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Ompa60 said:
Actually. more than half of the voters are(or were) voting for a plan that has a Han Jian action in it. But those votes are split between River and Social Animal.
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And those voters are likely only doing so because they're panicking over the Han Jian SL getting lost, before this I doubt many people actually cared that much and I doubt if most of those voters will actually follow through on repeated subsequent Han Jian actions to repair the link.
Vanguard_D said:
Because it is the worst plan of the possible alternatives.

And even if the plan wasn't simply just bad, you being this obnoxious would never make me vote for the "Social Animal" plan.
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Learn to take a joke :wtf:
 
On the topic of merging our groups, this action to do so is honestly pretty stacked in our favor already.
  • We set up Xiulan to be nicer to Li Suyin last turn.
  • This turn we also get to discuss spirit binding with Han Jian to bring us closer to him and to further improve our chances.
  • We also set up Meizhen and Xiulan to meet as she is already sharing the vent.
  • Su Ling doesn't care about rudeness so long as she gets training.
  • Li Suyin is motivated to improve is an acknowledged asset as a healer. She will not turn down additional training.
Take a look a the current order of actions and how it strives to improve our relationship with everyone while bringing both groups together. I expect some people just voted against it out of reflex, but it actually has quite a bit of social manipulation. (Which Ling Qi is absurdly good at.)

[] Discuss with Meizhen what you can help her with
-[] Also ask if she would like a introduction to Xuilan.
[] Help Suyin train and cultivate at the vent
-[] Ask Su Ling and Li Suyin prior, and if they agree discuss trading access to a high quality Spirit Stone and Argent Soul vent in exchange for resources/talismans/training and being cordial to those who found it. Make it clear we don't need a cut.
[] Try to spend some time with Han Jian, couch it as wanting to ask him about spirit binding
-[] If Su Ling and Li Suyin okayed it, tell him they found a vent, and are up for making a deal to share it's use. If he's interested, arrange the meeting.
[] Train with Han Jian and his group
-[] If the above went well, bring Su Ling and Li Suyin.
 
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Arkeus said:
@Kshail you mind adding a gushing spring pill to your vote for slightly higher chance to get some slightly better AS roll and more FVM successes?
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I don't mind really but I think we have enough to get FVM to the next measure without it. Can we divert overflow to AS? It doesn't make sense to me to be able to do so. Mechanically or Narrative wise. I thought the clarification regarding overflow a while back was that we can divert to Physical not elsewhere.
 
Kshail said:
I don't mind really but I think we have enough to get FVM to the next measure without it. Can we divert overflow to AS? It doesn't make sense to me to be able to do so. Mechanically or Narrative wise. I thought the clarification regarding overflow a while back was that we can divert to Physical not elsewhere.
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We can't divert overflow to AS, but we get AS as 1/3 of FVM success thanks to Argent Elixir. Oveflow goes to FVM, which is very good anyway.
 
Arkeus said:
We can't divert overflow to AS, but we get AS as 1/3 of FVM success thanks to Argent Elixir. Oveflow goes to FVM, which is very good anyway.
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Ah the fact that combat arts count for the Elixir 1/3 bonus keeps slipping my mind somehow even though I've realized several times. Gimme a few to find my plan again. I'll add it.

E: Done
 
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You know, I'll be painfully blunt- Gu Xiulan is enough of a link to Han Jian's group and I really feel closer to her. She just seems a more appropriate friend for Ling Qi to have with less issues on loyalty arising or inter-group conflict arising because Han has a responsibility to his people and he also needs to keep them all happy. I'd be pretty much okay with Han Jian fading to 'acquaintance', even if that means we don't spar with his group any more, because it doesn't feel like we're on the same page anymore and we DO need to conserve actions. My only real concern is that I don't want the fading social link to turn into a social disaster.

In contrast, I really feel we should make an effort to befriend Guangli. If we don't decide to hare off to Snekland when our time with the Sect is up, we'll probably be serving on the Western front here, our homeland- not on the Eastern front where Han's group originates from. In that vein, growing closer to Cai's group really feels like the right political move- certainly a better move than basically snubbing her group in favor of the Thousand Rivers and Golden Fields groups.

My ideal in-group would probably be something like Bai Meizhen, Gu Xiulan, Gan Guangli, and Li Suyin. POSSIBLY Xuan or Ji Rong as well. That's a lot of people already.
 
drake_azathoth said:
You know, I'll be painfully blunt- Gu Xiulan is enough of a link to Han Jian's group and I really feel closer to her. She just seems a more appropriate friend for Ling Qi to have with less issues on loyalty arising or inter-group conflict arising because Han has a responsibility to his people and he also needs to keep them all happy. I'd be pretty much okay with Han Jian fading to 'acquaintance', even if that means we don't spar with his group any more, because it doesn't feel like we're on the same page anymore and we DO need to conserve actions. My only real concern is that I don't want the fading social link to turn into a social disaster.

In contrast, I really feel we should make an effort to befriend Guangli. If we don't decide to hare off to Snekland when our time with the Sect is up, we'll probably be serving on the Western front here, our homeland- not on the Eastern front where Han's group originates from. In that vein, growing closer to Cai's group really feels like the right political move- certainly a better move than basically snubbing her group in favor of the Thousand Rivers and Golden Fields groups.

My ideal in-group would probably be something like Bai Meizhen, Gu Xiulan, Gan Guangli, and Li Suyin. POSSIBLY Xuan or Ji Rong as well. That's a lot of people already.
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Eh, Guangli doesn't interest me at all.
 
drake_azathoth said:
In contrast, I really feel we should make an effort to befriend Guangli. If we don't decide to hare off to Snekland when our time with the Sect is up, we'll probably be serving on the Western front here, our homeland- not on the Eastern front where Han's group originates from. In that vein, growing closer to Cai's group really feels like the right political move- certainly a better move than basically snubbing her group in favor of the Thousand Rivers and Golden Fields groups.
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We are in the south, if we went west we would be in Sun territory.
 
We need a map with info blurbs. I pretty much instantly forget any of the geography mentions. All I get is 'They're from different areas of the Empire'
 
drake_azathoth said:
In contrast, I really feel we should make an effort to befriend Guangli. If we don't decide to hare off to Snekland when our time with the Sect is up, we'll probably be serving on the Western front here, our homeland- not on the Eastern front where Han's group originates from. In that vein, growing closer to Cai's group really feels like the right political move- certainly a better move than basically snubbing her group in favor of the Thousand Rivers and Golden Fields groups.
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TheLastOne said:
Eh, Guangli doesn't interest me at all.
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I'm only mildly interested in Gan Guangli, but I definitely want to get to know Cai Renxiang better, and the two are a package deal.
 
Kshail said:
We need a map with info blurbs. I pretty much instantly forget any of the geography mentions. All I get is 'They're from different areas of the Empire'
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Well there are probably more provinces, but Han Jian and co are from the east and "Golden Fields" is apparently a desert due to something that happened with that hero we keep hearing about. Sun Liling is from the west and that is apparently a jungle going by last update. Emerald Sea province is our current location in the south, the south apparently got this big mountain chain as the border to the Empire.

The inner provinces... well the names pretty much gives the geography away. Pearl Lakes province, Heavenly Peaks and Ebon Rivers.
 
TheLastOne said:
That's deeply insightful, but how about 2.

I mean, what? No secret exchange of information has happened here. Return to your regular actions citizens.
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(I mean, I was just deciding what to vote for; since vote-tally presents full versions of all plans voted for, it is rather convenient. I'll delete the leftover in a moment. Now off to read discussion.)
 
Delcer said:
On the topic of merging our groups, this action to do so is honestly pretty stacked in our favor already.
  • We set up Xiulan to be nicer to Li Suyin last turn.
  • This turn we also get to discuss spirit binding with Han Jian to bring us closer to him and to further improve our chances.
  • We also set up Meizhen and Xiulan to meet as she is already sharing the vent.
  • Su Ling doesn't care about rudeness so long as she gets training.
  • Li Suyin is motivated to improve is an acknowledged asset as a healer. She will not turn down additional training.
Take a look a the current order of actions and how it strives to improve our relationship with everyone while bringing both groups together. I expect some people just voted against it out of reflex, but it actually has quite a bit of social manipulation. (Which Ling Qi is absurdly good at.)

[] Discuss with Meizhen what you can help her with
-[] Also ask if she would like a introduction to Xuilan.
[] Help Suyin train and cultivate at the vent
-[] Ask Su Ling and Li Suyin prior, and if they agree discuss trading access to a high quality Spirit Stone and Argent Soul vent in exchange for resources/talismans/training and being cordial to those who found it. Make it clear we don't need a cut.
[] Try to spend some time with Han Jian, couch it as wanting to ask him about spirit binding
-[] If Su Ling and Li Suyin okayed it, tell him they found a vent, and are up for making a deal to share it's use. If he's interested, arrange the meeting.
[] Train with Han Jian and his group
-[] If the above went well, bring Su Ling and Li Suyin.
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Yes seriously we have MANIPULATION 4 plus 3-4 Socialize and Persuasion dots thanks to the bonus from the dress and makeup,
Karugus said:
[X][stat] Dexterity
[X] Plan Backlog, Cultivation, & Helping
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Arkeus said:
We can't divert overflow to AS, but we get AS as 1/3 of FVM success thanks to Argent Elixir. Oveflow goes to FVM, which is very good anyway.
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Kshail said:
Ah the fact that combat arts count for the Elixir 1/3 bonus keeps slipping my mind somehow even though I've realized several times. Gimme a few to find my plan again. I'll add it.
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Is Delcer's analysis of the plan enough to at least get you guys to reconsider? We have 4 dots in Persuasion 3 in Socialise and 4 in Manipulation thanks to our equipment bonuses after all and thanks to Grigori we're halfway to another Socialise dot. The actions with Meizhen, Han Jian and Li Suyin and Su Ling in plan Social Animal will likely get us another one next update too (especially if someone makes another omake or does more art and puts their points into Socialise again.)
 
I mean, I love bad and overused jokes, and I like when people join in even more, but 5 looks like a good point to stop that particular bit of silly fun.
 
1986ctcel said:
5? :???:
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drake_azathoth said:
You know, I'll be painfully blunt- Gu Xiulan is enough of a link to Han Jian's group and I really feel closer to her. She just seems a more appropriate friend for Ling Qi to have with less issues on loyalty arising or inter-group conflict arising because Han has a responsibility to his people and he also needs to keep them all happy. I'd be pretty much okay with Han Jian fading to 'acquaintance', even if that means we don't spar with his group any more, because it doesn't feel like we're on the same page anymore and we DO need to conserve actions. My only real concern is that I don't want the fading social link to turn into a social disaster.

In contrast, I really feel we should make an effort to befriend Guangli. If we don't decide to hare off to Snekland when our time with the Sect is up, we'll probably be serving on the Western front here, our homeland- not on the Eastern front where Han's group originates from. In that vein, growing closer to Cai's group really feels like the right political move- certainly a better move than basically snubbing her group in favor of the Thousand Rivers and Golden Fields groups.

My ideal in-group would probably be something like Bai Meizhen, Gu Xiulan, Gan Guangli, and Li Suyin. POSSIBLY Xuan or Ji Rong as well. That's a lot of people already.
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One thing to keep in mind is that, even with us expanding our repertoire, we're still a support focused character, and support in this context isn't about one or two other characters. It shines when it's about five or eight. Being able to bring Suyin's group and Jian's group and Meizhen to a fight would be the kind of thing where we'll really shine, doubly so after picking up another support art or two.

It's not a huge deal if we lose that... but we're thinking about dropping it because of the action economy and how expensive it is to make and maintain friendships. That is to say, if we're losing Han Jian, that means our social circle is shrinking, not that it's making room for new people who would require a bunch of social actions to bring them into our circle. If you want allies...

Well, there's a reason I named A Cultivator is A Social Animal so.
 
Kyr'am said:
I'm only mildly interested in Gan Guangli, but I definitely want to get to know Cai Renxiang better, and the two are a package deal.
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I have decided that we either need to marry a member of the Bai family and name our daughter Felicia, or marry a member of the Cai family and name our son Oken. And I'm not sorry about those at all.

However, for the votes... It's all fairly close, so I'm actually going to bother voting this time based purely on what I want. So:

[X][stat] Dexterity
[X] Plan Backlog, Cultivation, & Helping

I will admit that this is probably pretty heavily influenced by the fact that I tend not to put a lot of effort into maintaining most friendships. I'll put in some, but unless I'm super close to a person, I'll let a friendship maintain itself. And I've never had one implode on me. Sure, I've drifted apart from friends, but we've still been fairly friendly. We help each other when we can, hang out some when meeting at social functions, and generally get along. My close friends, however, are the people I turn to first when things go bad.

If the fact that we're in different factions causes Han Jian and his faction to turn their backs on us, I would lose no sleep over it. Not because I don't like the characters, I actually do like them quite a bit, but because I would come to suspect they would have turned on us eventually for their gain as we gained more influence than them anyway. Either they can deal with us being in a different faction and being their friend, or they would have grown jealous of our growth and resented their faction becoming our faction later on. I personally hope and believe that they'll deal with it, but if not, it's on them not us in my book. (Yes, I know that from a Quest perspective it will be on us, as we didn't vote for actions to keep their friendship. However, from a story perspective, it would be on them in my book. As such, I'll view it in line with the story nature, not the quest nature.)


*Please note that the opinions listed above are entirely subjective, rather than objective. They deal with how I view things as a person, and as such will differ from other views. This also means that other subjective arguments based on other people's viewpoints won't sway me. Sorry.
 
1986ctcel said:
Is Delcer's analysis of the plan enough to at least get you guys to reconsider? We have 4 dots in Persuasion 3 in Socialise and 4 in Manipulation thanks to our equipment bonuses after all and thanks to Grigori we're halfway to another Socialise dot. The actions with Meizhen, Han Jian and Li Suyin and Su Ling in plan Social Animal will likely get us another one next update too (especially if someone makes another omake or does more art and puts their points into Socialise again.)
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Considering I've given a lot more analysis on the issue and I feel Delcer ignores quite a few salient points. No.

But you'll probably ignore this post in favor of going 'blah blah blah not blind agreement- than absolutely worthless' like you did last time.
 
TheLastOne said:
Again, with teachers we were effectively getting four cultivation actions on our slow weeks, and five on our normal ones. So yes, last week was a slow cultivation week. The week thirteen with five cultivation actions was a normal one.

And we're going to have to start doing job board quests every week to earn enough stones for the drugs we need.

You are literally going over well trod ground where we've actually spitballed how demanding our schedule will be.
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Firstly, the vast majority of our competition will be experiencing a similar pinch in action economy. The only exception being those like Meizhen who never got the bonus action as they only ever attended a single class. Ji Rong particularly should also be slowing down a fir bit as he's without the dice training bonuses that Elders Su and Zhou provided and doesn't have the friends to make up for it (and I will be pissed if this doesn't happen as he will have totally avoided all the disadvantages from his backstory as well as inflicting one of them on us). Though admittedly he'll probably be riding a similar loot induced drug high as us for a little while.

Secondly, I think that once we start taking quests, especially higher tier one's we're going to be gaining progress from those, similar to events. We should take that into accunt in our planning.

Finally, I am not advocating we take it easy in any way. I am advocating taking a short term slowdown in cultivation for another week to try and make all our future actions better and hopefully more efficent. For example, I honestly expect the token set to provide bonuses to cultivation.* I hope that the Su Ling action could lead to us being able to take multiple hunting/gathering quests for one action, or allow us to do better, more lucrative quests for the same action investment, or picking up how to use beast cores and grab some for ourselves on missions therefore ameloriating pill/stone costs. You yourself have stated the benefits of keeping Han Jian's social link (I just disagree with you on how likely your plan is to suceed rather than blow up in our faces and take more actions to fix). The sooner we dedicate time to these things the greater the payoff in the long term as we'll have the benifits for far longer.

What I want is to set our social and adventuring foundation as firmly as possible as quicly as possible to provide us much better standard of long term growth. I think that trying to get small, permenant bonuses to our cultivation or quest actions now rather than in several months time will result in a far grater long term return than one or two cultivation rolls not taken now. The sooner we do the actions to support that base the longer we'll have those bonuses applying to everything we do.


Anyway I've gotta go now. See you tomorrow.

*We got the Sun token from another cultivatior which seems it could probably represent physical. The stars token we took from a spirit, and could easily represent spiritual. And the moon seems likely to represent Qi going by the pattern.
 
1986ctcel said:
Is Delcer's analysis of the plan enough to at least get you guys to reconsider? We have 4 dots in Persuasion 3 in Socialise and 4 in Manipulation thanks to our equipment bonuses after all and thanks to Grigori we're halfway to another Socialise dot. The actions with Meizhen, Han Jian and Li Suyin and Su Ling in plan Social Animal will likely get us another one next update too (especially if someone makes another omake or does more art and puts their points into Socialise again.)
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Well I sort of want to do the social stuff as it's not as bad as I originally thought just not this turn. I don't see it as being as close to falling apart as some have speculated...so it can wait. Still leaning heavily towards 'No' on the vent sharing/merge action though.

Well from a 'real' perspective it'd be on both parties failing to maintain a friendship. Not just us. If we ignore actions such as:
[] Han Jian wants to go do "activity"
Then I'll be more worried about it falling apart if we turn that down too often.
 
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