Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Yes yes, But I was writing my post when you were posting your own. :)

speaking of Qi and our levels of qi, I'm thinking that we are in a prime place to do a massive increase in our qi reserves in a couple of weeks. We have the sable light combo with Dark moon Pill. We could then use the HIghsun pill and get a tutor for opening meridians and set the overflow to qi. We would get a massive amount of qi that way. The question is, would it be worth it to get that qi now so we have it for trials and missions and fights or try to wait for the most opportune time to use it?

Wait until we're Late Silver/Mid Yellow so we can have the maximum amount of Yellow stones avaliable (actually if we're Late Silver/Late Yellow can we use 4 Yellow stones? That would be something like 35 dice).
 
Two notes on Meridian opening.
1. I'm not sure if we can ask for general meridian-opening training, or if we have to specify the specific meridian (e.g. Lung Meridians)
2. Overflow goes right into Physical/Spiritual, which means that we would need 3-4 meridian actions to get the equivalent of one Physical/Spiritual cultivation action. The efficiency isn't exactly there.

It's a specific training, and others can help (Suyin helped us with it before). So pretty sure it will be legal as a thinly defined slice of training. And it probably would count as physical training if training procs a roll. Note that spiritual breakthrough bonuses are based on qi and element, physical and based on Meridian.
 
He said it will proc a roll, which I take to mean it will proc a roll even if we spend another action doing that roll as well. For example if we train Stamina, it will proc a Physical cultivation roll, which will not affect us if we choose to do normal physical cultivation with Han Jian's group. This essentially makes us capable of double cultivation. Well, that's how I interpreted it, and I could very well be wrong. We'd have to ask Yrsillar to be sure.
I understood it to mean that a "Train with Tutor" action would proc the appropriate roll in the same way e.g. our archive search procs a training roll; basically it is just saying that the action spent on the tutor isn't wasted.

It will still be a grade 1 or 2 when it hatches though and I think there was some mention of the upkeep going down with better SL with the spirit. So I doubt it will be that expensive.
Upkeep does go down with better SLs, so that is definitely an advantage we have. However, we were also told that the rarer and more powerful the beast, the more it Qi costs - so even if the hatchling is going to be grade 1-2 and thus not exceptionally powerful, the rarity of its superior bloodline indicates that it would still be expensive to maintain. On the other hand, the same reasoning means it will probably give better passive bonuses, so it is a fair trade here.
 
We've been told Han Jian was a playboy earlier and had a relationship with Gu Xiulan's sisters that made her turn the way she is when it comes to jealousy.

A fun thing though is that all points to Gu's family used to be a major clan like the Bai before their decline, and now they are probably vassals to their old vassals.

When were we told that? The only time Han Jian was called a playboy was back in the beginning when Fan Yu called him a "Heartbreaker", and Han Jian played it off as him making his marriage prospects cry. We don't know if he was lying or not (although I think he was lying about why he's called heartbreaker), and we haven't been told Han Jian was ever in a relationship with Gu's sisters?

Really, I'd like to see the source. It's probably WOG if you're so certain, because I don't think the text ever said that?
 
When were we told that? The only time Han Jian was called a playboy was back in the beginning when Fan Yu called him a "Heartbreaker", and Han Jian played it off as him making his marriage prospects cry. We don't know if he was lying or not (although I think he was lying about why he's called heartbreaker), and we haven't been told Han Jian was ever in a relationship with Gu's sisters?

Really, I'd like to see the source. It's probably WOG if you're so certain, because I don't think the text ever said that?
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I'll just point out that she has several female siblings, whom Han Jian implied were around his home often enough to 'spoil' Heijin and the other cubs. There's also the fact that Fan Yu was not entirely talking out his ass when he mentioned Han Jian's rep as a ladykiller.
 
I should note that it has been mentioned that spirit upkeep can be reduced by working on the spirit's social link.
 
I would be vehemently against using our tutor to train us and friends together. Vehemently.

Part of the reason of getting the week tutor is 1on1 tutoring. Helping us specifically instead of being distracted with multiple students. It's also a chance to bond with an older inner sect member , gain a social and if we impress them enough maybe even an art, a secret location, or a cool item passed down that they don't need.

Hell if they are a minor noble or something we can get another contact , more fluff maybe even connections with a smaller noble family etc.

We lose all of this 1 on 1 interaction if we bring our friends along and frankly while sharing areas, pills we can't use or don't need, and arts is one thing. A reward we earned via hard work and is pretty darn expensive is a whole other thing.
 
The problem with training Qi is that Qi training, well, sucks.

It costs 30 successes to increase Qi by one, which isn't that bad until you consider what else we could do with that number of successes. Opening a meridian costs less than 30 successes. Learning the first level of two of an art costs less than 30 successes (for the arts we've seen, anyways). Going from Low to Mid cultivation costs 120 success. So in summary, in the time we could get +4 Qi, we could instead have opened two meridians and learned a 2-meridian art to the second level, or raised our cultivation from Low-Yellow to Mid-Yellow. Either of these seems pretty superior to raising Qi.


Admittedly, there are two mitigating factors. First, there are a lot of things that give bonuses to Qi cultivation; for us, that includes our Cultivation art and the Argent Vent. Second, as time goes on we lose low-hanging fruit like raising our cultivation to Yellow or picking up cheap but useful arts. However, at present, we are still a good distance away from the point where we'd actually want to take actions cultivating Qi.
 
I would be vehemently against using our tutor to train us and friends together. Vehemently.

Part of the reason of getting the week tutor is 1on1 tutoring. Helping us specifically instead of being distracted with multiple students. It's also a chance to bond with an older inner sect member , gain a social and if we impress them enough maybe even an art, a secret location, or a cool item passed down that they don't need.

Hell if they are a minor noble or something we can get another contact , more fluff maybe even connections with a smaller noble family etc.

We lose all of this 1 on 1 interaction if we bring our friends along and frankly while sharing areas, pills we can't use or don't need, and arts is one thing. A reward we earned via hard work and is pretty darn expensive is a whole other thing.

That's ignoring three things.

1. Because it is a big price, it would be some major kodos with all our friends. It's likely to make them give us more support in the future.
2. We would still do some networking, maybe not as much... but remember the the sect looks approvingly on those who work well with others. We got some kodos for working with Suyin, and that cost us nothing. This might earn us some approval of the sect elders.
3. I wouldn't be surprised if we got some pay it forward if we did it. Maybe our friend would get together to do another hire a tutor week themselves, giving us more long term benefits. It's expensive for one student, but not for eight.
 
The thread's somewhat slow, but the leading plan has 48% of the votes and there haven't been any strong arguments against it. There are still about 30 more voters who usually participate, and there's plenty of time to jump ship however.
Adhoc vote count started by Arkeus on Jun 21, 2017 at 3:05 PM, finished with 328 posts and 26 votes.

  • [X] Plan For Progress
    -[X] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, 1 Qi Expansion Pill, 1 Darkmoon Pill, 1 Snowy Peak Pill
    -[X] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (24 red stones)
    -[X] Buy and Store: 2x Wellspring Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    --[X] Change Melee weapon to Spear
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    -- [X] Physical
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -[X] Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
    --[X] All else being equal, try hunting the condor at night.
    -[X] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    [x] Plan Ash Burst
    -[X] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, 1 Snowy Peak Pill, 1 Darkmoon Pill, 1 Starlight Elixir, 1 Qi Expansion Pill.
    -[X] Buy and Use: Bear Marrow Elixir, White Hart Elixir, Flowing Rivers Pill, Steady Gropwth Pill (24 red stones)
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] SCS
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    -[x] Visit the Archive
    --[x] Get Ashen Shroud Art
    --[x] See if you can find an art for hands-free instrument playing while you're there
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] Spiritual
    -[X] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    [X] Plan Politics, the Necessary Evil
    -[X] 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, Snowy Peak Pill, Dark Moon Pill
    -[X] Buy and Use 1 Steady Growth, 1 Bear Marrow Elixir, 1 White Hart Elixir, 1 Flowing River Pill, 1 Qi expansion pill (Total of 26 red stones)
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] FSA
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Take a Job
    --[X] Investigate Disappearance
    ---[X] Ask Meizhen if she is able and willing
    ---[X] If not, then ask Su Ling
    ---[X] Attempt to do at Night if possible.
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    -- [X] Physical
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    -[X] Head to the market for some shopping
    --[X] A combat bow
    --[X] Yellow Soul Medicines
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    --[X] Only take the tokens of victory, it sucks but we need more positive light on us after this week.
    [X] Plan Raoyue
    - [X] Inventory - 2x RS, Snowy Peak, Dark Moon Pill, Qi Expansion Pill, Clear Wind Pill
    - [X] Buy - 2x Wellspring Pills (6 RS) + Steady Growth Pill (8 RS) + White Hart Elixir (6 RS) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RS) + Bear Marrow Elixir (3 RS)
    - [X] Sell - Hawk Talon Armguards (~10 RS)
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] FSA
    -- [X] Bow; Spear
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    -- [X] Give Suyin the Qi Foundation Pill and Red Restoration Pill - we can't use either as a 2nd realm
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    -- [X] Physical
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Investigate Disappearances
    --- [X] Ask Bai Meizhen
    --- [X] If she declines, ask Su Ling if she has reached Yellow
    --- [X] Else - Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Spend more time with Su Ling, learning harvesting techniques and getting to know the girl better
    [X] Plan Cultivation Stabilization
    -[X] 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir, Snowy Peak Pill, Darkmoon Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -[x] Visit the Archive
    --[X] Study formations
    -[X] Huang Da has been quiet these past weeks, it's making you nervous, look into what he's been up too.
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    [X] Plan Investigate that Condor
    -[X] Resources: 2 Red Stones, 1 Clearing Wind Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] Eight Phases Ceremony
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    -[X] Find a job
    -[X] Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
    -- [X] Investigate Disappearances
    --[X] With Su Ling
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    -[X] Head to the market for some shopping
    - [X] Spend more time with Su Ling, learning harvesting techniques and getting to know the girl better
    [X] Plan OPERATION FLUFFY TAIL
    -[X] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill
    -[X] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (24 red stones)
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    -- [X] Physical
    ---[X] Ask how much in the way of cores your turtle will eat.
    ---[X] Drop the mental training if we can't handle it right now. Getting better at this sort of thing is worth doing, but not at the cost of tainting our interactions with Meizhen.
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -[X] Take a job (Investigate the Disappearances)
    --[X] Ask Su Ling for help
    -[X] Head to the market for some shopping
    --[X] Look to buy a bow and arrows of some kind
    --[X] Look to see if there's anything you can use to play music without using your hands
    --[X] Check the sale price for some of your beast cores
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
 
[X] Plan For Progress
-[X] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, 1 Qi Expansion Pill, 1 Darkmoon Pill, 1 Snowy Peak Pill
-[X] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (24 red stones)
-[X] Buy and Store: 2x Wellspring Pill
Major Actions
-[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
--[X] Falling Stars Art
--[X] Change Melee weapon to Spear
-[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
--[X] Physical
--[X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
-[X] Cultivate on your own
--[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
-[X] Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
--[X] All else being equal, try hunting the condor at night.

Minor Actions
-[X] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
-[X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
-[X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme

Glad to see someone was around to post my plan. I think I would have chosen different minor actions, but it's certainly a good enough set of choices.

[X] Plan For Progress

No one wants to spend time with Su Ling given she might have broken through this week? :(

One day I'll finally be able to convince people to spend an action on her. And then we'll find out we could have been getting great medicines from her for a pittance all this time, I bet.
 
Glad to see someone was around to post my plan. I think I would have chosen different minor actions, but it's certainly a good enough set of choices.

[X] Plan For Progress



One day I'll finally be able to convince people to spend an action on her. And then we'll find out we could have been getting great medicines from her for a pittance all this time, I bet.

I wanted to spend an action on her too, but this week's the "Government" meeting. We kind of need the political training from Han Jian to ensure we don't fuck up, and the Xiulan/Meizhen/Cai meeting options are all non-negotiable for a lot of people in the thread (for good reason I think). Hopefully we aren't caught off guard by other stuff this week so we can continue our socials with her.
 
...Do we REALLY need political advice? All kidding aside, these are kids in a fancy high school. It's not good to flail around too much, but most people have pretty limited access to their family's resources and a grudge from Sect school is going to take a LONG time to become relevant in the real world.
 
My priority actions for next week are:
1: Su Ling
2: Shopping
Hopefully we won't have more than two emergencies to deal with, and be able to actually fit these in.
 
...Do we REALLY need political advice? All kidding aside, these are kids in a fancy high school. It's not good to flail around too much, but most people have pretty limited access to their family's resources and a grudge from Sect school is going to take a LONG time to become relevant in the real world.

There's a lot of stuff we don't know. In fact, we don't know what we don't know when it comes to politics, and every advantage helps. I'm kind of tired of Ling Qi flailing in the dark without knowing anything. In fact, it's kind of inexcusable that it took us 4 months to find out why everybody hates the Bais.
 
We've been told Han Jian was a playboy earlier and had a relationship with Gu Xiulan's sisters that made her turn the way she is when it comes to jealousy.

A fun thing though is that all points to Gu's family used to be a major clan like the Bai before their decline, and now they are probably vassals to their old vassals.
Yeah they've said playboy but what does that even mean in this context, in a place where bare ankles are scandalous? Could be as little as he smiles at lots of girls and actually has them smile back. Fan Yu was excited enough at the thought of seeing a pretty girl when he first met Ling Qi that it'd probably be pretty innocent plus Han Jian's kinda young to have any serious reputation as a Casanova. Is it confirmed then that he isn't engaged?

The Gu were just a branch of the hero, Lu Guanxi's, clan though so probably not the major clan in the area but enough to cling to their pride. I can imagine the Lu being the controlling clan and after they died the place on top was heavily contested between the Han and Gu. Alternatively the Han are an ancient noble house and have always been in charge and the hero was a random upstart, like a lesser Sun Shao. The Han are seemingly the ones with spirit ancestry.
 
--[x] Get Ashen Shroud Art
Sorry for being pedantic but it's Ashen Shadow Art
[x] Plan Ash Burst
Adhoc vote count started by Grigori on Jun 21, 2017 at 3:49 PM, finished with 342 posts and 30 votes.

  • [X] Plan For Progress
    -[X] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, 1 Qi Expansion Pill, 1 Darkmoon Pill, 1 Snowy Peak Pill
    -[X] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (24 red stones)
    -[X] Buy and Store: 2x Wellspring Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    --[X] Change Melee weapon to Spear
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    -- [X] Physical
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -[X] Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
    --[X] All else being equal, try hunting the condor at night.
    -[X] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    [x] Plan Ash Burst
    -[X] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, 1 Snowy Peak Pill, 1 Darkmoon Pill, 1 Starlight Elixir, 1 Qi Expansion Pill.
    -[X] Buy and Use: Bear Marrow Elixir, White Hart Elixir, Flowing Rivers Pill, Steady Gropwth Pill (24 red stones)
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] SCS
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    -[x] Visit the Archive
    --[x] Get Ashen Shroud Art
    --[x] See if you can find an art for hands-free instrument playing while you're there
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] Spiritual
    -[X] Spend more time with Han Jian fleshing out your understanding of noble politics
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    [X] Plan Politics, the Necessary Evil
    -[X] 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, Snowy Peak Pill, Dark Moon Pill
    -[X] Buy and Use 1 Steady Growth, 1 Bear Marrow Elixir, 1 White Hart Elixir, 1 Flowing River Pill, 1 Qi expansion pill (Total of 26 red stones)
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] FSA
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Take a Job
    --[X] Investigate Disappearance
    ---[X] Ask Meizhen if she is able and willing
    ---[X] If not, then ask Su Ling
    ---[X] Attempt to do at Night if possible.
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    -- [X] Physical
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    -[X] Head to the market for some shopping
    --[X] A combat bow
    --[X] Yellow Soul Medicines
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    --[X] Only take the tokens of victory, it sucks but we need more positive light on us after this week.
    [X] Plan Raoyue
    - [X] Inventory - 2x RS, Snowy Peak, Dark Moon Pill, Qi Expansion Pill, Clear Wind Pill
    - [X] Buy - 2x Wellspring Pills (6 RS) + Steady Growth Pill (8 RS) + White Hart Elixir (6 RS) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6 RS) + Bear Marrow Elixir (3 RS)
    - [X] Sell - Hawk Talon Armguards (~10 RS)
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] FSA
    -- [X] Bow; Spear
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    -- [X] Give Suyin the Qi Foundation Pill and Red Restoration Pill - we can't use either as a 2nd realm
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    -- [X] Physical
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Investigate Disappearances
    --- [X] Ask Bai Meizhen
    --- [X] If she declines, ask Su Ling if she has reached Yellow
    --- [X] Else - Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Spend more time with Su Ling, learning harvesting techniques and getting to know the girl better
    [X] Plan Cultivation Stabilization
    -[X] 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill, Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir, Snowy Peak Pill, Darkmoon Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -[x] Visit the Archive
    --[X] Study formations
    -[X] Huang Da has been quiet these past weeks, it's making you nervous, look into what he's been up too.
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
    [X] Plan Investigate that Condor
    -[X] Resources: 2 Red Stones, 1 Clearing Wind Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] Eight Phases Ceremony
    -- [X] Speak with Bai Meizhen, her... intense training methods have made things a little awkward between you
    -[X] Find a job
    -[X] Hunt the Crimsonwing Condor
    -- [X] Investigate Disappearances
    --[X] With Su Ling
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    -[X] Head to the market for some shopping
    - [X] Spend more time with Su Ling, learning harvesting techniques and getting to know the girl better
    [X] Plan OPERATION FLUFFY TAIL
    -[X] Use From Inventory: 2 red stones, 1 Clear Wind Pill
    -[X] Buy and Use: Steady Growth Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, White Hart Elixir, Bear Marrow Elixir (24 red stones)
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] Falling Stars Art
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Spiritual
    - [X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    -- [X] Physical
    ---[X] Ask how much in the way of cores your turtle will eat.
    ---[X] Drop the mental training if we can't handle it right now. Getting better at this sort of thing is worth doing, but not at the cost of tainting our interactions with Meizhen.
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -[X] Take a job (Investigate the Disappearances)
    --[X] Ask Su Ling for help
    -[X] Head to the market for some shopping
    --[X] Look to buy a bow and arrows of some kind
    --[X] Look to see if there's anything you can use to play music without using your hands
    --[X] Check the sale price for some of your beast cores
    - [X] Attend the next 'government' meeting that Lady Cai has called
    - [X] Make sure Gu Xiulan does not bite off more than she can chew with her scheme
 
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[x] Plan Ash Burst

It's almost like I care more for completely putting a controversial and bloody argument behind us than I do maximizing efficiency.

ASA is just as narratively appealing if not more so what with the theme of the shadowy thief/killer in the night transforming into shadow and fighting people in HtH with physical heat devouring 'shadows'.

FS is cool, and shooting stars at people does have a nice thematic appeal as the shadowy moon themed killer in the dark, but you know what's even cooler? Being capable of doing both.

Anyways, in the interest of showing I'm not mono-focused on how awesome ASA is, how viable would it be to eventually start inscribing/painting formations into our ammunition? There has to be a formation that explodes real good, or even deliberately faulty formations- or formations that paralyze/blind/weaken etc. Combine that with FS's ability to disrupt Qi in a target Ling Qi might be able to pull off a ridiculously lethal arcane archer.

I know people have been talking about tutoring, how do we feel about eventually getting a formations tutor so that we can get a variety of useful designs?
 
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[X] Plan For Progress

I would like a Su Ling or Xuan Shi action sometime...Anyway, as far as Ashen Shadow goes, I've been clear that I want a second or third floor mantle art in that style. You thought I was joking about that master plan?

Anyway, I can't wait to see what SCS 3 does! Will we become like the shadow? Will we get even more movement speeds and passives? Will we get a higher slope that we can ignore? All of these questions will be answered, eventually!
Given the description of 'she hasn't sheathed herself fully in darkness qi' that we got of the third layer this update, my guess is that Ling Qi will finally get phasing of a sort. Not being there was the primary attribute of Darkness we got in SCS' description, after all.

The problem with training Qi is that Qi training, well, sucks.
On the other hand, increased Qi is a permanent omni-versatile aspect of cultivation with repercussions for combat stamina (in two ways), spirit bonding, as well as being the primary measure of the 'foundation' for spiritual cultivation (given that Argent Vent's Qi portion is focused on getting cultivators up to speed on their reservoir). While things like meridians, masteries, and arts are also permanent and useful, they are much more focused and specifically applicable. Dice applied to Qi are 'useful' in almost every clash, making Qi the chassis of the vehicle we call Ling Qi, while dice applied to the rest are components—you're not always pressing the brakes in every driving situation, so even though they're necessary to the vehicle's function they don't help very much when you (for example) hydroplane.

Personally I'd like to see Ling Qi cultivate Qi specifically sometime. Gotta get to 50/60 Qi before Green, after all, and while '1/3rd to Qi' and '1/5th to Qi' and 'procs a Qi roll on X' is useful for that, letting her make most of the progress even without specifically going for it, I'm not so sure that it'll be enough to reach what she needs.

On a similar note, Meridians even when she's not got a specific art to fill them with—we can expect that we'll need a Lung and another Arm for any sort of mantle art, for example, and we can make similar predictions for other arts. Like, what if we want a movement art not limited by the light? SCS is great in a combat or night stealth situation, but sometimes in the middle of the day you just gotta go fast. We don't have to cultivate it as much as SCS but Ling Qi should not be running place to place like a pleb in broad daylight if she doesn't have to.

One day I'll finally be able to convince people to spend an action on her. And then we'll find out we could have been getting great medicines from her for a pittance all this time, I bet.
What I expect is that Ling Qi gets better at extracting cores and getting fairer prices for them. 5RS per core is 'enough' but I'm sure that knowing more about it would get a better deal. Like, maybe being a 'regular supplier' instead of just being a random disciple who comes in with cores, if Ling Qi gets in good with people like Fatty Hao and the rest of the production section of the sect.
 
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On the other hand, increased Qi is a permanent omni-versatile aspect of cultivation with repercussions for combat stamina (in two ways), spirit bonding, as well as being the primary measure of the 'foundation' for spiritual cultivation (given that Argent Vent's Qi portion is focused on getting cultivators up to speed on their reservoir). While things like meridians, masteries, and arts are also permanent and useful, they are much more focused and specifically applicable. Dice applied to Qi are 'useful' in almost every clash, making Qi the chassis of the vehicle we call Ling Qi, while dice applied to the rest are components—you're not always pressing the brakes in every driving situation, so even though they're necessary to the vehicle's function they don't help very much when you (for example) hydroplane.
I din't think that is true. Qi is 'useful' in any clash were we are at risk of exhausting our Qi. However, extra reserves mean very little if you never actually need them - and so far, we have had all of one fight where qi limits were actually a problem (back in Lucky Breaks). If anything, in your metaphor I'd say that Qi is the fuel tank - important for longevity and when you don't have a chance to recharge.

Personally I'd like to see Ling Qi cultivate Qi specifically sometime. Gotta get to 50/60 Qi before Green, after all, and while '1/3rd to Qi' and '1/5th to Qi' and 'procs a Qi roll on X' is useful for that, letting her make most of the progress even without specifically going for it, I'm not so sure that it'll be enough to reach what she needs.
We are probably going to have to put actions in Qi at some point, assuming we want to get the breakthrough bonus. Like you said, while "free" progress to Qi from pills or locations or whatnot is quite useful, it probably won't be enough to get us all the way.

However, I'd like to put that time off as much as possible. Right now, extra qi offers us very little snowball potential, unlike most of our other actions. And if the benefit from getting Qi now isn't much greater than the benefit from getting it later, we should definitely get it later - since at that point, we will have more dice and autosuccesses (from EPC levels and Yellow Stones, if nothing else).
 
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