Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

I think proving herself useful to Ling Qi in a major way would also be of major benefit.
Yes, I agree. But as long as she is focused on revenge, she won't be looking for ways to pay us back. I think that she is in the mindset of "after I get revenge, I can start paying Ling Qi back." That's just my personal opinion, but based upon our interactions with her so far, that opinion hasn't been debunked.
 
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Getting Armed has an action to make Suyin study too. It's not specific to your plan.

Huh, but it's also doing the Xuilan action, and closed door... did he add up his actions correctly?

Ah, it's his attached action.

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Doesn't change the fact that giving that pill is a terrible idea. It reinforces everything we need to be moving away from in that relationship.
 
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Exactly. People are different. Meizhen had something that needed our help with. We don't need Suyin's help. Theres pretty much just the vague longterm healer!friend idea that's been passed around.

Sorry dude, but I honestly have no idea what you're getting at. Thought it was something about how giving the pill to Suyin might or might not negatively affect her mental state but judging by the last half of you're message that's not the case. Mind elaborating?
 
[X] Plan Preparing for Learning
-[X] Use One Highsun Pill, One Darkmoon Pill, 1 Snowy Peak Pill, 2 Red Stones, 1 Yellow Stone
-[X] Buy and use Channel Cleansing Pill (2 Red Spirit Stones), Qi Expansion Pill (2 Red Spirit Stones), Bear Marrow Elixir (4 Red Spirit Stones), White Hart Elixir (6 Red Spirit Stones), Steady Growth Pill (8 Spirit stones)
-[X] Overflow to Spiritual
-[X] Major Actions
--[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
---[X] Arm Meridian
--[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
---[X] Spine Meridian
--[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
---[X] Sable Crescent Step
---[X] Mention your theory that Argent Mirror part of a set of four, and ask if she thinks it might be right, and if so, it's worthwhile to try and search for the others.
--[X] Look into the attacks as Cai Renxiang asked you too.
--[X] Cultivate on Your Own
---[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
-[X] Minor Actions
--[X] Take the time to do something fun with Gu Xiulan, you had noticed her looking down toward the end of the week
--[X] Li Suyin is doing better, coax her out into studying, and talk to her about her plans
--[X] Approach Xuan Shi in the archive. He is the only member of the council aside from Kang Zihao that you haven't had any real interaction with
I wanted to air my concerns about this plan proposal.

Primarily, I'm unhappy with how inefficient it is with our pill use:
  • We are using a Highsun pill to help with only two meridian actions, and without needing the help to succeed at that (so basically, the bonus all just goes into overflow).
  • We are using a Snowy Peak pill to also help with only two arts, and without the Starlight Elixir it is highly unlikely for SCS to actually break through.
It seems wasteful.
 
I wanted to air my concerns about this plan proposal.

Primarily, I'm unhappy with how inefficient it is with our pill use:
  • We are using a Highsun pill to help with only two meridian actions, and without needing the help to succeed at that (so basically, the bonus all just goes into overflow).
  • We are using a Snowy Peak pill to also help with only two arts, and without the Starlight Elixir it is highly unlikely for SCS to actually break through.
It seems wasteful.

What makes snowy peak great is that it's one of the few pills that can aid cultivating eight phase ceremoncy, but I also would sort of like to save it for using with more arts. Still, I'm pretty sure all the other plans are also using it - people what to grow Eight Phase fast, so if I don't use it one of the other plans do will. So yes, I agree it should be saved. But it won't be.

If I'm using Snowy Peak, I need to cultivate at least two arts to maximize it's bonus for Qi rolls. And we've already gotten plans suggested last turn that used the Highsun pill for 0-1 Meridian, use it basically just to proc the Physical Cultivation Roll. I would prefer to use it for at least three, but I can't this turn without going closed door. I want to talk to Meizhen - to see if our QM is willing to give us that quest, we need to ask first. I don't want to neglect Xuilan, we've just gotten all our relationships out of the fire.

That means if I went closed door I would have to drop the Suyin action, and too many voters won't vote for an action that doesn't include Suyin. She's been Wifu'd, so having to take care of her is a fact of life. I think she's stable right now - we could come back to her in a turn or two, but I know no plan without her has a chance of winning. So no closed door.
 
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Sorry dude, but I honestly have no idea what you're getting at. Thought it was something about how giving the pill to Suyin might or might not negatively affect her mental state but judging by the last half of you're message that's not the case. Mind elaborating?
That was the point. Although I'll try to make more sense. If we give the pill to Suyin she'll feel more in debt to us than she already does. Unlike the situation where we felt in debt to Meizhen there's nothing Suyin can conveniently help us with in the short term. Given that, the only thing that seems viable is her helping us out sometime with the healing skills she's developing. Pill-making down the line possibly?
 
Right now, I'm confused with people's desire to get to know Xuan more. It seems to me that people are wanting to base a friendship/training buddy relationship with him for the major purpose of getting to know formations more. I just don't see that working out. We have few coinciding interests, we know he likes books and is a major formations buff, but that is about it. His vague and poetic style of speech is annoying to me, and we have nothing to offer him. He does not seem to indulge in social interactions all that much and seems to prefer it that way.

If people are going to try and get a friendship with him to learn formations, then I wouldn't bother with the action. Stick to Li Suyin, and use the archives pass. Pay up the sect points for week long formations lesson, but don't try to base a relationship around the possibility that the relationship will give us formation lessons when we have nothing to give him in return.

We could give him pills, but he can buy those, he has a larger allowance of spirit stones because of care packages that would be sent to him by his family, and I don't want to give him accesses to any of the sites that we have found. The sites so far are our largest bargaining chip and something that we should hold dear to our hearts, as it is the only resource we can consistently use and allows us to have an advantage over other cultivators.

If people just want to expand our social circle, then that's fine, but I'm personally fine with the social circle we have got right now. We have three "good" friends, one of which is in serious trouble emotionally. We are making inroads to have Lady Cai as a possible social action, which might or might not go anywhere.

We already have someone who can help us with our formations knowledge, and I like her character. I think that need to spend a lot of time with her in order to help her out of the hole that has been dug by her and our actions, but I appreciate her for being the only one among our friends who will experience the same thing we will, our mortal family dying in a blink of an eye. All the other friends we have made won't have that happening to them, they will have support structures and families to return to soon enough and will have them for quite a while yet. Suyin and us, on the other hand, either has no support structure, or the support structure will die very soon (relatively).

Other than the possible formation lessons from Xuan, I don't see a need or want to expand our social circle to include him at the moment (or ever). He is smart, talented, and is going to be a competitor for the inner discipleship. Whether that is from the production side of the competition or the combat side, I don't know nor do I particularly care. I'm sure he is a good guy, but I don't see us making friends with him to just be friends with him.

And before people start screaming that I'm a hypocrite for wanting to keep Han Jian and co around for training, even though we don't really give them anything, or that we approached Han Jian for friendship based purely on our need to have a large group to protect us when we couldn't offer anything in return, I would like to point out significant stark differences.

We approached Han Jian's group because we needed a large group to protect us and help us get our bearings and feet on the ground. After that, we provided solid assistance in helping them clear the first trial of Zhou's test with minimal effort, and have then subsequently provided the elixirs to them as another gesture of appreciation. We are now helping them hunt, and also we will be able to help Han Jian and Co with their problems, once they figure out they can ask us. None of this is the case with Xuan as we don't need him to help us, nor do we have anything we can do to help trade knowledge for knowledge (like what sparked our friendship with Li Suyin).

All of this is to say that if people are wanting to have Xuan as a friend and willing to expend the effort to enlarge our social circle then that's fine. But if you are wanting to expend the effort to enlarge our social circle to include Xuan for the reason of getting more formation lessons, there will be a lot of problems with getting him to be our friend. Remember, Yrsillar doesn't make one-dimensional characters, Xuan will most likely have nuance and personality and may not appreciate an offer of friendship for formation lessons.
 
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That was the point. Although I'll try to make more sense. If we give the pill to Suyin she'll feel more in debt to us than she already does. Unlike the situation where we felt in debt to Meizhen there's nothing Suyin can conveniently help us with in the short term. Given that, the only thing that seems viable is her helping us out sometime with the healing skills she's developing. Pill-making down the line possibly?

My problem with that is she obviously feels uncomfortable taking all these handouts and would rather try to stand on her own. Give her a pill for her to figure out how to recreate it? Sure. She'd love that. Give one to her for charity when simply giving her an art had made it hard for her to meet Ling Qi's gaze? She's already uncomfortable with the amount that she perceives as 'owing us. That pill would likely be an even greater burden on her psyche.
 
Right now, I'm confused with people's desire to get to know Xuan more. It seems to me that people are wanting to base a friendship/training buddy relationship with him for the major purpose of getting to know formations more. I just don't see that working out. We have few coinciding interests, we know he likes books and is a major formations buff, but that is about it. His vague and poetic style of speech is annoying to me, and we have nothing to offer him. He does not seem to indulge in social interactions all that much and seems to prefer it that way.

If people are going to try and get a friendship with him to learn formations, then I wouldn't bother with the action. Stick to Li Suyin, and use the archives pass. Pay up the sect points for week long formations lesson, but don't try to base a relationship around the possibility that the relationship will give us formation lessons when we have nothing to give him in return.

We could give him pills, but he can buy those, he has a larger allowance of spirit stones because of care packages that would be sent to him by his family, and I don't want to give him accesses to any of the sites that we have found. The sites so far are our largest bargaining chip and something that we should hold dear to our hearts, as it is the only resource we can consistently use and allows us to have an advantage over other cultivators.

If people just want to expand our social circle, then that's fine, but I'm personally fine with the social circle we have got right now. We have three "good" friends, one of which is in serious trouble emotionally. We are making inroads to have Lady Cai as a possible social action, which might or might not go anywhere.

We already have someone who can help us with our formations knowledge, and I like her character. I think that need to spend a lot of time with her in order to help her out of the hole that has been dug by her and our actions, but I appreciate her for being the only one among our friends who will experience the same thing we will, our mortal family dying in a blink of an eye. All the other friends we have made won't have that happening to them, they will have support structures and families to return to soon enough and will have them for quite a while yet. Suyin and us, on the other hand, either has no support structure, or the support structure will die very soon (relatively).

Other than the possible formation lessons from Xuan, I don't see a need or want to expand our social circle to include him at the moment (or ever). He is smart, talented, and is going to be a competitor for the inner discipleship. Whether that is from the production side of the competition or the combat side, I don't know nor do I particularly care. I'm sure he is a good guy, but I don't see us making friends with him to just be friends with him.

And before people start screaming that I'm a hypocrite for wanting to keep Han Jian and co around for training, even though we don't really give them anything, or that we approached Han Jian for friendship based purely on our need to have a large group to protect us when we couldn't offer anything in return, I would like to point out significant stark differences.

We approached Han Jian's group because we needed a large group to protect us and help us get our bearings and feet on the ground. After that, we provided solid assistance in helping them clear the first trial of Zhou's test with minimal effort, and have then subsequently provided the elixirs to them as another gesture of appreciation. We are now helping them hunt, and also we will be able to help Han Jian and Co with their problems, once they figure out they can ask us. None of this is the case with Xuan as we don't need him to help us, nor do we have anything we can do to help trade knowledge for knowledge (like what sparked our friendship with Li Suyin).

All of this is to say that if people are wanting to have Xuan as a friend and willing to expend the effort to enlarge our social circle then that's fine. But if you are wanting to expend the effort to enlarge our social circle to include Xuan for the reason of getting more formation lessons, there will be a lot of problems with getting him to be our friend. Remember, Yrsillar doesn't make one-dimensional characters, Xuan will most likely have nuance and personality and may not appreciate an offer of friendship for formation lessons.

I want to know him because he's a rival for the inner sect. I would rather he be a friendly rival rather then a mean one, and I want to know what he's about because he's one of the characters who has a good chance of sticking around. Though to be honest, he's the first action I would drop if something better is proposed.
 
What makes snowy peak great is that it's one of the few pills that can aid cultivating eight phase ceremoncy, but I also would sort of like to save it for using with more arts. Still, I'm pretty sure all the other plans are also using it - people what to grow Eight Phase fast, so if I don't use it one of the other plans do will. So yes, I agree it should be saved. But it won't be.
Plan Double Mission and Study Formations doesn't use the pill. The Armed plan uses it, but it cultivates our new art as well, so it gets the bonus to 3 arts while your Prepared only gets it to 2.

If I'm using Snowy Peak, I need to cultivate at least two arts to maximize it's bonus for Qi rolls. And we've already gotten plans suggested last turn that used the Highsun pill for 0-1 Meridian, use it basically just to proc the Physical Cultivation Roll.
Last turn, we needed to proc an extra Physical roll to get to Mid Silver. We aren't in that situation anymore, so neglecting a pill's other bonuses for the free action is wasteful.
 
This plan ain't officially ready, I'm still tweaking it.

[ ] Plan CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION

[ ] Resources: 3 Red Stones, 1 Yellow Stone, 1 Sable Light Pill, 1 Qi Expansion Pill, 1 Starlight Elixir, 1 Highsun Pill, 1 Darkmoon Pill
[ ] Purchase Resources to use: 1 Channel Cleansing Pill (2 stones), 1 Bear Marrow Elixir (4 stones), Steady Growth Pill (8 stones)


Major Actions

[] Visit the Archive
-[] search for arm arts (heaven, moon, wind, water, earth, darkness or fire)
-[] Approach Xuan Shi in the archive. He is the only member of the council aside from Kang Zihao that you haven't had any real interaction with. Ask him if he'd be interested in doing the Investigate Disappearances job with you.

[] Take a job
-[] Investigate Disappearances
--[] If Xuan Shi is unwilling, then:

[] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
-[] New Arm Art

[] Look into the attacks as Cai Renxiang asked you too.

[] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
-[] Meridian (Spine)

[] Train with Bai Meizhen
-[] SCS

Minor actions:

[] Take the time to do something fun with Gu Xiulan, you had noticed her looking down toward the end of the week
[] Li Suyin is doing better, coax her out into studying, and talk to her about her plans
[] Spend more time with Su Ling, learning harvesting techniques and getting to know the girl better


The logic of this is pretty easy to grasp ICly, I have no idea what the efficiency of this plan is beyond 'throw as many pills as appear to be relevant at our cultivation.'

So, here it is, the gambling plan: If we can get to Xuan Shi to work with us, we can do the investigate disappearances job with (currently) the person best suited to it. The arm arts are literally every single element that I have seen people express an interest in (darkness is my favorite as I suspect it's what would permit larceny actions, but first stage archive access, so mweh, maybe not)

Taking a break from EPC - I know that's a deal-killer for most people, but on a week where so many pills are being blown I'm not sure I'm willing to bet that 5th level Argent Soul is inferior to 1st level EPC. Also, action economy.

The meridian is being cultivated for SCS. SCS was something we promised to show Bai Meizhen so here it's being shown to her and the spine meridian is to accommodate it.

With the Zhou Test Token Stuff + Sable light pill we should be getting two additional physical cultivation rolls, 1 additional spiritual cultivation roll, and 2 additional qi expansion rolls. I am not sure if the Darkmoon Pill can be used on the qi expansion rolls to trigger the spiritual cultivation roll, but again, I am pretty bad at figuring out pills. Steady Growth and Bear Marrow are the most obvious purchases I saw that apply to a lot of our bonus rolls. I assume all Overflow should head into Spiritual.

This took a ridiculous amount of time, I have no idea how wasteful it is, but it has convinced me that all y'all who make plans all the time deserve a round of applause I don't even want to bother number-crunching all this. :V
 
I want to know him because he's a rival for the inner sect. I would rather he be a friendly rival rather then a mean one, and I want to know what he's about because he's one of the characters who has a good chance of sticking around. Though to be honest, he's the first action I would drop if something better is proposed.
And I'm fine with that. I personally don't think he will be a mean rival, based off of the limited information we have from Meizhen that he isn't aggressive, but it could be useful to have another friendly rival for the inner sect position. I don't think we need to learn about him though and become friends with him in order to make sure he is a friendly rival. As long as we don't tick him off we should be fine on that front.

In all honesty, I would rather have the spend time with Han Jian and flesh out our understanding of noble politics. It solidifies our relationship with Han Jian, and it is possible that he opens up to us and asks for our help in dealing with a problem that he is having.

Or spend time with Su Ling, getting to know various harvesting techniques better. If our major source of income is hunting and selling beast cores, it would behoove us to know how to do it properly.
 
[X] Plan Getting Armed

i would rather train physical and Argent mirror then archive and mission but you can't get everything...
 
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Plan Double Mission and Study Formations doesn't use the pill. The Armed plan uses it, but it cultivates our new art as well, so it gets the bonus to 3 arts while your Prepared only gets it to 2.


Last turn, we needed to proc an extra Physical roll to get to Mid Silver. We aren't in that situation anymore, so neglecting a pill's other bonuses for the free action is wasteful.

Armed does three by doing closed door cultivation, which I've already gone into why I won't.

Double Mission barely cultivates, only one cultivation action.
 
The logic of this is pretty easy to grasp ICly, I have no idea what the efficiency of this plan is beyond 'throw as many pills as appear to be relevant at our cultivation.'
The Sable Light Pill is our "get past the normal 2nd-Stage meridian limit" pill. We want to use it once we've unlocked the usage of 3 yellow stones and opened all of the meridians we safely could at that level; this way, we get another four or five meridians on top of what we'd normally be able to have, presumably letting us contend for nicer breakthrough bonuses.

Using the pill here and now is... well.
3 Red Stones, 1 Yellow Stone
We can only use 2 red stones.
 
I hope we finish EPC this turn.
We need 11 successes in order to get EPC done. I think we should be able to make it with the Snowy Peak Pill.

Talent + Pills + Stones
6 + 18 + 5 = 29

That means on average we should get about 14 successes, with a little leeway due to rerolling ones. So, unless we get a bad roll, we should be able to make it.
 
The Sable Light Pill is our "get past the normal 2nd-Stage meridian limit" pill. We want to use it once we've unlocked the usage of 3 yellow stones and opened all of the meridians we safely could at that level; this way, we get another four or five meridians on top of what we'd normally be able to have, presumably letting us contend for nicer breakthrough bonuses.

Using the pill here and now is... well.

We can only use 2 red stones.

As I said, if we don't try to use these pills at least ok, people will keep pushing plans in terrible ways.

And I'm fine with that. I personally don't think he will be a mean rival, based off of the limited information we have from Meizhen that he isn't aggressive, but it could be useful to have another friendly rival for the inner sect position. I don't think we need to learn about him though and become friends with him in order to make sure he is a friendly rival. As long as we don't tick him off we should be fine on that front.

In all honesty, I would rather have the spend time with Han Jian and flesh out our understanding of noble politics. It solidifies our relationship with Han Jian, and it is possible that he opens up to us and asks for our help in dealing with a problem that he is having.

Or spend time with Su Ling, getting to know various harvesting techniques better. If our major source of income is hunting and selling beast cores, it would behoove us to know how to do it properly.

If I switch it to the Han Jian or Su Ling action, would you support my plan?
 
And we've already gotten plans suggested last turn that used the Highsun pill for 0-1 Meridian, use it basically just to proc the Physical Cultivation Roll.
This is the third time you've mentioned this, but I'd like to point out the fact that it lost last turn, and precisely the reason you've outlined is among the reasons. This doesn't strike me as a reasonable concern. The majority of posters and, more relevantly, plan drafters are aware of the differences between meridian cultivation and other forms of cultivation and the unique importance of significant medicinal aids to clearing meridians because of those differences. Trying to use the resources faster so they can't be wasted, which is unlikely to actually occur, is counterproductive.
 
Exactly. People are different. Meizhen had something that needed our help with. We don't need Suyin's help. Theres pretty much just the vague longterm healer!friend idea that's been passed around.
We do need Suyin's help though? It's not even about vague longterm healer!friend plans, though those are nice too. It's that Suyin has been helping us a shit ton. She's a high potential possible formation expert/healer with high intellect and she gives a wide-range of help to us every week.

Now, the issue is she doesn't see it that way, but the best way for this to change is letting her have opportunities to help us. Last week she did so with the token formations (won us one action by doing this), and giving her the Qi Foundation Pill is to help her get to Yellow faster with more solid foundation and help us more then. The better her foundation and quicker she get to yellow, and the quicker she can do things that she herself believes counter the scales.

Also, I like Ling Qi being a good friend. That's why I have the Gu Xiulan and the Li Suyin actions, and why I have the pill for Li Suyin. Sure, it might not help her emotional state, the Qi Foundation Pill, but I believe it will help her get better faster than not getting it.

I'm also kind of in the fringe her in believing she is a very high potential character that can be a key long term ally both for healing, formation, and even combat to some measure.

If enough people who are in doubt about voting for my plan want me to take out the Qi Foundation Pill gift I will, but when it comes down to it we aren't going to use it, and every week we wait before gifting it is making it less likely we'll be able to find anyone worth our time that's not yet at either Yellow or Silver.
 
This is the third time you've mentioned this, but I'd like to point out the fact that it lost last turn, and precisely the reason you've outlined is among the reasons. This doesn't strike me as a reasonable concern. The majority of posters and, more relevantly, plan drafters are aware of the differences between meridian cultivation and other forms of cultivation and the unique importance of significant medicinal aids to clearing meridians because of those differences. Trying to use the resources faster so they can't be wasted, which is unlikely to actually occur, is counterproductive.

Considering @Arkeus was suggesting subbing out the Starlight pill for the Highsun pill, and his plans pass reasonable often, I don't think that's a fair objection at all.
 
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