Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Personally, I'm hoping it's not exactly so, if only because while I adore Meizhen, I'm also feeling the whole friendship thing as way more important to both of them than to go into that territory.

I'm also just really happy with the general tone and mostly non-shippiness focus we have period, even though I joke about Han Jian being Best Boy.

Yeah, honestly, Bai Meizhen needs a True Friend more than she needs a waifu right now.

And we can totally set ourselves up to be that.

Okay, I'm almost caught up on things, but before I am, I'm sorry. You kinda just nudged my soap box, @Andelevion. And, @Alectai, you kinda kicked it. Now, while I am a fan of Bai Meizhen (which is obvious to anyone who read my omake, I'm sure) and hoping that is a possible out come later on, I'll be fine if it doesn't. However, why do people seem to think friendship and relationship are mutually exclusive? I mean, yeah, the friendship might be the more important aspect, but my mom and dad? Best friends, and they'll have been happily married for 33 years, as of this July. I can understand being attracted to someone or having a crush on someone that isn't your friend, I've had it happen myself. However, in the case of crushes, if I found I couldn't be friends with said person, the crush died. I still found them attractive, but I was no longer attracted to them.

In fact, I can't fathom having a serious relationship with anyone I can't be friends with. So, no we shouldn't neglect being her friend, but that is completely unrelated to whether or not we become girlfriends.

Eh, while Meizhen is obvious bi-curious at the least, Ling Qi seems like she has a type and Meizhen isn't it. Also don't want to damage our friendship if it goes bad.

This is an even slighter nudge to my soap box, but the solution to this is even simpler. You agree before you start dating that your friendship with each other is the more important relationship between you, and that if the two of you find you can't make a "relationship" work, you will go back to friendship rather than let a failing relationship ruin both.

Now, maybe I could only pull this off because I'm neurologically divergent, but it makes sense to me.

On to other concerns entirely on it:

As to concerns over the ages being fairly young: This is a setting like a fantasy feudal China. At 14 to 15, you're already going to be accepting the responsibilities of adulthood. The reason adulthood is so high in modern times is due to some matters of health (Not such a concern for an immortal) and some matters of emotional and responsibility-based maturity. In this setting, we are already expected to be responsible enough to be considered something of an adult. If we were a vanilla-mortal, the physical maturity of our age would be an issue due to the possible health ramifications of baring a child at such a young age, but we're not, so it's not. As to emotions? That's the only reason our age might be something of an issue, and it's something that is becoming less of one as we learn meditation and mastery of our minds.

Besides, I have a great-aunt and uncle that were dating when they were in 7th grade. They married when they graduated, and have been married ever since. They're in there 70's or 80's now. A relationship started at a young age can work, if you're willing to put in the effort to continue learning about each other, accepting each other, and loving each other.

Now, I won't be pushing for "Push her down and have your wicked way with her," even if we do start a relationship with Meizhen, for a while. Partly because this is SV, not QQ, and partly because we are still awfully young, but you can have a romantic relationship without sexual interaction. Otherwise, my grandpa and grandma (who were married for over fifty years, until she passed away about two years ago) would not have had the romantic relationship they had the last decade.

As to Ling Qi not currently showing overt attraction to females? That's the only reason I won't be getting my hopes up even now. Because Ling Qi may not have any such leaning. Now, I hope she does, but if not, I'll accept it with good grace.

Now to get caught up on everything else.
 
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So I just had a bit of a bad thought, one that makes me think we should be a bit more aggressive then I had planned on going after the new Cultivation Site.

What if some of our pursuers actually saw it?

I think we may need to claim it sooner rather then later, before it falls off the market.
 
Earth is the element of devotion and plenty, the strong foundation which allows us to stand together in the face of our many foes. It's neighbor under the emperors system is the Mountain, representing steadfastness and immovability and endurance of hardship.

Water and Wind are next, the first represents resourcefulness, wit, and ability to adapt. The second is related, but different, where Water will wear a path through obstacles given time, Wind will flow over and through without conflict. Wind is the element of freedom, representing wanderlust and curiosity.

Lake qi is the element of joy and delight in material pleasures, but also of content and tranquility. Conversely, Thunder is an element of conflict, of ambition and new beginnings, of those who seek the initiative in all things. Where Thunder strikes the first spark so to speak, it is Fire that drives one forward afterward, aggression and passion are the hallmarks of fire.

The last of emperor's elements is Heaven, the creative force, which separates and ultimately elevates man over beast. Heaven is ingenuity and inventiveness. It manifests as lightning when channeled into the world, thought made manifest.

The five traditional elements differ in holding Wood and Metal as primary elements. Wood is an element of life and spontaneity, and overlaps with both Heaven and Wind in many ways. Metal on the other hand maps well to Mountain, though it exemplifies calm rationality over steadfast determination.
What did the woman even mean? What did she want her to shape from the clay? She was aware that earth was the element of acceptance and community, but she already knew her place in the world.
It had disappointed her in her earliest days that she had little talent for the metal arts which her Aunt made such prominent use of.
So Metal of the traditional elements has overlap with the imperial mountain which sits beside earth so logically there's also some connection between the two. I wonder if Argent Mirror and this sculpting will eventually open Meizhen to a more metallic mindset. Calm rationality fits well with the attributes the Bai pride and while I doubt this was the Elder's aim it'd be nice for Meizhen to strengthen her connection to the only positive role model in her family.
 
I think we may need to claim it sooner rather then later, before it falls off the market.
If that is the case, then it might be fruitful to bring Cai in on the whole thing. I'm pretty sure that Cai uses Heaven arts, and this site would be a huge boon for her. It would count as a major favor that we can cash in, but the problem is that it would make Cai extremely difficult to handle in the inner sect competition. It might be worth it if EPC is moon based, or if we can get some heaven/sun/moon arts.
 
So I just had a bit of a bad thought, one that makes me think we should be a bit more aggressive then I had planned on going after the new Cultivation Site.

What if some of our pursuers actually saw it?

I think we may need to claim it sooner rather then later, before it falls off the market.
If they saw it there is no way to make them keep silent about it sans killing them which we are not allowed to do.
We will just have to fight for the site in case this happened.
 
No, we're checking the two meridian arts out, not the three.

Edit: Water and Wind arts, so we'll also have a smaller selection.
Ehh, preferable Water and Wind doesn't mean Water and Wind arts. Also I wouldn't be surprised if there was a three meridians art there, though I suspect those that begin at three meridians are probably yellow+.
If that is the case, then it might be fruitful to bring Cai in on the whole thing. I'm pretty sure that Cai uses Heaven arts, and this site would be a huge boon for her. It would count as a major favor that we can cash in, but the problem is that it would make Cai extremely difficult to handle in the inner sect competition. It might be worth it if EPC is moon based, or if we can get some heaven/sun/moon arts.
Cai is probably not the best choice for it. We don't know how well she will take us using the site rather than paying us for it. Moreoever, we know we weren't followed. The only ones who have a chance to get the site are also Sun Liling/Kang Zihao/Cai Alliance too. Or Bai Meizhen/Golden Field/Ling Qi alliance.

The site is safe for now.
 
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So I just had a bit of a bad thought, one that makes me think we should be a bit more aggressive then I had planned on going after the new Cultivation Site.

What if some of our pursuers actually saw it?

I think we may need to claim it sooner rather then later, before it falls off the market.
If our pursuers saw it they still have to beat 15 grade 2 rimefur wolves, and then have a way to seal it away so nobody can find it again. Otherwise they can't actually keep us out of it, because we can roll up on the site and beat the shit out of anyone there and make use of it ourself. We were chased by a bunch of reds, they quite simply aren't capable of taking it or holding it in the short term.
 
What if some of our pursuers actually saw it?

I doubt it. We got to see and recognize it because we saw it before we saw the wolves. After that, it was just going to be a frenzy of wolf attacks where cultivators are probably focused on running away (assuming they were even hurt by the wolves rather than, say, the rabbits). Even if they did manage to recognize it, none of those elements are particularly popular or common so they might not think it's useful. And if they did think it's useful, they're Reds. If we can't manage to think about scaring up enough 2nd realms out of our friend set, which covers a surprisingly large portion of the available 2nd realms, they're definitely not going to be able to.

Lastly... I half expect that the wolf attack is going to be brought up at the next 2nd Realm Meeting by Cai Renxiang. A dozen reds running into a pack of 2nd realm spirit beasts is probably the sort of opportunity that Cai dreams for in terms of expanding her purview and bringing more of the 2nd realms into the active part of her psuedo-government, rather than passive non-interference.
 
Three meridian two elements are second floor only. Per WoG.

Which is what we should aim for, but oh well.
Well, we already had a talk about how that is not inherently better than 1 meridian second floor arts, so let's not restart it.
Lastly... I half expect that the wolf attack is going to be brought up at the next 2nd Realm Meeting by Cai Renxiang. A dozen reds running into a pack of 2nd realm spirit beasts is probably the sort of opportunity that Cai dreams for in terms of expanding her purview and bringing more of the 2nd realms into the active part of her psuedo-government, rather than passive non-interference.
Could very well happen, which could be interesting. However, I am almost certain they didn't meet the wolves. If 12 red soul had met 15 silver beast, they wouldn't just be wounded.
 
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Yeah. More likely that they ran into the rabbits and got chased off, or just got some random bad encounter while trying to track us.
 
Okay, I'm almost caught up on things, but before I am, I'm sorry. You kinda just nudged my soap box, @Andelevion. And, @Alectai, you kinda kicked it. Now, while I am a fan of Bai Meizhen (which is obvious to anyone who read my omake, I'm sure) and hoping that is a possible out come later on, I'll be fine if it doesn't. However, why do people seem to think friendship and relationship are mutually exclusive? I mean, yeah, the friendship might be the more important aspect, but my mom and dad? Best friends, and they'll have been happily married for 33 years, as of this July. I can understand being attracted to someone or having a crush on someone that isn't your friend, I've had it happen myself. However, in the case of crushes, if I found I couldn't be friends with said person, the crush died. I still found them attractive, but I was no longer attracted to them.
A relationship and a friendship aren't mutually exclusive, but nevertheless a platonic friendship and a friendship+relationship have notable differences, and there aren't merely the latter being "more" than the former.

Right now, the update suggests that (at least by our standards) Meizhen needs to learn to trust someone and to learn to let herself trust someone. In light of this, I think that a platonic friendship is a significantly better fit for her needs. Adding romance into the mix would make the friendship much more vulnerable to betrayal or the perception of betrayal, neither of which is really conducive to get Meizhen to stop thinking that no, everyone will betray her eventually.

More broadly, romance complicates everything. A lot of times, we should be willing to accept this complexity because the experience is worth it - but this is one of those cases where it isn't.
 
So I just had a bit of a bad thought, one that makes me think we should be a bit more aggressive then I had planned on going after the new Cultivation Site.

What if some of our pursuers actually saw it?

I think we may need to claim it sooner rather then later, before it falls off the market.
if anyone knows about the site, that should make us less interested in claiming the site, not more. Being first to claim such a thing doesn't actually count for anything if others know about it; even if they are worried about their reputation, they can challenge you for the site's use and the outcome would be considered legitimate by most.
 
if anyone knows about the site, that should make us less interested in claiming the site, not more. Being first to claim such a thing doesn't actually count for anything if others know about it; even if they are worried about their reputation, they can challenge you for the site's use and the outcome would be considered legitimate by most.

Eh, I don't think our friends art the type who want to play bandits - they would be happier defending a site then taking it from another. Also we can probably start thinking of setting up protective formations, or perhaps buying protective formations to help us secure it.
 
Could very well happen, which could be interesting. However, I am almost certain they didn't meet the wolves. If 12 red soul had met 15 silver beast, they wouldn't just be wounded.

I'm going to laugh if all these wounds are just from random spirits they ran into while trying to follow Ling Qi's path. For that matter, they might only have managed to follow her up the cliff and then taken the tunnel back down. TBH, Ling Qi might think it's easy enough as a Silver, but they're Golds and she spammed Trackless Escape, which might have led them off track / took them longer. And while the rest of the spirits ran away from Ling Qi, pretty sure spirit-mom's warning applied only to Ling Qi herself.
 
I'm going to laugh if all these wounds are just from random spirits they ran into while trying to follow Ling Qi's path. For that matter, they might only have managed to follow her up the cliff and then taken the tunnel back down. TBH, Ling Qi might think it's easy enough as a Silver, but they're Golds and she spammed Trackless Escape, which might have led them off track / took them longer. And while the rest of the spirits ran away from Ling Qi, pretty sure spirit-mom's warning applied only to Ling Qi herself.
That's pretty much one of the main possibility I am thinking of yeah. I think people, including Ling Qi, are under-estimating what a force multiplier cultivation is. There is a reason that while I think a arm art is not needed I still think we should begin to get to do difficult missions soon.

If my plan pass and @yrsillar gives me 2 point from omake, I want to put them in SCS so we can most likely get it to 3, which I personally think should be enough to get the full 25 points from the disappearance mission... and the arm art, if it's to level2, will be the cherry that I will use to convince other people we can do it. Because somehow people think that doing damage is needed.

I really think that if we can get those 25 we might be able to rush a archive level 3 art sooner rather than later, though that depends on our choices and stuff.
 
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Eh, I don't think our friends art the type who want to play bandits - they would be happier defending a site then taking it from another. Also we can probably start thinking of setting up protective formations, or perhaps buying protective formations to help us secure it.
That is fair.

Still, if the choice is between
  1. jumping through multiple hoops to gather enough people for a raid, then fortifying everything, then fighting off possible attackers
  2. not bothering with the site
  3. Telling Cai about it and letting her worry about things instead
I don't see option (1) as the most attractive here. Too much trouble for too little reward.
 
What? no it isn't. Have you seen our friends? They are bandits. Like, it's a utterly ridiculous assertion they wouldn't want to get those resources from enemies. Half of them have families doing that for a living, and they showed they liked doing that.

Also, let's not buy protective formations from the very people who would want to break in :((
 
What? no it isn't. Have you seen our friends? They are bandits. Like, it's a utterly ridiculous assertion they wouldn't want to get those resources from enemies. Half of them have families doing that for a living, and they showed they liked doing that.
Which friends are you thinking about? Of the ones in Yellow/Silver, I expect that Bai Meizhen and Han Jian both would be noticibly less interested in taking a resource from someone else than defending it; doing so is bad optics. Cai would almost certainly feel the same way, though I don't think we exactly count her among our friends. I suppose Gu Xiulan might not care, since she has been pretty trigger-happy so far? Maybe?
 
Which friends are you thinking about? Of the ones in Yellow/Silver, I expect that Bai Meizhen and Han Jian both would be noticibly less interested in taking a resource from someone else than defending it; doing so is bad optics. Cai would almost certainly feel the same way, though I don't think we exactly count her among our friends. I suppose Gu Xiulan might not care, since she has been pretty trigger-happy so far? Maybe?
Gu Xiulan's family specialise in mercenary appropriation of land and resources. Han Jian has been shown to be very ready to fight to defend those who are his and his temperament is more about defense, but he has also shown himself to be ready to use tricks in order to gain advantages. Bai Meizhen likewise is definitely not against appropriation of resources at all, I am not sure why you'd think that, given that she pointed out from the start that the throne is currently only to the empress because she was defending mines.

I mean, those are families that are very, very good at doing those specific things, and while some are more or less gung ho about it, some definitely love it.
 
Gu Xiulan's family specialise in mercenary appropriation of land and resources. Han Jian has been shown to be very ready to fight to defend those who are his and his temperament is more about defense, but he has also shown himself to be ready to use tricks in order to gain advantages. Bai Meizhen likewise is definitely not against appropriation of resources at all, I am not sure why you'd think that, given that she pointed out from the start that the throne is currently only to the empress because she was defending mines.
Where does it say that Gu Xiulan's family specializes in "mercenary appropriation of land and resources"? I remember hearing that it was somewhat mercantile, but not really anything going as far as what you are saying.

Han Jian has shown himself ready to use tricks when necessary, but that doesn't suggest he would be willing to join an aggressive attack against a peer. He seems to be pretty big on managing things socially, and such an attack has poor-ish optics. I'm not saying there is much evidence either way, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he felt worse about attacking someone than defending a resource he already had.

Bai Meizhen has indeed pointed out that the throne is only held by dint of power, but I don't see why that would make you think she is okay with attacking others for resources?
 
Where does it say that Gu Xiulan's family specializes in "mercenary appropriation of land and resources"? I remember hearing that it was somewhat mercantile, but not really anything going as far as what you are saying.

Han Jian has shown himself ready to use tricks when necessary, but that doesn't suggest he would be willing to join an aggressive attack against a peer. He seems to be pretty big on managing things socially, and such an attack has poor-ish optics. I'm not saying there is much evidence either way, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if he felt worse about attacking someone than defending a resource he already had.

Bai Meizhen has indeed pointed out that the throne is only held by dint of power, but I don't see why that would make you think she is okay with attacking others for resources?
I'll bring up the various quotes:
"Oh do stop that," Gu Xiulan replied dryly, not turning around. "You soft central cultivators do so love your pretensions, but let us not seriously entertain the notion that you would not be taking spoils in our place."

She sniffed, somehow managing to sound haughty despite the obvious pain she was in. "A token of victory is hardly the same as the robbery you sand dwelling bandits engage in," she replied just as coldly. "Get on with it."
Gu Xiulan scowled, and the air warmed slightly. "My esteemed ancestors actions may have been necessary, but they were hardly without ill effect. Much of Golden Fields remains an ashen wasteland to this day, and in the first millennia after the event the surviving houses of the province… struggled to stay competitive with the rest of the empire," she crossed her arms again. "Of course, my family has worked long and hard to ensure that we are no longer poor vagrants scrabbling among ruins, so such words betray the speaker's lack of knowledge and poor education."
"Gu…" Bai Meizhen deliberated. "From the Golden Fields?" She asked curiously. At Ling Qi's nod, she made a considering sound. "That is a good family, if one that has lost much, and regressed somewhat into… mercantilism," she added with a slight disdainful twist of her lips. "Acceptable, do you know where she resides then?"
Most of it went over her head, beyond a vague understanding that Gu Xiulan's father was overseeing a major expansion into 'lost lands'. Bai Meizhen only spoke a little of her own home, there was something about pearl exports and new island outposts, and a need for good steel…
Gu Xiulan's family is about raiding and stealing and expanding back their power. Bai Meizhen dislikes some part of it as uncouth, but that is in part due to her own father, and in part because she is more direct.

This is not gentle people who think that the first person to touch something owns it. They don't mind Cai Renxiang flat out saying that might make rights, and have shown again and again that they would do the same. Some of them like Gu Xiulan are only not bandits because they are strong enough to say they are not bandits, and some other like Bai Meizhen are only not bandits because they have been strong enough to define bandits as "people who are not us".

Han Jian would feel worse about attacking a resource from someone else rather than defending one, most probably, but he would only feel worse insofar as that's not optimal, and not anything more than that.
 
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