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Briefvoice said:
Dat Amarki Income!!!! Seriously, that can't be coming easily. That's insane. I actually worry about the stability of their government. Sure the Amarki people like a good fight, but sooner or later the population is going to wonder why they have to sacrifice like they're in a war so that their government can have the satisfaction of having the biggest space dick.
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Yeah. I'm also surprised at how relatively weak the UEG is. I think we should give them an option to grab a resource colony after how badly they got gutted in the war.
 
Briefvoice said:
Hey @OneirosTheWriter I know you're updating a million things, but really looking forward to finding out those juicy new Admiral bonii!
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Admiralty bonuses:
Admiral Hikaru Sulu - All Captain's Log entries are ended with 'Oh my~'.
Admiral Patricia Chen - At the start of any Snakepit vote you have the option of starting a colossal political scandal.
Vice Admiral Scott Linderley - All 'Well, They Try' entries will have Warren Zevon's Lawyer's Guns and Money included as a backing track.
Vice Admiral Sirvk - BR costs reduced by 2% as the Vulcan saves on weight by jettisoning those unimportant rec facilities.
Vice Admiral Pathe Lathriss - You've been knighted.
 
Briefvoice said:
Dat Amarki Income!!!! Seriously, that can't be coming easily. That's insane. I actually worry about the stability of their government. Sure the Amarki people like a good fight, but sooner or later the population is going to wonder why they have to sacrifice like they're in a war so that their government can have the satisfaction of having the biggest space dick.
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There's a certain post-9/11 style politicking going on (hey, it's better than a Patriot Act), but also a gamble that they can make it back by having a heavy enough/successful enough investment in the Gabriel.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][CAL] Lobby the Council (Andorians can serve as emergency responders to failed event responses in Caldonian space (-15pp)
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Pick three ships to give +1 Crew Rating: Courageous, Odyssey, Tarrak
 
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[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]

[X][CAL] Lobby the Council (Andorians can serve as emergency responders to failed event responses in Caldonian space (-15pp)

[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)

[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp

[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br

[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers

[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer

[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion

[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Courageous, Odyssey, Tarrak

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Updated vote.
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[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Odyssey
-[X] Sarek
-[X] Courageous
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] USS Courageous, USS Sarek, USS Odyssey
 
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I feel member world overcommitment to Gabriel could unlock a Southern Strategy for the Cardassians. Not that UE to GBZ would automatically do that, but to explain:

The original 4 member fleets are our deep strategic reserve in case of war with the Cardassians. We're also relying on our new member and affiliate fleets to hold the line, because Starfleet garrisons aren't big enough outside the GBZ.

Now, the Apiata have increased their GBZ commitment. A third the Amarki navy (half their good cruisers at least) are committed. The Cats are sending almost a third of their strength.

We've spoken on the vulnerability of the Lapycorias/Indoria/Rethelia triangle thanks to its proximity to Cardassian space and to the distance to reinforcement from Ferasa or Amarki (Apinae is better but the Cardassians would be foolish not to tie them up).

Deplete the member fleets enough and a flanking thrust from Lecarre (likely) or possibly Dawiar (remote) space becomes viable, which would occupy the Caitian Grand Fleet, the Qloathi fleet, and remove an entire vector of reinforcement for the Indorian triangle. We'd have to reinforce against a southern push from our original four, which could delay response to an attack on Lapycorias/Indoria/Rethelia until too late. The Cardassians could easily ignore forces in the Gabriel in exchange for this, and shifting our GBZ fleet south isn't going to be quick, especially if we're expecting a northern blow too.

I think surging the Gabriel makes some sense now, but I must caution staying so heavily committed for too long.
 
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I feel member world overcommitment to Gabriel could unlock a Southern Strategy for the Cardassians. Not that UE to GBZ would automatically do that, but to explain:

The original 4 member fleets are our deep strategic reserve in case of war with the Cardassians. We're also relying on our new member and affiliate fleets to hold the line, because Starfleet garrisons aren't big enough outside the GBZ.

Now, the Apiata have increased their GBZ commitment. A third the Amarki navy (half their good cruisers at least) are committed. The Cats are sending almost a third of their strength.

We've spoken on the vulnerability of the Lapycorias/Indoria/Rethelia triangle thanks to its proximity to Cardassian space and to the distance to reinforcement from Ferasa or Amarki (Apinae is better but the Cardassians would be foolish not to tie them up).

Deplete the member fleets enough and a flanking thrust from Lecarre (likely) or possibly Dawiar (remote) space becomes viable, which would occupy the Caitian Grand Fleet, the Qloathi fleet, and remove an entire vector of reinforcement for the Indorian triangle. We'd have to reinforce against a southern push from our original four, which could delay response to an attack on Lapycorias/Indoria/Rethelia until too late. The Cardassians could easily ignore forces in the Gabriel in exchange for this, and shifting our GBZ fleet south isn't going to be quick, especially if we're expecting a northern blow too.

I think surging the Gabriel makes some sense now, but I must caution staying so heavily committed for too long.
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Thankfully the Indoria are with the Rigellians the biggest member navy after Apiata, Amarkia and Caitians and they are staying home guarding the front. In addition both the Seyek and Qloathi have formidable forces on the southern front both mobile and starbases. Having said that neutralizing or flipping the Dawiar is the best way to solidfy our southern front, though affliating the Ashidi would help even if they have a small fleet. Also a lot would depend on how quick we could rally EC ships to form a task force to counter an invasion push, that is a lot of weight coming in when that happens. It also makes a difference as to how stable Orion is, if they can send even a few ships to join with a larger task force they are ideal to reinforce the Cardassian front.

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110+
Apiata
70's
Amarkia, Caitian, Seyek
50's
Indoria, Rigel, Orion, Qloathi

The Seyek have another 12 C and the Qloathi 16 C under construction as well.

As it is I would like to see if two of the original four are interested in sending a joint force to colonize and prospect the GBZ, maybe Human and Tellarite since Andor has concerns on the Caldonians and KBZ
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change Betazoid Long Term Priority to "Second One-Megaton Berth."
[X][CAL] Ignore
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out (USS Odyssey)
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Courageous, Odyssey, and Tarrak
 
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Void Stalker said:
I feel like deploying the Odyssey (which looks to be getting a boost to Veteran) is enough to deal with Caldonian space in addition to the ships we have in the KBZ. If we did not want to do that I could then see sending in the Andorians but since we are sending in the Odyssey they are not as likely to help.
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Given Sulu's bonuses, sending Voshev might better than sending any other ship we have. Sulu gets rerolls on diplomacy tests in Federation space, and this may qualify. Sulu gets +1 Presence. Sulu gets +1 to espionage rolls, and some of the missions she undertakes may qualify.

I wouldn't hesitate to trust Sulu and the Voshev with this task.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
I feel member world overcommitment to Gabriel could unlock a Southern Strategy for the Cardassians. Not that UE to GBZ would automatically do that, but to explain...

Deplete the member fleets enough and a flanking thrust from Lecarre (likely) or possibly Dawiar (remote) space becomes viable, which would occupy the Caitian Grand Fleet, the Qloathi fleet, and remove an entire vector of reinforcement for the Indorian triangle. We'd have to reinforce against a southern push from our original four, which could delay response to an attack on Lapycorias/Indoria/Rethelia until too late. The Cardassians could easily ignore forces in the Gabriel in exchange for this, and shifting our GBZ fleet south isn't going to be quick, especially if we're expecting a northern blow too.

I think surging the Gabriel makes some sense now, but I must caution staying so heavily committed for too long.
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The big problem with this strategy is that it relies on one of two things happening.

1) Us not having time to redeploy forces out of the Gabriel Expanse back towards our own space, prior to the Cardassian attack. This is a valid assumption if we anticipate a "bolt from the blue" attack, but less so if we anticipate an attack that takes place as a reaction to escalating tensions that build up over the course of a couple of months.

2) Alternatively, it relies on the member world fleets actually losing ships in the Expanse so that they are materially weakened. This does not seem to be happening, and if the Cardassians plan to make it happen, they have to launch a major offensive in the face of coordinated defensive action by a very large force. Plus, they'd be attacking with their own core fleet, not with relatively expendable affiliates. This is a problem for them, because the ships they'd use to grind us down in the Gabriel Expanse are the exact same force they would later use to threaten Lapycorias and Indoria.

Furthermore, the member world fleets are going to get stronger rather than weaker in the long run because of the Gabriel Expanse. The biggest limit on the Apiata fleet is resources. If the Apiata find any special resource colonies in the Gabriel Expanse, that translates directly into more Stingers. Even bulk resources may, because as we've seen, the Apiata can trade those bulk resources to people with SR surpluses elsewhere in the Federation sphere of influence.

Now, I DO think we have a problem with the relative level of Starfleet commitment to the Klingon/Romulan/Cardassian Border Zones, as opposed to the Gabriel Expanse. Arguably we should be taking the ships of that third Starfleet task force in the Expanse and instead distributing them to the other borders. I think that's a policy debate we need to have during 2316, because you're not wrong to worry about us failing to properly secure the borders that directly protect our member worlds from incursion, due to having so many ships off in the Gabriel Expanse.

After all, beyond a certain point, our ability to find new colonies and grow in the Expanse is going to be limited by the available engineering and logistics infrastructure, not by the mass of armed starships we have available. Unless we're planning a massed fleet assault against the Cardassian outposts and starbase (and that could get very bloody), we can only accomplish so much.
 
Crap I forgot about the USS Voshev. I am going to change my vote so that Some of the Crew from the USS Enterprise goes to the USS Voshev because Sulu used to serve on board the Enterprise IIRC.
Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Jun 11, 2017 at 2:08 PM, finished with 89 posts and 30 votes.
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Joshrand1982 said:
Crap I forgot about the USS Voshev. I am going to change my vote so that Some of the Crew from the USS Enterprise goes to the USS Voshev because Sulu used to serve on board the Enterprise IIRC.
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She was Harrison's helmswoman back in 2294, but as far as we can determine, in this timeline she left the ship some time before 2300. There is no evidence of Sulu serving under Nash's command- and since Sulu and Nash are almost the same age, if Sulu had still been aboard the Enterprise-B when Nash arrived, she would probably have been one of Nash's senior officers. At some point, Sulu was replaced at the helm by Stol.

So honestly, most of the current crew of the Enterprise-B would be people who came aboard some time after 2300 and after her time. Plus, her ship is already half way from Green to Blooded, so leveling them up wouldn't gain us very much.

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That might derail the Cardassian's plans, however.
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Yes, but it would be a really big gamble, especially if the Cardassians really HAVE taken the three years they've had since Celos and spent it all quietly fortifying, laying minefields, and massing a big nasty solid core of heavily armed cruisers. To be reasonably confident of success and overwhelming the enemy with our firepower, I'd honestly want to attack with a force of, oh, Combat 120 or more. And the member worlds would be understandably reluctant to risk large chunks of their fleet cooperating with us, so we'd be stuck in a position of having to commit much if not most of that force ourselves.

We'd have a hard time justifying to the Council an attack on that scale. And if it went wrong it'd be one of the biggest military disasters in Starfleet history. Maybe the biggest disaster.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Given Sulu's bonuses, sending Voshev might better than sending any other ship we have. Sulu gets rerolls on diplomacy tests in Federation space, and this may qualify. Sulu gets +1 Presence. Sulu gets +1 to espionage rolls, and some of the missions she undertakes may qualify.

I wouldn't hesitate to trust Sulu and the Voshev with this task.
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Does she? I was going off the front page and Mbeki has a reroll on Diplomacy aboard the Odyssey which is why I had a preference there. Guess she does and she re-rolls hull checks. Now I am less sure as it was Mebki bonus to presence along with reroll on diplomacy that had me convinced.
 
Simon_Jester said:
We'd have a hard time justifying to the Council an attack on that scale. And if it went wrong it'd be one of the biggest military disasters in Starfleet history. Maybe the biggest disaster.
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That could incite the C to attack early, and that may end bad for them.
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So, no high risk commanders in the GBZ.
 
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