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[X] Plan For Progress

Well this is decent. Spear switch is nice even if it would have been awesome to see Ling Qi use a heavy polearm.
 
@yrsillar, if we get a Week tutoring and, say, go for []moon art and do EPCx6, would the bonus successes be halved, so instead of 90 we get 15+7*5=50?
 
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Speaking of meridians...
1. Shouldn't we have +2 auto successes on the arm meridian opening this last update?
2. Is plan Ash Burst planning to open a meridian in the archive action, or displace/compete with existing arts by training in either ASA or a hypothetical music art?
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I'm planning on leaving Ashen Shroud on overlap this turn, getting the Meridians next turn or turn after.

If we find an autoplay art and Yrsillar doesn't let us pick up both I'd do the autoplay and the meridians for both as part of a burst with a relevant high-spec pill next week.
 
Minor actions - lots of priorities, urgh. The meeting is a must-do; Cai Renxiang might be accusing someone of attempting to manipulate her, and Ling Qi's gotta be there to see it. Plus, Renxiang's now being righteous (somewhat) on Ling Qi's behalf and Qi's now done a job for her - which, among other things, has led to the 'lesser' cultivators seeing her as someone with authority; I wager that there'll be a lot less potential scheming from below now.

Gu Xiulan is a... okay, she's not a grown woman yet, but she's not too crazy; on the other hand, Ling Qi going with her might offer influence on what goes on. Bai Meizhen's definitely impacted by training Ling Qi; addressing that now could help resolve things (as well as lingering issues from the trials, Meizhen's view of Qi changing from 'useful ally' to 'friend', etc). Xuan Shi is still there, and interacting with him might be pretty valuable going forward. Ling Qi's mother's circumstances, again, are something to learn more about.

Huang Da is always a bit of a concern. And, to be honest, I don't think he's actually a danger to Ling Qi at present. A bit of somewhat friendly interaction, see what his attitude is at present and how creepy he is; I mean, remember that the disciples are all about the same age - 14 or 15, I believe... he's still maturing. And, heck, if he's in a spot of trouble, a bit of a helping hand could pay back the perceived debt of helping Li Suyin and Su Ling out.

Su Ling's knowledge of hunting is helpful, certainly... but then, Ling Qi is learning through doing there. Alas, Han Jian, you're perhaps the least important at present. While political skill and knowledge is valuable, there's a lot of other things on Ling Qi's social card this week.

I think the four I want to see Ling Qi address most this week are:

[] Huang Da has been quiet these past weeks, it's making you nervous, look into what he's been up too.
[] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
[] Compose a new letter to Mother, try to get her to open up a little about her new circumstances
[] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called

Gu Xiulan's idea could probably stand another week or two before initiation - Ling Qi needs some practice with her new art, for one thing, and if she can get to mid-Yellow, even better. Xuan Shi can probably wait another week if he must - that's more about additional connections and opening up routes for future learning, and Ling Qi could use some more Formations advancement to give her more to discuss with him. Su Ling and Han Jian are more "learn more things" than addressing concerns. And shopping is not yet a priority, although refreshing the shopping list should probably be done at some point soon.

Unfortunately, the leading plans seem to be happy to go with Han Jian instead of one of the others - I don't suppose I could convince said plan-makers to do "letter to mother" or checking in on Huang Da instead? No, really - he's also a second-tier power-player, has some understanding of darkness, seems somewhat favorable to Ling Qi (if in a rather creepy way) and Ling Qi kinda owes him a bit for his save of her friends. He's also done a bit of exploring of the territory, if I recall right - Ling Qi might be able to trade known sites with him (I wager he might find the glade valuable... while if he found a very nice Wind spot, Ling Qi would profit in turn; plus, if that's true, he could help seize the glade from the wolves, assuming they reside there).
 
Alright; so if Plan For Progress wins this is what we can expect:

2 Spiritual Rolls, 1 Physical Roll, 2 Qi Increase Rolls, 1 FSA Cultivation roll, 1 EPC cultivation roll.

Spiritual:
Talent 6+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ EPC 5+ Pill 10+ Vent 8 for a total of 47 dice.
Average: 23.5 Successes x2= 46/47 successes. 46+77=123, 47+77=124. This means that we'd get about 123/120 and reach Mid-Yellow, but it'd be close and if we get horrible rolls like this turn? Then yeah we might not get Mid-Yellow. But if we do get average we should be at 3/240 or 4/240.

Physical:
Talent 6+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ EPC 5+ Pill 10+ Meizhen 5+ Vent 8 for a total of 52 dice.
Average: 26 successes. A third of this is 8.7 or 9 successes, which is transferred to Qi because of Bear Marrow.
26+34= 60/240 so we should be a quarter of the way through to Late Silver if everything goes well.

Qi Increase:
Talent 6+ RSS+ YSS 15+ EPC 5+ Pill 12+ Vent 8 for a total of 44 dice +2 autosuccesses due to EPC.
Average= 24 successes x2=48 successes + 9 from Physical= 57 successes.
If Qi is 12/29 like it says on character sheet, then we should get +2 Qi and 10/31 progress. If Qi is 22/29; which is should be because we used Bear Marrow and didn't get the 1/3rd successes; then we get +2 Qi and 20/31 progress.

FSA:
Talent 6+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ Pills11+ Han's Group 3 for a total of 38 dice
Average: 19 Successes which should unlock the technique and give us 4/30 progress to the next level if the total xp needed doubles.

EPC:
Talent 6+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ Pills 5+ EPC 3 for a total of 32 dice
Average: 16 successes. 16+6=22/50 progress, a little less than halfway through.

Tl;dr We should get to Mid-Yellow unless we get unlucky like this turn, so I recommend Omake points or something. We should also be 1/4 of the way through to Late Silver, get a total of +2 Qi for a total of 43 Qi, and a decent progress towards a total of 44 Qi. We should learn FSA (unless we're seriously unlucky). We should be a little less than halfway through to EPC2.

More calculations coming up sometime soon. I'm really bored.
 
I see plans still using red stones. Could anyone quickly explain to me why we aren't going for yellow stones now that we can get 10-30 red stones per turn from hunting? Not annoyed, just curious.
 
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CircleTheSkies said:
Minor actions - lots of priorities, urgh. The meeting is a must-do; Cai Renxiang might be accusing someone of attempting to manipulate her, and Ling Qi's gotta be there to see it. Plus, Renxiang's now being righteous (somewhat) on Ling Qi's behalf and Qi's now done a job for her - which, among other things, has led to the 'lesser' cultivators seeing her as someone with authority; I wager that there'll be a lot less potential scheming from below now.

Gu Xiulan is a... okay, she's not a grown woman yet, but she's not too crazy; on the other hand, Ling Qi going with her might offer influence on what goes on. Bai Meizhen's definitely impacted by training Ling Qi; addressing that now could help resolve things (as well as lingering issues from the trials, Meizhen's view of Qi changing from 'useful ally' to 'friend', etc). Xuan Shi is still there, and interacting with him might be pretty valuable going forward. Ling Qi's mother's circumstances, again, are something to learn more about.

Huang Da is always a bit of a concern. And, to be honest, I don't think he's actually a danger to Ling Qi at present. A bit of somewhat friendly interaction, see what his attitude is at present and how creepy he is; I mean, remember that the disciples are all about the same age - 14 or 15, I believe... he's still maturing. And, heck, if he's in a spot of trouble, a bit of a helping hand could pay back the perceived debt of helping Li Suyin and Su Ling out.

Su Ling's knowledge of hunting is helpful, certainly... but then, Ling Qi is learning through doing there. Alas, Han Jian, you're perhaps the least important at present. While political skill and knowledge is valuable, there's a lot of other things on Ling Qi's social card this week.

I think the four I want to see Ling Qi address most this week are:

[] Huang Da has been quiet these past weeks, it's making you nervous, look into what he's been up too.
[] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
[] Compose a new letter to Mother, try to get her to open up a little about her new circumstances
[] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called

Gu Xiulan's idea could probably stand another week or two before initiation - Ling Qi needs some practice with her new art, for one thing, and if she can get to mid-Yellow, even better. Xuan Shi can probably wait another week if he must - that's more about additional connections and opening up routes for future learning, and Ling Qi could use some more Formations advancement to give her more to discuss with him. Su Ling and Han Jian are more "learn more things" than addressing concerns. And shopping is not yet a priority, although refreshing the shopping list should probably be done at some point soon.

Unfortunately, the leading plans seem to be happy to go with Han Jian instead of one of the others - I don't suppose I could convince said plan-makers to do "letter to mother" or checking in on Huang Da instead? No, really - he's also a second-tier power-player, has some understanding of darkness, seems somewhat favorable to Ling Qi (if in a rather creepy way) and Ling Qi kinda owes him a bit for his save of her friends. He's also done a bit of exploring of the territory, if I recall right - Ling Qi might be able to trade known sites with him (I wager he might find the glade valuable... while if he found a very nice Wind spot, Ling Qi would profit in turn; plus, if that's true, he could help seize the glade from the wolves, assuming they reside there).
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Yeah, I don't feel the Han Jian action is urgent right now, but... eh, we put off looking into this stuff for way to long, so getting some context isn't bad either.

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Delcer said:
I see plans still using red stones. Could anyone quickly explain to me why we aren't going for yellow stones now that we can get 10 or more red stones per turn from hunting? Not annoyed, just curious.
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We get two free yellow stones for purposes of cultivation. The maximum number of yellow stones we can use for cultivation is two.
 
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Hmm, FSA will require 15 successes initially, the second stage should require only 20 then given how these things usually work out (Experience required doubles every level, but it's Wind aspected, so the next step will have the cost reduced by half)

Plus, training it counts as Archery training.

I'd still feel happier if we commissioned a good bow this turn, but I suppose it can wait until we see what our bow technique actually does so we can optimize it accordingly.
 
Codex said:
Alright; so if Plan For Progress wins this is what we can expect:

2 Spiritual Rolls, 1 Physical Roll, 2 Qi Increase Rolls, 1 FSA Cultivation roll, 1 EPC cultivation roll.

Spiritual:
Talent 6+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ EPC 5+ Pill 10+ Vent 8 for a total of 47 dice.
Average: 23.5 Successes x2= 46/47 successes. 46+77=123, 47+77=124. This means that we'd get about 123/120 and reach Mid-Yellow, but it'd be close and if we get horrible rolls like this turn? Then yeah we might not get Mid-Yellow. But if we do get average we should be at 3/240 or 4/240.
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You are forgetting +4 bonus success from Yellow breakthrough. Likewise, there is +3 dice from the pill for the bonus roll, and maybe a +2 from suyin.
Anyway, This is actually a average of 54 successes.
Physical:
Talent 6+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ EPC 5+ Pill 10+ Meizhen 5+ Vent 8 for a total of 52 dice.
Average: 26 successes. A third of this is 8.7 or 9 successes, which is transferred to Qi because of Bear Marrow.
26+34= 60/240 so we should be a quarter of the way through to Late Silver if everything goes well.
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28 average from roll, +2 from bonus success, so 30 average. +10 Qi average.
Qi Increase:
Talent 6+ RSS+ YSS 15+ EPC 5+ Pill 12+ Vent 8 for a total of 44 dice +2 autosuccesses due to EPC.
Average= 24 successes x2=48 successes + 9 from Physical= 57 successes.
If Qi is 12/29 like it says on character sheet, then we should get +2 Qi and 10/31 progress. If Qi is 22/29; which is should be because we used Bear Marrow and didn't get the 1/3rd successes; then we get +2 Qi and 20/31 progress.
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You are again forgetting the +2 bonus success from breakthrough. So it's 24 average from dice +4= 28*2= 56 Qi successes.
FSA:
Talent 6+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ Pills11+ Han's Group 3 for a total of 38 dice
Average: 19 Successes which should unlock the technique and give us 4/30 progress to the next level if the total xp needed doubles.

EPC:
Talent 6+ RSS 3+ YSS 15+ Pills 5+ EPC 3 for a total of 32 dice
Average: 16 successes. 16+6=22/50 progress, a little less than halfway through.
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FSA also has +1 from wind element, so 39 dice, which is 22 average.

EPC is mostly right, 17 average successes.
Alectai said:
Hmm, FSA will require 15 successes initially, the second stage should require only 20 then given how these things usually work out (Experience required doubles every level, but it's Wind aspected, so the next step will have the cost reduced by half)

Plus, training it counts as Archery training.

I'd still feel happier if we commissioned a good bow this turn, but I suppose it can wait until we see what our bow technique actually does so we can optimize it accordingly.
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Not cut by half, -10. Cut by half would be ridiculously good.

The plan is hoping Gu Xiulan's fight net us a bow.
 
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I wonder if there are mastery synergies between complementary weapon trainings.

That is, if you have dots in spear AND heavy polearm, or in sword AND saber, or in throwing knives AND flying dagger/kusarigama, that sort of stuff.

In the real world there'd definitely be some bleedover benefits - more forceful/heavier slashes with your straight sword, faster/more accurate thrusts with your saber, etc. - would the same apply here?

I'd think so, but wuxia Wicca is basically magic, and magic doesn't care overmuch what reality dictates SHOULD happen.

If it does work that way, spear/polearm could be a decent synergistic training combo, with both sides making use of Ling Qi's greater-than-average reach.
 
These are the actions I'm most interested in:
[] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
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I'm definitely on board with getting in on Xiulan's scheme to challenge Outer Disciples. Perhaps we can establish some contact with her sister or get some interesting loot.
[] Huang Da has been quiet these past weeks, it's making you nervous, look into what he's been up too.
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I haven't given up on making friends with as many nobles as possible. The more influence we have, by extension the more influence Meizhen has. I haven't given up the idea of getting Meizhen some strong political allies; I only feel more strongly about it now that know about how despised Meizhen's family really is.
[]Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
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Needless to say, the sooner we wrap up the, 'someone is attempting to frame Ling Qi' plot the better it is for us.
 
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I likewise feel that Han Juan is not nearly that pressing an action as many others. It's a shame the two leading plans favor that. Maybe later I'll look through the other plans...
 
While I mostly like "plan progress", I really think we should be investigating disappearances this turn, I feel this mission may become unavailable next week, and us more important than the condor.

@yrsillar

I know it is meta, but could you maybe add some "availability counter" on the unique missions, so we know how long they are available still?
 
A lot of people have jumped on avoiding the Bai aura if it makes things easier (#elementalbalance), however I haven't seen much discussion of how we should be handling the situation.

In Meizhen's interlude we saw that one of her issues was her father. Specifically, that he wasn't able to handle the Bai. She's probably being reminded of that right now, which will make her feel like pushing away from us. While our impulse might be to ease off, and try to return things to normal, I would suggest that that's easier said tban done. The cat is out of the bag now, and it's likely to significantly impact Meizhen's perception of our long term relationship.
Importantly, if we want to stick with Meizhen long term, we have to be able to be able to ignore the terror.

Now, doubling down and beating our head against her aura possibly isn't the best way to handle it, and this is something we should be discussing. It might be better, for instance to back off to recover before trying again, or to wait until we have AMA2. However, we do need to deal with it at some point.
 
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