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Kshail said:
I picked Stamina because Dex caps a 6 and raise that pretty quickly we'll end up missing out on progress if we finish it before the next realm.
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Remember that you're losing out on progress for picking a lower attribute anyway, because raising Dex saves you 25 progress and Sta saves you 20. It will take 20 more progress to reach Dexterity 6, which is going to be a little difficult to obtain at all. So you're losing progress to try to avoid losing progress. Unless you are certain we're going to get something like 45 progress towards Dex before the next Realm without focusing on it specifically, this is counterproductive

More importantly...we use Dexterity in many more rolls than we do Stamina. Dexterity would directly and dramatically boost Ling Qi's ability to make targeting her fruitless than Stamina would.
 
@Umi-san, the help Siyun at the vent means Qi Ling also can cultivate, so you should add what you have her cultivating.

Also, I think people are getting tricked by thinking we have one more action than we used to have. We don't. We had 5 actions but 1 was two actions in one, and we now have 6 actions. We should basically still think of it in the same term of action economy, not "we can now afford to do more social".
 
Arkeus said:
I consider the breakthrough social :D (actually, I consider it neither)

Also, social is always super good. Very, very rarily do social actions don't get us tangible benefits. This past week with our extreme social bent was basically a huge exception there.

If we do something like:
[]Cultivate Spiritual
[] Cultivate spiritual
We get Full Dice on the first action, but half of it for the second. This means we are heavily encouraged to always cultivate the 'mainstay' every weeks.

Before hand we had spiritual/physical as just one action every weeks, so people got used to not taking it into account in their plans.

However, the extra action for yellow is actually just getting the same numbers of actions as we used to do. And beforehand we never go more than 3 socials. Because that menas a criplling little amount of cultivation.
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I think we have very different definitions of extreme social. Like Katreus I consider Breakthroughs as cultivation (they massively improve everything we do after all). Beyond that we had Suyin (combined social/cultivation, no loss of cultivation), Cai (social, kept us up to date on power structure, made us one to watch), and Xiualan (pure social, hopefully starting to deal with her jealousy. That's only 2 pure socials.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Could you elaborate on this? I've mostly been following by reading updates and not the whole thread, so I'm not familiar with this mechanic.
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Ex. We have 10 dice with 1 action. With 2 we'd get 15 dice. 3 it would be 20. each additional action increases by 50% the base amounts post medicine.

Could you guys use dashes with your plans? The stat vote is separate so everything but the plan name and the stat vote needs dashes to denote sub categories.

veekie said:
Remember that you're losing out on progress for picking a lower attribute anyway, because raising Dex saves you 25 progress and Sta saves you 20. It will take 20 more progress to reach Dexterity 6, which is going to be a little difficult to obtain at all. So you're losing progress to try to avoid losing progress. Unless you are certain we're going to get something like 45 progress towards Dex before the next Realm without focusing on it specifically, this is counterproductive

More importantly...we use Dexterity in many more rolls than we do Stamina. Dexterity would directly and dramatically boost Ling Qi's ability to make targeting her fruitless than Stamina would.
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Pretty sure we will. I'm guessing around 500 successes minimum to the next realm. Figure it'll take much longer. I haven't seen any indication of it being harder to increase other than the increased XP amounts. If we'd be losing progress anyways though at least our stats will be balanced.
 
Humbaba said:
I think we have very different definitions of extreme social. Like Katreus I consider Breakthroughs as cultivation (they massively improve everything we do after all). Beyond that we had Suyin (combined social/cultivation, no loss of cultivation), Cai (social, kept us up to date on power structure, made us one to watch), and Xiualan (pure social, hopefully starting to deal with her jealousy. That's only 2 pure socials.
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We had 2 pure social, A social/cultivation, 1 cultivation, 2 neither. Beforehand, this ratio would have everyone consider it a extreme social week. It's just that not having the teachers' action being locked anymore means people think there are more cultivation actions than before when there is not.
Kshail said:
Pretty sure we will. I'm guessing around 500 successes minimum to the next realm. Figure it'll take much longer. I haven't seen any indication of it being harder to increase other than the increased XP amounts. If we'd be losing progress anyways though at least our stats will be balanced.
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Yikes. Balancing stats :(
 
Humbaba said:
I'm still mad we got one of Ji Rong's disadvantages without his bonuses and none of his disadvantages seem to have any major effect on him. You'd think his social stigmata would start mattering more now that he's not getting free teaching but apparently because he's strong it's doing even less.
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I bet if we were playing Ji Rong we'd have the exact same reaction to Ling Qi.

Isn't she the thief PC? Where'd she get that dress??? - oh wait, thief, ofc. And that girl made how many friends??? Isn't that background supposed to give a huge malus to socializing? Han Jian and his two stooges, Bai Meizhen, Huang's in love with her, Cai and Gan rescued her - WAIT, THAT'S LIKE HALF OF THE SIGNIFICANT PEOPLE ON THIS MOUNTAIN - DOESN'T SHE BASICALLY RUN THIS PLACE??? AND SHE GOT INTO ZHOU'S ADVANCED CLASS ON A BYE??? AND SPECIAL REWARDS??? AND SHE'S ONLY ONE WEEK BEHIND US CULTIVATION-WISE??? WTF. HOW IS THAT FAIR?! WE CULTIVATED LIKE MAD ON THAT STUPID MOUNTAIN.

#TheMountainFailedUs

I actually kind of want to get to know him better so we could do a negaverse version of Ji Rong. As is, all we know about him is 'talented asshole.' :V
 
[X][Stat] Dexterity

[X] Plan Questing and Questions
-[X] Use three red stones, Bear Marrow Elixir (cost 4), Argent Elixir (cost 10), and an Argent Accumulation Pill
-[X] Help Suyin train and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Argent Soul
-[X] You are still worried about Suyin, perhaps the two of you could study formations together? It might get her mind off things
-[X] Try to spend some time with Han Jian, couch it as wanting to ask him about the tokens you received during Zhou's test. You've yet to get the full story.
-[X] Discuss with Meizhen what you can help her with
-[X] Look into sending some money to mother
-[X] Cultivate on your own
--[X] Physical
 
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Arkeus said:
If we do something like:
[]Cultivate Spiritual
[] Cultivate spiritual
We get Full Dice on the first action, but half of it for the second. This means we are heavily encouraged to always cultivate the 'mainstay' every weeks.

Before hand we had spiritual/physical as just one action every weeks, so people got used to not taking it into account in their plans.

However, the extra action for yellow is actually just getting the same numbers of actions as we used to do. And beforehand we never go more than 3 socials. Because that menas a criplling little amount of cultivation.
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Okay. Alright then; that is a fair point.

I see that doubling up on certain cultivation actions is inefficient, so we need to make sure we have enough useful actions to avoid that. Lets take a look at our current action economy and see if this is the case.

It will always be a good idea to spend time on
  • Physical Cultivation
  • Spiritual Cultivation
  • Cultivation Art (AS/EPC)
That is three actions out of six, leaving three more.

Depending on our circumstances, We may also want to spend time on
  • Combat Arts
  • Opening Meridians
  • Learning / Practicing skills (e.g. Formations)
  • Sect Missions
  • Social
I think that among these, it is easy enough to find three slots worth of actions - so I don't think we need to be worried about having to double up in the future because we took all of our social actions now.
 
Honestly, what I dislike about Plan Backlog is that it does Physical rather than doing Argent Soul more. We really need to finish it and I feel that doing a single action dedicated to it will not do that.

Edit: Though I'm not super great at the mechanics, so there might be a reason for this?
Edit 2: Read two posts down from this.
 
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We really should put the physical dot in dex. The way xp works leveling up high stats is hard so a free dot for a high stat is much more valuable than a free dom for a low one.
 
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Umi-san said:
Honestly, what I dislike about Plan Backlog is that it does Physical rather than doing Argent Soul more. We really need to finish it and I feel that doing a single action dedicated to it will not do that.

Edit: Though I'm not super great at the mechanics, so there might be a reason for this?
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Half dice on a 2nd action for the same subject. Plus, doing physical + Argent Elixir will work better because it's a full dice roll for physical and Argent Elixir gives 1/3 success on physical (and arts) rolls to Argent Soul.
 
Umi-san said:
Honestly, what I dislike about Plan Backlog is that it does Physical rather than doing Argent Soul more. We really need to finish it and I feel that doing a single action dedicated to it will not do that.
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With the Argent Elixir, a physical cultivation will also proc successes for the Argent soul. So by doing a physical cultivation roll, there will be significant bonuses to the AS as well.

Edit: well, ninjaed by two people.
 
tenchifew said:
Doubling down is inefficient.
Second action only gives half the dice of the main action.
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k then why not more FVM?

Katreus said:
Half dice on a 2nd action for the same subject. Plus, doing physical + Argent Elixir will work better because it's a full dice roll for physical and Argent Elixir gives 1/3 success on physical (and arts) rolls to Argent Soul.
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acceptable

Are we ever going to do Formations or do y'all just care about Bai Meizhen more than our insane medic friend?

Edit: ALso
[X] veekie
 
Umi-san said:
Honestly, what I dislike about Plan Backlog is that it does Physical rather than doing Argent Soul more. We really need to finish it and I feel that doing a single action dedicated to it will not do that.

Edit: Though I'm not super great at the mechanics, so there might be a reason for this?
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The medicine gives a third of successes to AS. While boosting dice. So we work on physical to get started on our next realm while also doing AS and Qi.
 
Thor's Twin said:
See the purpose of the Han Jian action is to allow us to get a social that desperately needs attention as well as get information on how to exactly do the spirit binding. We don't know how, and we will need to know if we want to get anywhere with having Pokemon spirits helping us.
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Do we really want a pokemon spirit? Can we get rid of it if its growth doesn't match ours or are we locked to it forever?
 
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