Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

By the logic of Plan Haitei we should also not be using the special pills next turn since they are wasted without the +8 from the Middle Silver, and if we aren't training all free spots (spots which aren't used on urgent actions) on Arts/Meridians. You put the value of those pills so high and rarely use them.
 
...Honestly not sure how that worked.

The marriage offer with Bai suggests the Xuan family isn't local, and clearly Mr. Muscles was in league with Cai from the start. Somewhere in between Cai's entrance and the big meeting they seem to have become fairly close allies with Xuan- or at least that's the impression I got.

Is there any mention of when the Bai family incurred specific displeasure from the throne?
 
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[X] Plan Haitei

Like this plan the most so far. Let's hope everything works out. Also volcano turtle .. oh dear maybe we should look for a fire heart art or something so when he's born we can store him there and use fire to buff allies.

Also the one really hard quest seems like something we can do with GU , she was looking for a pokemon wasn't she?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by notanautomaton on Jun 9, 2017 at 7:35 PM, finished with 14708 posts and 33 votes.

  • [X] Plan Haitei
    - [X] Resources - Bear Marrow Elixir, 3 Red Stones, Channel Cleansing Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Arm Meridian
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    - [X] Have a girls day out with Bai Meizhen and Gu Xiulan
    [X] Plan A Moonless Night is Full of Stars
    -[X] Resources
    --[X] 3 Red Spirit Stones, Bear Marrow Elixer, Starlight Elixir
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Li Suyin is doing better, coax her out into studying, and talk to her about her plans. Give her your last Qi Foundation Pill.
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    --[X] Bring up the idea of training together with Meizhen. You are strong enough now, right?
    [X] Plan Expanding Horizons
    -[X] Three Red Stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Channel Clearing Elixir, White Hart Elixir, Steady Growth Pill, Starlight Elixir
    -[X] Major Actions
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Meridian (Spine)
    ---[X] Ask them if they want to do an investigation mission together. Split three ways instead of two it will be sixteen sect point for Suyin and Ling Qi, and eighteen for Su Ling for her greater hunting experience.
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    ---[X] Investigate Disappearances
    -[X] Minor Actions
    --[X] Bring up the idea of training together with Meizhen. You are strong enough now, right?
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    [X] Plan Steady Progress
    -[X] Use 3 red stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Channel Cleansing Pill (costs 9 red stones total)
    - [X] Take a Job
    --[X] Moonfill Mission
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Arm Meridian
    --[X] Li Suyin is doing better, coax her out into studying, and talk to her about her plans
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    [x] Plan Pills
    -[x] Use resources: (Maximum number of Red and Yellow Stones with Vent), Sable Light Pill, Highsun Pill, Darkmoon Pill, buy Bear Marrow Elixer and use.
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    ---[X] Meridian (Spine)
    --[X]Meridian arm
    --[x] Meridian (Head)
    --[x] Meridian (Heart)
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Spiritual
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    [X] Fill Me With Your Moon Juice
    -[X] Items: 3 Red Stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Clear Channel Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Offer the two of them the chance to train Argent Mirror
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X]Meridian arm
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    -[X] Ask Su Ling about how to make use of beast cores, and the value of those you have
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
 
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Adhoc vote count started by notanautomaton on Jun 9, 2017 at 7:35 PM, finished with 14708 posts and 33 votes.

  • [X] Plan Haitei
    - [X] Resources - Bear Marrow Elixir, 3 Red Stones, Channel Cleansing Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Arm Meridian
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    - [X] Have a girls day out with Bai Meizhen and Gu Xiulan
    [X] Plan A Moonless Night is Full of Stars
    -[X] Resources
    --[X] 3 Red Spirit Stones, Bear Marrow Elixer, Starlight Elixir
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Li Suyin is doing better, coax her out into studying, and talk to her about her plans. Give her your last Qi Foundation Pill.
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    --[X] Bring up the idea of training together with Meizhen. You are strong enough now, right?
    [X] Plan Expanding Horizons
    -[X] Three Red Stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Channel Clearing Elixir, White Hart Elixir, Steady Growth Pill, Starlight Elixir
    -[X] Major Actions
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Meridian (Spine)
    ---[X] Ask them if they want to do an investigation mission together. Split three ways instead of two it will be sixteen sect point for Suyin and Ling Qi, and eighteen for Su Ling for her greater hunting experience.
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    ---[X] Investigate Disappearances
    -[X] Minor Actions
    --[X] Bring up the idea of training together with Meizhen. You are strong enough now, right?
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    [X] Plan Steady Progress
    -[X] Use 3 red stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Channel Cleansing Pill (costs 9 red stones total)
    - [X] Take a Job
    --[X] Moonfill Mission
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Arm Meridian
    --[X] Li Suyin is doing better, coax her out into studying, and talk to her about her plans
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    [x] Plan Pills
    -[x] Use resources: (Maximum number of Red and Yellow Stones with Vent), Sable Light Pill, Highsun Pill, Darkmoon Pill, buy Bear Marrow Elixer and use.
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    ---[X] Meridian (Spine)
    --[X]Meridian arm
    --[x] Meridian (Head)
    --[x] Meridian (Heart)
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Spiritual
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    [X] Fill Me With Your Moon Juice
    -[X] Items: 3 Red Stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Clear Channel Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Offer the two of them the chance to train Argent Mirror
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X]Meridian arm
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    -[X] Ask Su Ling about how to make use of beast cores, and the value of those you have
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
 
Getting a combo a turn earlier means getting everything else a turn earlier, and getting the next combo three turns earlier, and the one after that 5 turns earlier.
First, no, that is wrong. Things don't compound this way. At best, getting a combo a turn earlier means getting the next combo a turn earlier and the next combo a turn earlier, and so on. You can see this easily by comparing us to the group that started last year. We hit red a year after they did - does that mean that we would hit yellow a year an a half after them assuming equal talent? Of course not.

Second, this completely neglects the fact that we got the combo a week earlier by sacrificing something. If we paid the equivalent of two actions to get our combo a week earlier, we would be behind by the opportunity-cost of those two actions. If we make up those actions later, the cost of making the up has to be subtracted from the advantage we got from getting the combo earlier; if we don't, the opportunity cost of whatever we gave up has to be subtracted instead.


For example. Right now, we could get to Mid Silver Physique a week earlier by spending a Starlight pill. We can then carry happily go on with our lives by having reached that bonus one turn earlier - but we now don't have that pill. Instead, if we held off, we would have reached Mid Sliver a week later, but would still have the pill in reserve, and the boost it could give us might be greater then what we got from an extra week of being at Mid Silver in the other case.



Actually, let me take a step back and suggest what is perhaps a more apt way of thinking about the issue. What we've got is an interplay of two things: progress and time. The amount of progress we get per unit time grows at certain thresholds of our current progress (it is more complicated then that since progress is heterogeneous, but bear with me for a minute). Our situation is that we have a pill that can provide some immediate progress. Using this pill now means that we pass a threshold and start getting better returns on our time. Alternatively, we can wait some time and use the pill later, providing us a greater amount of progress in the future. However, because we will be getting better returns on time in the future, a fixed amount of progress in the future is worth less time than the same amount of progress today.
With this perspective, the question is: how much time do we save by using the pill now, vs how much time will we save by using it in the future?

If you can provide a compelling reason that a single physical roll now saves us more time than a use of the pill later (with the correspondingly higher physical roll and the art bonuses), then that would be a compelling reason to use the pill immediately.
 
By the logic of Plan Haitei we should also not be using the special pills next turn since they are wasted without the +8 from the Middle Silver, and if we aren't training all free spots (spots which aren't used on urgent actions) on Arts/Meridians. You put the value of those pills so high and rarely use them.
Yes, we wouldn't want to use the pills next turn either. We might want to use then the turn after, though, once we've broken through to Mid Yellow.

Honestly, I wouldn't be so worried about us so rarely using pills. Pills that work by giving extra actions or rolling over a fraction of successes elsewhere get better as we unlock more bonuses, so it is not unreasonable to hold off on using them.



Though it should be noted that holding off too long isn't the best way to go about things either. A pill regimen that doubles everything we do in a term would be hella-powerful... but if you think about it, what it does in effect is giving us an extra week of time, and equally useful to us regardless of cultivation.
 
[X] Plan Haitei

It's simple. It's cheap. It's effective. Love it.

Yeah, looking at the guandao I think that is still going to be our best bet going forward, especially when we join the military. As the support, we will have plenty of groups targeting us with multiple people to take us down first, and with the ability to keep the dice penalty from stacking up, it is really good at keeping us alive. The armor pen from the spear would be nice, but it should be simple to enchant a Guandao with armor penetration if we want it.
Honestly, I was tremendously happy when I saw it gave extra bonuses to fighting multiple enemies. We should easily be able to add AP1 to it, but the ability to essentially ignore flank bonus from up to two opponents, which need not be two cultivators but also a cultivator and his spirit, for free? As baseline?

It's likely one of the top melee AoE weapons we could use.

But more importantly, it's there to supplement the bow. Which should have even more AP and precision related bonuses.

It's like carrying a sniper rifle and a shotgun, with our knives as combat pistol. Thw munchkin in me is glad.

Also, the dream of becoming turtle knight must come to pass.
 
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[] Plan Haitei

Nothing has everything I would want right now, but this comes very close, and so I'll go with this.


Glaive still best girl.
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[X] Plan A Moonless Night is Full of Stars

Getting to mid-silver this turn helps provide a safety net that I'd really like when going on a 10-point mission known to include hostile spirits. That's probably the biggest reason I think getting to mid-silver is vital; more favorable autosuccesses on every single clash in a battle is a huge impact. With the doubling from the gold/silver breakthrough barrier in place, if there are swarms of hostile red/gold spirits or beasts we will be vastly more capable of fending them off, and if there are yellow/silver tier enemies I'd be a lot happier knowing that they won't have more than one autosuccess against us.

When we go on missions we should invest in the combat power to succeed on the missions; it's as simple as that. The possibility of mild failure (no returns on our action slot) or extreme failure (no returns+injury or item loss) are slim but they definitely exist, and the costs of such are significant enough to be well worth expending a single extra elixir over.

This is particularly true when the rate at which we're accumulating pills and other valuables is as high as it is, and looking to increase as we emphasize doing more exploration and missions in the coming turns. With the expectation of significant income in the future, it would be incredibly foolish for us to hoard everything against future optimal cultivation turn(s) and then lose all of our hoarded wealth because we lost a fight and someone took the entire contents of our storage ring.
 
[X] Plan A Moonless Night is Full of Stars

On second viewing, seeing as Haitei does not hit mid silver this turn im going to have to give it to moonless night.
That is important.
 
[X] Plan A Moonless Night is Full of Stars

Getting to mid-silver this turn helps provide a safety net that I'd really like when going on a 10-point mission known to include hostile spirits. That's probably the biggest reason I think getting to mid-silver is vital; more favorable autosuccesses on every single clash in a battle is a huge impact. With the doubling from the gold/silver breakthrough barrier in place, if there are swarms of hostile red/gold spirits or beasts we will be vastly more capable of fending them off, and if there are yellow/silver tier enemies I'd be a lot happier knowing that they won't have more than one autosuccess against us.

When we go on missions we should invest in the combat power to succeed on the missions; it's as simple as that. The possibility of mild failure (no returns on our action slot) or extreme failure (no returns+injury or item loss) are slim but they definitely exist, and the costs of such are significant enough to be well worth expending a single extra elixir over.

This is particularly true when the rate at which we're accumulating pills and other valuables is as high as it is, and looking to increase as we emphasize doing more exploration and missions in the coming turns. With the expectation of significant income in the future, it would be incredibly foolish for us to hoard everything against future optimal cultivation turn(s) and then lose all of our hoarded wealth because we lost a fight and someone took the entire contents of our storage ring.

Plan Horizon also gets us to mid-silver, and it gives Suyin more concrete aid.
 
Plan Horizon also gets us to mid-silver, and it gives Suyin more concrete aid.
And I like it quite a bit! I would much rather open a spine meridian than an arm meridian and doing the double mission has a boldness and large anticipated return that appeals to me. It also has the Meizhen training social action, which I consider a very good move. But I don't think that one can win, and mid-silver is vital in my view, so Moonless Night it is unless Horizons starts picking up a lot of votes (or people willing to change).

Also, any reason you're not giving Li Suyin our last foundation pill like Moonless Night is? Planning to sell it later, or something else?
 
So the only difference in physical between Haitei and Moonless Night is the use of the Starlight Elixir?

How many points is it expected to give?
 
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