Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
Quest
The Great One
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- Everywhere
Only way to fix that is to get a defensive art, maybe a body strengthening and regeneration art?
- Location
- Brazil
The lower of Unarmed and Strenght, actually. She can use Dex on her to-hit, but DV is capped by Strenght as far as we know.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Elegy also disrupts Qi, though. Maybe the wording is different, but...
Also, while FSA is fucking terrifying when it comes to a kiting Ling Qi.... we will very rarely want to kite. FSA is the art we want when we are alone and at very long range. It's not the art we want in any cases where we aren't alone and can actually fight at optimal range for us.... that range being the same range as FVM.
That was a debuff/poison art! She explicitly had to do the damage with Blood Weapons first!
@yrsillar does ASA do any actual damage on its own outside of what we do with kicks?
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
SCS is actually pretty decent defensively currently, and it gets a spine next turn. I suspect that will do it.
- Location
- Brazil
The optmial range for an archer is as far as they can get away with.
Get an good Bow to bring down Qi cost and add even more dice, and we will be effectively one-shotting people, if only because they will mostly run out of Qi before they take a second double move.
Shooting and moving is Qi-free.
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pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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It's also a lovely opener and keeps people from trying to outrange us.
Someone will eventually try to blast us from way outside of FVM range.
FSA makes that less advisable.
I want it, I just want an optimal purchase order for FSA and ASA.
The Blood Weapons were a function of that same art.
ASA almost certainly has Ash weapons.
What is your point?
FVM is massively, massively superior to any art we're going to get on floor one or floor two. Probably floor three. I doubt the inner sect has substantial access to SCS/FVM grade arts.
[X] Falling Stars Art
Okay, let me explain myself.
ASA is a terrible art for our build. I am going to be honest, I have no idea why people think it will enhance Li Qi.
So this mean that we need to construct a labyrinth of trails. Which is a lenghty process, during which we must survive the ennemy blind strikes.
We need to hit the ennemy to be able to debuff them. To hit them mean being in range for their attacks. Which is the exact opposite of how we want to act in our darkness (aka not near the ennemy to not get hit).
ASA is a tank art. It's an art for someone that is going to run in the pack of ennemy, hit them each once to debuff them then run away, to hit them via the trail. It's the very opposite of how we act.
Okay, let me explain myself.
ASA is a terrible art for our build. I am going to be honest, I have no idea why people think it will enhance Li Qi.
So this mean that we need to construct a labyrinth of trails. Which is a lenghty process, during which we must survive the ennemy blind strikes.
We need to hit the ennemy to be able to debuff them. To hit them mean being in range for their attacks. Which is the exact opposite of how we want to act in our darkness (aka not near the ennemy to not get hit).
ASA is a tank art. It's an art for someone that is going to run in the pack of ennemy, hit them each once to debuff them then run away, to hit them via the trail. It's the very opposite of how we act.
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We will be losing, what was it, 13 dice of pill bonuses if we take Falling Stars Art this turn? I say we take Ashen Shadow Art this turn, take a week or two to grab a couple more meridians, and then get Falling Stars Art. The turn after that or so is when we should go for the Heaven/Moon site.
- Location
- his hidden lair
So it would be DV 3- and we can essentially raise the base DV simply by improving Unarmed Mastery
As for damage- the ash fucking rips the heat out of what it touches.
In other words... I get people like FS, but stop being total fucking morons about it because this rampant fearmongering and misrepresentation at this point.
WOG- we can melee while playing with this
WOG- it's like the blood construct art Liling has but worse
FFS
For one, we actually think it will enhance Ling Qi.
While we are on the subject of having LOTS of arts that we want, how do people feel about putting spiritual cultivation on hold once we hit Mid-Yellow to make room for upgrading arts?
We are thinking of training up two Wind Arts, which means we can stack a Clear Wind Pill with a White Hart Elixir; on top of 26 dice from Mid Yellow/Silver, whatever cultivation benefit EPC gets us, and the -10 successes needed per stage, I can see us hitting finishing 3-4 stages in both arts in just a handful of actions.
What do people think?
We are thinking of training up two Wind Arts, which means we can stack a Clear Wind Pill with a White Hart Elixir; on top of 26 dice from Mid Yellow/Silver, whatever cultivation benefit EPC gets us, and the -10 successes needed per stage, I can see us hitting finishing 3-4 stages in both arts in just a handful of actions.
What do people think?
Take a break. You don't want to get more worked up and bring a threadban onto yourself.
Um... no? Pretty sure that ASA works nothing like that. Same way that the Bai's shadow-control art doesn't need them to lay down labyrinths of shadow to work.
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- his hidden lair
Yeah yeah, but still- can we please debate with facts rather than 'obviously it takes time to weave a trail of ash hence ASA is total garbage hue hue hue'
Codex
Fantasy Addict
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I'm always leery of putting physical/spiritual cultivation on hold, but as long as we're doing one of them and you have solid convincing plan I'd be fine with it.
It will proc off your unarmed damage if you arent using another weapon, yeah
Yes it will. Literally any art will do that. The problem is that it's an art that is at the very opposite of what we have as a build (aka invisible debuffer that survive by dodging and never being near attack).
Trailing shadow of ash. It trail the user. It's in the very description of the art.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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Because you're making an argument that's explicitly wrong according to the QM.
Fact: It's handsfree.
Fact: It's an inferior, element shifted analogue of Sun Liling's blood murder shroud.
Fact, it covers a huge-ass hole in our combat suite: Damage while sustaining FVM.
It does NOT require running around in circles.
Also if it DID leave a trail like that it would have murderous synergy with FSA. Activate it when the enemy closes, disengage, laugh as they can't pursue directly without charging straight into an attack and hence having no defense to it.
Does it have damage boost techniques?
Grosstoad
Birdbrain - Dick - Rules-Lawyer - Creeper
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Um, are you sure? Since damage is determined by the successes, then it should be affected by Dex now. Also, it said higher there.
Well, shooting a Technique-improved arrow is probably not Qi free.
As much as I disagree with this, I was actually only commenting on your mangled version of the player character's name.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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That's called flavor text.
The QM has explicitly stated other uses.
I mean at this point, you're literally telling the QM he's wrong about how his quest works.