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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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Seventeen said:
I'm pretty sure we were told a few hundred pages back that a flying sword would count as a accessory talisman, not a weapon. In any case, why would we need weapon skill for something that fights autonomously?
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No, we were told we would eventually get a new slot to put in things like flying swords or other act away from us artifacts, not that they would take a talisman slot.

And they don't usually fight autonomously. Sword skill is usually very important to use them well. You're just fighting with you mind instead of your hand. And quite possibly using hundreds of blades at the same time. But it's still concidered using 'sword skills,' and better sword skills make you better at it.

I can't think of a story where using them wasn't a matter of skill, and that skill is always the same skill as using a sword normally.
 
Killer_Whale said:
How do the current weapon choices support this characteristic of her build?
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The idea of a support/exotic build is to avoid fights where possible and to let the other allies do the main fighting. Exotic builds tend to rely on something strange and weird, and we are not sure yet what that entails.

With a heavy polearm, the goal is to play keep away from the other cultivator by presenting enough of a threat with enough range that the other cultivator can't just recklessly charge in and take the first shot. The more we keep other fighters away from us, the safer we will be in any fight. Also, the heavy polearm can be viewed as symbolic of Ling Qi's desire to carry all the weight she wants with her wherever she goes, but that's just my interpretation.

The bow enables us to keep a long distance fight going on, while also being able to ambush people from within our mists once we have it set up. All in all, it is a good choice for long distance combat.
 
Thor's Twin said:
The idea of a support/exotic build is to avoid fights where possible and to let the other allies do the main fighting. Exotic builds tend to rely on something strange and weird, and we are not sure yet what that entails.

With a heavy polearm, the goal is to play keep away from the other cultivator by presenting enough of a threat with enough range that the other cultivator can't just recklessly charge in and take the first shot. The more we keep other fighters away from us, the safer we will be in any fight. Also, the heavy polearm can be viewed as symbolic of Ling Qi's desire to carry all the weight she wants with her wherever she goes, but that's just my interpretation.

The bow enables us to keep a long distance fight going on, while also being able to ambush people from within our mists once we have it set up. All in all, it is a good choice for long distance combat.
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But because she only will draw a weapon from her ring after she's forced into close combat, she won't pull out her polearm until she's already in the fight. Till then she'll use her flute. No deterrence.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Does Ling Qi believe herself to be a noble? So far we haven't seen that thought process come through. A noble is not necessarily someone who has grace and dignity, a noble is something granted by birth or by the authority of a higher power. We haven't been granted nobility merely because we are cultivators, otherwise, all guardsmen would be nobles. I believe we can have grace, poise, and use the Heavy pole arm.
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No? We're a hell of a lot more noble than most of these actual nobles just going by our own actions.

Uhhhhh have you completely forgotten that being a cultivatior is (at least in theory) supposed to supersede your station of birth or your family? Meizhen at least is one of the people who truly follows that. You're too hung up on the literal meaning of being a noble as opposed to the image.

Flying Sword > Polearm.

kitsune9 said:
It's humor that the questers find funny that the characters really wouldn't. Which is close enough to meta for government work.

I'm not?

you were the first person I saw with that reasoning after the post where someone asked for an explanation on why so many people where voting that way. Given that the name was a reason people were voting for it, I grabbed it as an example.
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Yeah no, only one person actually mentioned Lu Bu as a reason other than the poster you quoted.

Umi-san said:
tldr: Getting a sword won't give us points in calligraphy.
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No more like TheLastOne mentioned a common theme in Xianxia and you started ranting about evil Xianxia protagonists and that getting a sword would be making us similar to one in your eyes.

Seventeen said:
I'm pretty sure we were told a few hundred pages back that a flying sword would count as a accessory talisman, not a weapon. In any case, why would we need weapon skill for something that fights autonomously?
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It would still occupy a weapon slot and count for "switching to/using it means we have to stop playing FVM" at least.
 
Killer_Whale said:
How do the current weapon choices support this characteristic of her build?
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The weaken others part probably can apply to any weapon with equal validity, although maybe more with an entangling weapon, like wires? *shrug*
We don't really know what 'exotic' does yet, or how it would apply to weapons, but I shall speculate that it might apply to conjuring weaponry, like Sun's blood armaments. In this case that would most likely be making weird arrows, unless we feel like skipping the weapon talisman entirely.
 
1986ctcel said:
It would still occupy a weapon slot and count for "switching to/using it means we have to stop playing FVM" at least.
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Actually a more liberal ruling seems to be suggested.

yrsillar said:
Yeah you can have a bunch of weapons strapped to you if you want, but you can only get the benefits of one at a time. I might amend the rules at green to allow for like flying sword type things as a separate equipment category. Let me get back to you on that though.
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While we don't know the exact rules he'll use, it will have it's own slot type. Remember though that formation bearing flags and flying talismans also fall into the same kind of category, and probably use the same slot.

I don't want people to lose us flying swords, which are the meat and potato weapons of the cultivator.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Does Ling Qi believe herself to be a noble? So far we haven't seen that thought process come through. A noble is not necessarily someone who has grace and dignity, a noble is something granted by birth or by the authority of a higher power. We haven't been granted nobility merely because we are cultivators, otherwise, all guardsmen would be nobles. I believe we can have grace, poise, and use the Heavy pole arm.
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To quote @drake_azathoth out of context, at the moment when it comes to grace, dignity and poise Ling Qi is pretty much:

 
TheLastOne said:
But because she only will draw a weapon from her ring after she's forced into close combat, she won't pull out her polearm until she's already in the fight. Till then she'll use her flute. No deterrence.
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If you're really intent on having a melee weapon out ALL THE TIME we're pretty much down to Godkicking Boots and something like an Arm/Arm art designed specifically for kicking people in the crotch.

 
TheLastOne said:
And they don't usually fight autonomously. Sword skill is usually very important to use them well. You're just fighting with you mind instead of your hand. And quite possibly using hundreds of blades at the same time. But it's still concidered using 'sword skills,' and better sword skills make you better at it.

I can't think of a story where using them wasn't a matter of skill, and that skill is always the same skill as using a sword normally.
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Flying Sword, a magic item from the Dominions games, one of the few explicitly specific influences on this quest fights autonomously. Edit: Whoops, there's no Flying Sword item there. It's Dancing Shield and Dancing Trident. Xianxia stories aren't the only thing to consider -- if they were, the sects would not be instruments of the government and army, because in traditional xianxia, the jianghu opposes the government.

1986ctcel said:
It would still occupy a weapon slot and count for "switching to/using it means we have to stop playing FVM" at least.
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I don't see why that would be the case. It wouldn't take hands or mouth to use, thus not interrupting Ling Qi playing the flute.
 
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[X] Sword
[X] Chain whip

Chain whip because I want it, sword because I REALLY want flying swords at green for Awakened Unicorn impressions.
 
drake_azathoth said:
If you're really intent on having a melee weapon out ALL THE TIME we're pretty much down to Godkicking Boots and something like an Arm/Arm art designed specifically for kicking people in the crotch.

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Wrong person. I want her to keep her weapons in her ring. It's what spacial treasures are for. Aim it at Thor, he's the one with a plan requiring we keep our weapons out.
 
TheLastOne said:
But because she only will draw a weapon from her ring after she's forced into close combat, she won't pull out her polearm until she's already in the fight. Till then she'll use her flute. No deterrence.
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What do you mean no deterrence? She pulls out a giant glaive from out of nowhere and people are going to stop the rush and consider what that means. It is an absolute deterrence and in my opinion a better one in that case. Merely because they don't see the heavy polearm at the beginning of the fight, doesn't mean us pulling it out is not going to be a deterrence.

1986ctcel said:
Uhhhhh have you completely forgotten that being a cultivatior is (at least in theory) supposed to supersede your station of birth or your family? Meizhen at least is one of the people who truly follows that. You're too hung up on the literal meaning of being a noble as opposed to the image.
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Theory never makes it into practice. If that was the case, then every city guardsmen would be a noble, and that isn't the case. Being a cultivator sets you apart from the mortal realm, but that doesn't mean we are nobles.

We have become a cultivator and so we have new expectations that are being placed upon us, and those expectations are to act in a more noble manner and perform actions with grace and poise, but that does not make us a noble.

I also believe that you are placing too much weight on the nobility of the Jian. Meizhen, Cai, and Sun are all using different weapons than a Jian. Meizhen has a metal whip type thing, Cai has a rapier, and Sun uses a spear. Even Zihao isn't using a jian and he is the son of the Royal Guard's Captain
 
Thor's Twin said:
What do you mean no deterrence? She pulls out a giant glaive from out of nowhere and people are going to stop the rush and consider what that means. It is an absolute deterrence and in my opinion a better one in that case. Merely because they don't see the heavy polearm at the beginning of the fight, doesn't mean us pulling it out is not going to be a deterrence.


Theory never makes it into practice. If that was the case, then every city guardsmen would be a noble, and that isn't the case. Being a cultivator sets you apart from the mortal realm, but that doesn't mean we are nobles.

We have become a cultivator and so we have new expectations that are being placed upon us, and those expectations are to act in a more noble manner and perform actions with grace and poise, but that does not make us a noble.

I also believe that you are placing too much weight on the nobility of the Jian. Meizhen, Cai, and Sun are all using different weapons than a Jian. Meizhen has a metal whip type thing, Cai has a rapier, and Sun uses a spear. Even Zihao isn't using a jian and he is the son of the Royal Guard's Captain
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Spear is just as noble, but the spear isn't a 'heavy polearm', it's the light one. Rapier isn't a Chinese weapon, to that's probably actually a Jian.
 
I came back to the thread and there was a new vote all of the sudden.

Well. Bow is winning which is A+ and while I might have voted for Jian just for the giggles, I gotta say~

[X] Unarmed
 
I apologize about misrepresenting Cai's weapon. The original description of it appears to be a long curved sword. So probably a Dao if we are going to fit it into the 4 great weapon slots.
 
Thor's Twin said:
I apologize about misrepresenting Cai's weapon. The original description of it appears to be a long curved sword. So probably a Dao if we are going to fit it into the 4 great weapon slots.
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Yeah, Dao sounds right. Usually presented as a more 'viciously' and 'brutal' alternative to the sword in Xianxia. Greater power when it hits, less precision and less defense. It's the weapon of those who want to destroy their opponents more then they want to win fights. Wonder what it says about her.
 
CircleTheSkies said:
It's "Lu Bu time!"
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No, this is Lubu time !
Time in Lubu, Guangdong, China now - Time.is


You tought a glaive was the perfect thing to get? You tought it was the summit of human perfection to handle a polearm?
But did you tought about dual wielding polearms? After all twice as much perfection can only be better.


[X] Bow
[X] Dual wielded heavy Polearms

Edit: I am actually totally serious. If need be, I would be willing to change my vote for Heavy polearm. But this is a xianxa, so the limitations of dual wielding giant weapons are small compared to the benefit they have. Like for exemple throwing one of our polearm in the face of the ennemy that then gloat about us being defenless and then we kill him/her via our second weapon.
 
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TheLastOne said:
Yeah, Dao sounds right. Usually presented as a more 'viciously' and 'brutal' alternative to the sword in Xianxia. Greater power when it hits, less precision and less defense. It's the weapon of those who want to destroy their opponents more then they want to win fights. Wonder what it says about her.
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Who knows?

For all we know it means that her grandmother the White cultivator used the weapon heavily and made some custom arts for it.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Probably that whatever we do, we should never double cross her or make her an enemy? I have no desire to make an enemy out of someone who's main goal is to destroy their enemies no matter the cost.
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Yeah, sounds about right.

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pheonix89 said:
Who knows?

For all we know it means that her grandmother the White cultivator used the weapon heavily and made some custom arts for it.
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Bah, Weapons always say things about their users. Fiction, remember

Bah, kids these days.
 
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