Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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- definitely the ground
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- They/Them/It
Ah. Hm... I guess you're right.
[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
Replacement? Not a B refit?
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
Also ten years!
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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[X][KEP] S8/P4/D5 Kepler with rec by Nix
Thanks for assembling that list, @SynchronizedWritersBlock .
Anyway, I've been gunning for that S8 design from the get go with Kepler. A science frigate that can outdo an excelsior is no small thing. Sacrificing a little diplomacy seems a good trade off for the ability to cheaply handle hard dc events and scouting.
Thanks for assembling that list, @SynchronizedWritersBlock .
Anyway, I've been gunning for that S8 design from the get go with Kepler. A science frigate that can outdo an excelsior is no small thing. Sacrificing a little diplomacy seems a good trade off for the ability to cheaply handle hard dc events and scouting.
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In seriousness, I suggest that we focus on beating the snot out of the Cardassians in the skirmish phase and in out-producing them by a wide margin by maintain an economic lead over them by expanding far faster than them and by taking advantage of their disadvantage in the GBZ to double our colony settlement there. Also when assigning fleets for anti-Cardassian operations try to outnumber their Jaldun-bis count 1.5:1.
P.S. vote for both the Centaur-B and 2319 frigate designs in the upcoming Tactical review and the next Snakepit.
P.S. vote for both the Centaur-B and 2319 frigate designs in the upcoming Tactical review and the next Snakepit.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
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On those notes, how can we improve our defensive capability? More outposts? I've already mentioned having a starbase to base out of.
Can we get any more memberfleet interest? I recall UESP was showing some interest in the GBZ.
Weapons platforms. The outposts themselves are vulnerable if undefended and are only one gun in battle, but numbers count for a lot, and weapons platforms are essentially extra ships where they are deployed. A Collie starbase or one in that system with the double M class is also useful. I recommend to enable this deploying another engineering team to the GBZ. In practical terms this means building two more engineering ships, hopefully at UP where they can be made in 1.5 years, pulling their freighters and cargo from our logistics, and federalizing more logistics ships.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
It's very disturbing how the Cardasians have a more effective cruiser than us in pretty much all categories that matter for a slight bump in tonnage and being cheaper in SR costs, I was always under the impression that Federation ships of the same 'year' date would tend towards being well... better but having to spread their stat focus across a broader range of capabilities, whilst groups like the Cardassians or the Klingons would have a slight edge in the military stats.
Kind of a shock to see the Jaldun II being straight up superior to the Rennie in Science as well as hull and shields. The only stat a rennie has the edge with is D, which for a cruiser makes little difference iirc.
Kind of a shock to see the Jaldun II being straight up superior to the Rennie in Science as well as hull and shields. The only stat a rennie has the edge with is D, which for a cruiser makes little difference iirc.
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Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
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I don't understand, wouldn't this been seen as an aggressive move entering an alliance with a group that is within the established non-aggression area?
AKuz
Been Better
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- A Rising Tide of Horrors
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- She/Her
Economic alliance!
Though I actually think the FDS is 100% on board because this reduces the barries between us and the RSE, making it easier to normalize relations. The Romulans are just kinda desperate to check the Klinks at this point
(NOT A GM Statement, just musings)
More then that; the Federation-Romulan Neutral Zone is an area neither side is supposed to enter. We see multiple times in TNG the Federation and Romulans getting angry at each other for the other side entering, or as they call it on the show trespassing, the Neutral Zone. Having an ally inside the Neutral Zone renders it's whole point for existence moot!
So, Horizon combat fleets have a minimum of 12 of their short range corvettes, backed by a 5MT mothership. If we get into a fight with those guys, bear the fleet sizes in mind!
Our intel says there are three Takaaki Science vessels total - we know where all three are currently (one in their side of the CBZ, two scouted for Pact fleets in the GBZ). Was the second GBZ one always there, or was it transferred in from this other war they had going on?
The Romulons are actually winning some of their fights. Bit of a change from Klingon Klingon Klingon. We avoided diplomacy with the Somtaw because they were in the RBZ - guess the Romulons did not extend the same back to us.
Our intel says there are three Takaaki Science vessels total - we know where all three are currently (one in their side of the CBZ, two scouted for Pact fleets in the GBZ). Was the second GBZ one always there, or was it transferred in from this other war they had going on?
The Romulons are actually winning some of their fights. Bit of a change from Klingon Klingon Klingon. We avoided diplomacy with the Somtaw because they were in the RBZ - guess the Romulons did not extend the same back to us.
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Have a summit and dissolve the Federation-Romulan neutral zone.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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- definitely the ground
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- They/Them/It
I will take it as the usual "our best xenopsych guys say this" then, instead of infallible word of... the various space gods don't really come in infallible, do they?
Well... is that such a bad thing? Romulan-Federation relations are the best in extant history right now.
I could actually see this being the Romulan's plan. They befriend the Sotaw and have an alliance agreement written but unsigned. Then they call a summit to discuss dissolving the Neutral Zone, something I can easily see the Federation agreeing to, and the second that is done they sign the alliance agreement with the Sotaw.
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Not clear that's what actually happening. It seems SWB gave an offhand estimate for the maximum plausible ("wouldn't be surprised") stat increase for Jaldun and Kaldar refits and the QMs just ran with it, rather than actually designing refits using newly available techs with the design sheet?
They still don't match our shield regeneration.
Maybe we should request a report on their research and tech level next year?
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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[X][KEP] S7/P5/D5 Kepler with rec by SWB
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- Patriarchova
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- Australia
Also cruiser frames are their shtick.
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- somewhere
So the Cardassians directly get access to clients' tech, but we don't get anything from affiliates or even members, not even a couple of points to industrial replicators from the Gaeni?
While true the only bit we know about the Imelak is that they are Federation level:
which doesn't really change things seeing as we can't recreate the Renaissance with Starfleet's tech on the spreadsheet. This is important considering that the Jaldun-II is better in every category despite only being a little heavier and a refit rather then new build.
I'm surprised you can upgrade frames in a refit. That seems like the sort of thing that would be unchangeable.
In that case, you might want to check out @Forgothrax's proposals for a dedicated minesweeper that'd take over from the Kepler long-term.
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- Belgrade, Serbia
This has been bugging me as well.
@OneirosTheWriter What exactly are the rules regarding tech sharing with affiliates/members? It does not make a lot of sense to not get anything. Sorry if this has been asked before.