Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
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I mean does it really hurt to at least try to negotiate, when negotiating might well be the easiest path in the long term, if not the most obvious?
Because it sounds like otherwise we are gonna have to gather up most of the top flight people from our class and convince everyone to share or some such, which just sounds like a massive pain in the neck and would probably still require us to get to Late Yellow/Early Green anyway.
I figure, spend time getting up in Spiritual cultivation, and keep an eye on the place. I figure if we have problems alone and with our closest group that means no other group is going to be able to either so it should keep.
Get to Late Yellow, then head up there and introduce ourselves politely, maybe bring Meizhen as backup in case we need to skedaddle. Sound the wolves out, see if they are willing to even talk.
We may also want to ask Su Ling because she might know more about Rimefur's.
Because it sounds like otherwise we are gonna have to gather up most of the top flight people from our class and convince everyone to share or some such, which just sounds like a massive pain in the neck and would probably still require us to get to Late Yellow/Early Green anyway.
I figure, spend time getting up in Spiritual cultivation, and keep an eye on the place. I figure if we have problems alone and with our closest group that means no other group is going to be able to either so it should keep.
Get to Late Yellow, then head up there and introduce ourselves politely, maybe bring Meizhen as backup in case we need to skedaddle. Sound the wolves out, see if they are willing to even talk.
We may also want to ask Su Ling because she might know more about Rimefur's.
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We can't assume that anyway as that still ignore we'll have the art learned. cultivating action don't just disappear because we aren't using its result right now, or else that would mean any physical/spiritual/meridian actions don't count unless they get us a new level/have another art already learned.
Someone mentioned a nice theory that given the wofl's thematic link to the moon, maybe learning EPC will let us negociate to them more easily.
Also, all the people saying we can't run away from beasts? We just ran away from 12 Grade 2 beasts.
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Given how many wolves there are here, I expect them to be pretty good at hunting - you'd need a lot of beast cores to tempt them. Given that beast cores are basically money - just how much are you willing to pay here?
I grant that matters would be far easier by Green, but keep in mind that we probably aren't going to break through for a looooong time. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we were on our way to the Inner sect by the time we broke though to Green, at which point we wouldn't even be able to go to this site in the first place.
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Ooh that would be interesting. I could see it worth a try.
And since we can definitively run away from them in close-ish proximity right now, I see little that this actually costs us except breath and time.
TheLastOne
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But now that we've broken through to the middle silver, we're going to be directing our overflow to spiritual in general. We want to cultivate as much of physical with Marrow Elixir as possible to grow our qi, but we don't get the same bonus with spiritual, so we don't lose out when we send overflow to spiritual the same way we do with physical. So Spiritual should grow apace anyways.
I assume that 4-5 meridians means that you guys are planning to use all 5 major actions on clearing 5 meridians consecutively? Maybe even take two minors and turn them into a sixth major action?
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but in order for us to get there we'll be rolling (minimum)...
Talent 6, Suyin 2, RSS 2, YSS 25, Argent 7, Pill 8 (channel + sable light). 50 dice. This is assuming that EPC is inferior to Argent Soul and we'll have switched Argent Soul in to maximize our dice and that we won't have found a location that aids in clearing meridians or more medicine that gives bonuses to meridians.
What exactly is the cutoff when it comes to a 'safe' meridian roll? 25?
BungieONI
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Yeah Early Green is our best level to do it in terms of negotiating power on a personal level but it takes a really long time, however I figure we can actually come to some kind of agreement when we are Mid Yellow or Late Yellow, especially if we bring Meizhen along who should be Green in a few weeks.
My logic here is that I see no real reason not to give it a try. If it fails, we can just gather a group and kill them, our progress towards buffing up to be able to negotiate with the wolves helping with that.
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I think Arkeus is operating on the assumption that if we can't slot it the auto-train will go to opening the needed meridian.
Almost certain that Meridians don't work that way. Pretty sure "Open first spine meridian" and "Open second spine meridian" works just like "Open arm meridian" and "open leg meridian".
Arkeus
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Well... What I want, personally, to do, but will have to fight people for a long time, is wait until we are late/late. So we roll something like:
Talent 6+ Meizhen 5? + RSS 5 + YSS 25 + Argent 7 + Pill 13 (highsun, channel, sable light). This brings us to 61 dice + 2 auto-success with pills we already have.
This means that would be an average roll of 35.
So, yeah, the cutt off point before we need to use Sable Light + Highsun is 30 meridians. Realistically, we are almost certainly going to settle for less, but I don't want to have to decide to settle for less before we get close to the deadline.
When we get to vote for the art in question from the choices Yrsillar give us we can definitely choose to open a meridian instead, but given our rolls and pills for the week it's almost certainly more efficient to learn it and then open a meridian for it next week, especially as we aren't getting an event.
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TheLastOne
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I would say 60% chance of failure is a cutoff, as a small failure actually does still benefit us - it lowers the difficulty of future Meridian rolls to open that Meridian.
Yes, it hurts to negotiate. For one thing, it puts us at risk - I don't want to get anywhere close to the middle of a pack of a dozen+ grade-2 enemies. I think we will probably be able to run away fine, but I can't say I'm sure; thus, it is a risk.
For another thing, it costs us an action. Is trying to figure out what the wolves think (and immediately failing if it turns out they don't feel like talking) worth as much as e.g. introducing ourselves to Xuan Shi, or figuring out what is going on with Huang Da, or reinforcing one of our current friendships?
If I thought we had a good chance of getting the site in exchange for something we'd be willing to pay, I'd be okay with paying the above costs - but the wolves have already chased us off once, and I somehow doubt they'd be more amenable to talk on a second encounter. Even if they were willing to talk, I find it doubtful that we have anything said wolves would particularly want - and if we do, I expect that it wouldn't be something we would be willing to give up.
I'd be up for bringing the wolves up to Su Ling; she might be able to give us ideas about how to deal with them.
TheLastOne
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Pretty sure that was already answered, but it's now getting hard to find some of @yrsillar rulings.
If we spend multiple actions of opening a meridian, say a spine meridian, does that work like a normal cultivation roll where we get the Time Bonus of +1/2 dice, or do we get two separate meridian rolls?
Eh revenge is liable to leave her without purpose, and sitting on the listless extreme she pivots between with the other being her hyper focused lust for revenge. I mean in theory she'll focus on repaying Ling Qi for all the help provided to her, but seeing as she lacks any immediate method to do so... it will all too easy for the other emotional extreme she pivots between to win out.
There isn't any easy way to handle this, but it would be wise to avoid rushing things, and focus on being a moderating influence on Suyin. Also wait for an opportunity that allows Ling Qi to nudge Suyin into either interacting with someone new in a positive manner, or missions that to the same. If Xuan is someone of a scholarly nature similar to Suyin his social link might prove one such opportunity for the former, and an actual government like Cai is aiming to set up would provide more missions than the Argent Sect.
Actually now that I think about it if Suyin was able formalize her observations on the Red Soul stage she'd basically be worth as many resources as needed to Cai because that would make for excellent incentive for all the below average talent cultivators to seriously contribute toward Cai's government.
Given how out of it Ling Qi is while cultivating doing so would be a bad idea unless she has a spirit who can guard her while she is cultivating. Frankly even if it was possible I suspect they'd only accept payment in the blood of her fellow disciples, and it would be more along the lines of her becoming a member of their pack with all the expectations that involves.
Although if we want access to the Starlit Meadow in the next turn or two the most likely route to work would be to inform Bai Meizhen who can turn it into a challenge with Cai Renxiang over who can kill the peak tier 2 spirit beast first, and allow Cai to turn it into a "trust" building exercises between the various tier 2 cultivators with the primary reward being anyone who participates has free access to the site, or however she wants to gather a sufficient number of cultivators to take on the weaker wolves.
pheonix89
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We're not trying to open a singular meridian.
We're trying open two meridians of the same type. Important difference.
I think we want to get there sooner rather than later, though.
I also especially like the idea of extra Spiritual Cultivation right now since it takes advantage of the AS5 bonus which we won't have next turn.
It still takes an action and everything. Though I suppose if we talk to Su Ling and she says that we have a chance we could go for it.
TheLastOne
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I suspect the wolves are actually not completely unbeatable by Han Jian + us. It was given as a hunting option, and yrsillar usually doesn't offer true trap options. I think it would be a hard fight, but we could do it. Of course, if anyone got seriously hurt it might damage our relationship with them. We might ask Meizhen, she could tell us what we would need to bring for that kind of fight, but I don't think she cultivates any technique that would benefit, so I don't want to ask her. Not enough benefit for her, and I would rather spend those kinds of favors elsewhere.
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Well from how I read the update we got pretty close to them and still outran them, plus if we get to Mid Yellow say, the range we can get closer and still run away contracts as well as we increase SCS.
As to action costs, well when you compare it to attacking them with a group, that seems like a series of actions to convince everyone compared to one action for going to talk.
Really though I don't rate this as very important right now (it's basically a shiny novelty to me, this negotiating idea) so I'll drop out of this discussion for the moment. Got other things I want to do.
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What are you referring to?
The beasts are sentient; they know that a cultivator may very well be a serous threat. I wouldn't be surprised if they prepared a surprise for Ling Qi the next time she came around.
TheLastOne
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This.
So this is something he could see us doing easily, even knowing the beasts are second grade. As such, I suspect it's actually doable with just them and us, but probably at the edge of reasonably doable. Risky, but not stupidly risky. So wait for one or two more breakthroughs in the group, and it should be solid.