the first place. We all know DCs will go up in the future, so P4 is not going to remain useful for long.
It's 20% bigger than the Rennie. Presuming that Nacelles aren't included (so it's got a true weight around 1270 or so). With that much space, the Jaldun II is probably sheetable. The Rennie cruiser Frame needs around 1060kt or so to work.
Now, the crew and cost stats are another matter, but...
I would like to point out to everyone that there is a tech that will give us a free +1S for all Keplers w/6 month refit that will be done ~2332 per Nix. Specialist Exploratory Sensors. That handles S8. We can even go higher because Oneiros confirmed just now that we can add modules later on.
I would also point out to those choosing D6 that D6 is primarily going to be used in combat, since otherwise the Kepler will have a +12 or +10 response roll. Thus means you're optimizing the Kepler for a relatively rarely occurrence (we don't do much fleet combat) at the cost of harming it's peacetime performance, which is what we designed the Kepler for in the first place. We all know DCs will go up in the future, so P4 is not going to remain useful for long.
It's 20% bigger than the Rennie. Presuming that Nacelles aren't included (so it's got a true weight around 1270 or so). With that much space, the Jaldun II is probably sheetable. The Rennie cruiser Frame needs around 1060kt or so to work.
Now, the crew and cost stats are another matter, but...
So, HoH minimum force levels.
4 Sanctuary class Fleet Tenders (5MT)
20 older Fleet Tenders
16 Liberator class (Cruisers?)
24 Scientist class Cruisers (Science focus)
18 Solace class Cruisers (Combat focus)
A large number of short range corvettes of at least three classes - whether they have normal frigates as well I cannot tell from this.
Assuming all the Fleet Tenders are Capitals and the Liberators are Cruisers (I think we have encountered one, but I don't remember much about it)
24 Capital ships
58 Cruisers
>100 Corvettes
Minimum.
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I updated my designs SWB listed to the newest version of the sheet, and could cut down construction time by a month for free (which will only matter in conjunction with other effects because construction is tracked by quarter). It would also be possible to cut construction time down by a full quarter, at the cost of 5 SR and reliability. It also looks like we will be allowed to build both the version with and the one without module and they will count as the same design, we just won't be able to swap out modules or stockpile them separately (for the foreseeable future, barring changes to tracking sheets that would allow for that).
[Oneiros' latest answer sounds very much like allowing this, still waiting for a 100% definite confirmation]
[Oneiros' latest answer sounds very much like allowing this, still waiting for a 100% definite confirmation]
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[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
P5 is a must for me on the Kepler and willing to pay a bit more to get them to D5.
P5 is a must for me on the Kepler and willing to pay a bit more to get them to D5.
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[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
Oneiros just confirmed that we will also be able to build the S7 version without module for cost and construction time savings, so the vote might be better phased to include both, but a few people already voted for the design and the option for S8 is the main selling point compared to other designs so it's probably best not to change it now, just keep in mind that it's effectively a vote for both.
Oneiros just confirmed that we will also be able to build the S7 version without module for cost and construction time savings, so the vote might be better phased to include both, but a few people already voted for the design and the option for S8 is the main selling point compared to other designs so it's probably best not to change it now, just keep in mind that it's effectively a vote for both.
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By the same token, would we be able to retrofit a module to a design that currently lacks one?
aledeth
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The module raises the power cost, and none of the other designs have enough headroom. They won't be able to include a module without an expensive refit that replaces (some of) the power systems.
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 2645 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 66111-66180]
##### NetTally 1.9.9
Task: KEP
[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
No. of Votes: 15
[X][KEP] S7/P4/D6 Kepler with rec by SWB
No. of Votes: 5
[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
No. of Votes: 5
Total No. of Voters: 25
##### NetTally 1.9.9
Task: KEP
[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
No. of Votes: 15
No. of Votes: 5
[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
No. of Votes: 5
Total No. of Voters: 25
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[X][KEP] S7/P4/D6 Kepler with rec by SWB