pheonix89
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For cases 2-4:
"Okay, you are under arrest."
"You can't do that!"
"I believe you'll find that nobody will side with you here."
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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"Okay, you are under arrest."
"You can't do that!"
"I believe you'll find that nobody will side with you here."
I've always assumed that the snakepit lobbying is filtered through the office of the President, hence why the PP costs for stuff jumped around when N'Gir was elected. This is, however, fundamentally different from asking for resources from the table. This is a direct initiative by the President, not a request we are putting through. It is a request they are making of us.
It is the difference between "Chief of the Defense Staff requests budget increase to keep up with operation requirements."
and
"Chief of the Defense Staff lobbies opposition to shut down government purchase."
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Ah.
He might just waive the cost and say the Heavy Industrial Complex did it.
pheonix89
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What the fuck?
All four of those orders are grossly illegal.
Edit: Assuming it's her, not the whole council for the first one, anyway.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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Well, I suppose the saying "everyone hates politics" is still mostly true.
As seen in the die hard opposition vote, being fired is a tool we use to resist things we absolutely don't want Starfleet to do.
Yes. But Starfleet would still be short an Admiral, and that torpedo will take a while to land. Meanwhile, there's nothing restraining the President from making bad decisions since a yes man will be appointed to replace.
Chief of Defense Staff lobbies opposition to shut down defense purchases. In which case, why the hell would the Chief of Defense Staff do that? It would've strengthened his position if he didn't.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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Why can't we all just... get along?
pheonix89
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Things that are still legal.
For things that are illegal as fuck and that Starfleet will under no circumstances comply with we use other tools.
Like arresting the goddamn lunatic trying to start a war without council backing or trying to carry out a racial purge.
That's not actually true. The act of resigning and the associated fallout would cause the President to be impeached, or whatever the process is here.
e: I think this is a really stupid and tangential thing to be arguing over right now
Actually?
While the 'fire all of (species)' orders are I expect illegal if not outright unconstitutional, 'preemptively strike the Cardassians' might not be, depending on where the authority to declare war lies in the Federation, and whether or not the President has been given discretionary power to exercise military force against a foreign power outside a war. Presuming that the extent of the UFP President's ability to exercise military power is equal to that of the USA's President, that is a legal instruction.
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The successor will still be a Starfleet Admiral or Vice Admiral who has worked under his predecessors for many years.
There are none of those who would work with a truly criminal or self-destructive order for the president (I hope).
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
We had two options: "Go along with the deal" and "Upset the apple cart". If there'd been a "Don't commit until we get this sorted out" option I think we'd have been all over it. We'd been backed into a corner by the whole "come to Starfleet with a proposal" idea, N'Gir's history of "I expect you to do this", and Sulu's plan of pretending to know everything.
I will say, given how much work had apparently been put into this proposal, it probably would've been pretty politically damaging if our response was "The idea is good but it needs to be completely redone". Given the way the vote is going (happily work to accomplish the goals) I don't know if this is going to end particularly differently than it would've if we'd voted to hold off.
I will say, given how much work had apparently been put into this proposal, it probably would've been pretty politically damaging if our response was "The idea is good but it needs to be completely redone". Given the way the vote is going (happily work to accomplish the goals) I don't know if this is going to end particularly differently than it would've if we'd voted to hold off.
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Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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Opposing it would mean we may loose Sulu and boy did the thread want it's Sulu.
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Alastor Mobius Toth
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Paris, from what I recall.
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[x][PEACE] Suggest building it within the FDS
-[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
[x][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
[x][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
[X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
-[x][FDS] Dependent on Starfleet for delivery
[x][GEAR] Should be more in line with Caitian Frontier Police
[x][SIZE] As Proposed, 9 battalions
[X][CARGO] Mix of Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard expansion and assigning Starfleet general purpose shipyard berths, supplemented by Member yards like now
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So?
Keep firing Admirals. Either one will clue in and rubber stamp everything, or you go down the ranks until you find such a person. You'll find one eventually.
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[x][CARGO] Look to heavily expand Starfleet's Auxiliary Shipyard production
-[x][AUX] By itself
[x][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
-[x][AUX] By itself
[x][PEACE] Bitter-end opposition (May require resignation)
I'm not sure one opposition would end in resignation. Cat has lost a lot of trust from some council members before the Arcadian war, as far as I remember?
The post sounds Commodore-ish, though I admit I am pretty much just guessing.
Puting it under the Explorer Corps Vice Admiral would make the hierarchy neater and make absolutely clear what our goal for the Peacekeepers is in terms of ethics and attitude and stuff.
The reputation of the Explorer Corps is also an useful tool for the kind of job the Peacekeepers will be doing.
? I don't know, why aren't we grabbing an expanded police force?
A defense purchase is a government purchase. Kind of semantical.
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That would take more than enough time for the Council to take action. The President is not an Autocrat.
al103
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I'm pretty sure I'm not only one that voted on "not in the way it's presented". So it's not surprising that it's actually not rejected when other ways are on the cards.
And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that would've voted "no" even with risk of losing Sulu if there was no acceptable alternatives presented.
Also - I consider insinuation that it's "lolSulu" switch of vote demeaning to the voters. There was through disscussion both before and after last update that clearly explains why people vote as they vote.
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The reason some options may require resignation is that's it's a de facto vote of no confidence in the presidency. To press after that would risk the President's impeachment if another head of Starfleet resigns. ONE resignation's a political kick in the balls, but one the President can survive.
Firing hasn't even been discussed because it's an effecive suicide pact that would torpedo both Starfleet and the President- she'd never get re-elected after that, but she could do some nasty things. Firing more than one head of Starfleet would almost certainly see her impeached shortly thereafter.
Firing hasn't even been discussed because it's an effecive suicide pact that would torpedo both Starfleet and the President- she'd never get re-elected after that, but she could do some nasty things. Firing more than one head of Starfleet would almost certainly see her impeached shortly thereafter.
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