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You...are not referring to the same Current Fleet Status post, which has multiple duplicated ships to cover shuffling over time. Which is the only thing I had access to, if you were paying attention.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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You...are not referring to the same Current Fleet Status post, which has multiple duplicated ships to cover shuffling over time. Which is the only thing I had access to, if you were paying attention.
Alastor Mobius Toth
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I'm not one confident enough to push through new ship names, but just this once...
[X][NAME1] Enfer - named after Gaeni omnidisciplinary scientist; pioneer in fields of atomics and advanced computing*
[X][NAME2] Ahura**
* I made that up, yes, but I wanted to celebrate Gaeni ratification somehow,even if they went filthy developmental. OOC, Enfer or E.N.F.E.R is the name of brilliant and most definitely insane AI in Endless Space universe, created by Sophons, who might as well be Gaeni.
** Shameless self-promotion. USS Ahura was my first Excelsior-class ships in Starfleet Command series of games. It's name is derived from Avestan, meaning "lord" or "might"; it's more famous as part of the name Ahura Mazda, the Zoroastrian God which is the original precursor to most modern monotheistic religions. Associated typically with fire and wisdom.
[X][NAME1] Enfer - named after Gaeni omnidisciplinary scientist; pioneer in fields of atomics and advanced computing*
[X][NAME2] Ahura**
* I made that up, yes, but I wanted to celebrate Gaeni ratification somehow,
** Shameless self-promotion. USS Ahura was my first Excelsior-class ships in Starfleet Command series of games. It's name is derived from Avestan, meaning "lord" or "might"; it's more famous as part of the name Ahura Mazda, the Zoroastrian God which is the original precursor to most modern monotheistic religions. Associated typically with fire and wisdom.
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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[X][BEE] Intazzi Shipyards
[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][NAME1] Spirit
[X][NAME2] Opportunity
[X][BUILD] 2317 2 Excelsior-As, 2 Excelsior refits, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation-As, 2 Constellation Refits, 4 Renaissance, 2 cargoships, 1 freighter, 1 super-freighter
[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][NAME1] Spirit
[X][NAME2] Opportunity
[X][BUILD] 2317 2 Excelsior-As, 2 Excelsior refits, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation-As, 2 Constellation Refits, 4 Renaissance, 2 cargoships, 1 freighter, 1 super-freighter
Thors_Alumni
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[X][BEE] Intazzi Shipyards
[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][NAME1] Spirit
[X][NAME2] Opportunity
[X][BUILD] 2317 2 Excelsior-As, 2 Excelsior refits, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation-As, 2 Constellation Refits, 4 Renaissance, 2 cargoships, 1 freighter, 1 super-freighter
[X][CREW1] Crew with Standard Crew
[X][CREW2] Crew with Explorer Corps
[X][NAME1] Spirit
[X][NAME2] Opportunity
[X][BUILD] 2317 2 Excelsior-As, 2 Excelsior refits, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation-As, 2 Constellation Refits, 4 Renaissance, 2 cargoships, 1 freighter, 1 super-freighter
UbeOne
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After this year, this should be the last EC Excelsior.
@OneirosTheWriter, the pp costs for Cargo Ships and Freighters reset each year, unlike those for Superfreighters, correct? Assuming the answer is yes, or if the answer is no then assuming that an extra Cargo Ship is worth the pp cost;
@Briefvoice, assuming also that the three-quarter gap in LOCF is due to lack of SR, maybe consider for next Shipyard Ops to switch the planned Rennaisance there to the Apinae 1mt berth as it becomes free, and schedule another Cargo Ship in it's former place? It would delay the Rennie by one quarter, but would also avoid wasting 3 quarters of potential berth time overall. And granted, there's the chance that repairs from incoming Gabriel combat will upend everything anyway.
@Briefvoice, assuming also that the three-quarter gap in LOCF is due to lack of SR, maybe consider for next Shipyard Ops to switch the planned Rennaisance there to the Apinae 1mt berth as it becomes free, and schedule another Cargo Ship in it's former place? It would delay the Rennie by one quarter, but would also avoid wasting 3 quarters of potential berth time overall. And granted, there's the chance that repairs from incoming Gabriel combat will upend everything anyway.
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My apologies; I was referring to the open-access Googledoc that literally everyone can use.
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We should wait until we see what the options in next year's shipyard ops and the options in this years MWCO and Snakepit look like, what will be built in the 2 aux berths that free up in Q2 and what this year's logistics report says before spending any pp like that. There is a very good chance that's either entirely superflous or we will have better options in another vote (e. g. permanent logistics budget increase in the snakepit).
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The Cargo Ship in question wouldn't start and cost us pp before next Shipyard Ops anyways.
To put this in perspective, back in 2310 when we got the Kadak-Tor and All The Intel, Cardassian Union combat was 148 over 40 ships. It's been a while since then, and I'm not sure if we've had more recent numbers, but if we operate under the generous assumption that they've done a massive fleet expansion, say a fifty percent increase... If they built another 20 more modern ships and, say, doubled their combat stat in the process, they would still only have rough statistical parity with Starfleet alone.
To be fair, in any realistic conflict neither side could commit full forces and there are all sorts of considerations I'm ignoring, but you can see why the very existence of the UFP keeps the Obsidian Order well supplied in night terrors. (I'm assuming they must know about the member fleets by now, right? At least in generalities.)
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We requested a fleet strength report on them just last year, and they were in fact at approximate parity with Starfleet.
It is not due to lack of SR, but rather a crew issue. But sure, it's worth considering next year.
In fact we got a report this year:
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
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Speaking of Cardie vassals, any chance that we could get the Dylaarians to leave them by claiming the Ashalla Pact is a breach of the Federation's IP? 
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
Dylaarian diplomat: "So you see, we have no choice but to leave the Ashalla Pact. The Federation clearly holds the right of first invention to multispecies alliances in this galactic era."Speaking of Cardie vassals, any chance that we could get the Dylaarians to leave them by claiming the Ashalla Pact is a breach of the Federation's IP?
Cardassian diplomat: "I see... most unfortunate." shit! shit! What should I do! Wait, I know! "However, there is one thing you have overlooked. The Ashalla Pact does not actually fall under the Federation's IP."
Dylaarian diplomat: "Oh? How so?"
Cardassian diplomat: "Yes! After all the Federation is an alliance of equals, meaning their IP only extends to other alliances of that type. Whereas the Ashalla Pact is... is..." nervous grin
Sydraxian & Dawiar diplomats: "Go on..."
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The problematic vassals are the Dawiar, the Konen and the Bajorans.
The Goshawnar seem to be content acting as Cardassian battle thralls, probably because the Cardassians are happy to let the Goshawnar fite as long as they don't fite Cardassians. Plus, the Cardassians successfully installed a puppet government; it would take a major defeat of the Cardassians' power to make the Goshawnar restive.
The Dylaarians seem unlikely to upset the apple cart, especially since they're not actually being enslaved or brutalized or anything as far as we know. Though some more intelligence on that would be nice.
The Lecarre seem content with the status quo, though they may change their minds when the Qloathi and Seyek join the Federation and bring Federation borders very close to their space, increasing their vulnerability to conquest.
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The Bajorans, well, their traditionalists are anti-Cardassian, but their 'reform' faction (the one trying to end the caste movement and secularize) is probably pro-Cardassian. Either way the Bajoran Navy is going to be tiny and they don't have the kind of highly experienced planetary guerilla force we'd see fifty years from now, so their ability to make trouble for the Cardassians is limited. They're not a problem and probably require little or no special Cardassian ship force to control.
The Dawiar are a problem because their strategic situation has become entirely untenable. If they were closer to Cardassian space they might well remain loyal clients, but their loyalty is uncertain given their position. They would probably honestly be better off at this point as friends of the Federation, and at least some Dawiar are likely to know this. However, they're unlikely to rebel- just to leave, and in the process of leaving wouldn't necessarily tie down Cardassian ships.
The one affiliate species with a significant fleet, that is likely to rebel, is the Konen, since the Konen were straight-up conquered in the relatively recent past. I would definitely be worried about that if I were a legate.
In wartime, the obvious way to deal with this is to coerce the Konen into contributing ships, then have these ships be worn down in combat on the front lines of the war. As long as their military power declines faster than the Cardassians, they will be unlikely to rebel unless the Cardassian Union is broken up so thoroughly by the war that it becomes unable to launch a post-war punitive expedition. It's only if the Konen avoid committing ships, and wait until the Cardassians are worn down to a level that might make it possible to regain their freedom, that the Cardassians are likely to have a serious problem with a Konen revolt.
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Meanwhile, the Sydraxians are no longer really Cardassian clients at all, and the Yrillians are at best dubiously likely to do anything significant against the Federation though they may tie down some Federation member world assets that are trying to keep an eye on them.
Given relative positioning, it occurs to me that the Dylaarians could be convinced to switch sides and become Ferengi clients instead. I have a feeling the Ferengi would be much better at playing their game than the Cardassians are.
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If the Opportunity goes through as the name of our EC ship, I want to appoint its first EC captain to be chosen purely on their ability to produce Opportunity-related puns and wordplay on demand.
"So I told the Cardassians, sorry but I have an Opportunity you can't pass up."
"The plague was pretty bad, but luckily we had an Opportunity to help."
"They tried to take over my ship, but they missed their Opportunity."
"So I told the Cardassians, sorry but I have an Opportunity you can't pass up."
"The plague was pretty bad, but luckily we had an Opportunity to help."
"They tried to take over my ship, but they missed their Opportunity."
UbeOne
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