Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Ah. My apologies. I admit, I haven't read the entirety of the arguing back and forth. I was talking about the "if Yellow doesn't work the first time, move to trying to push Silver" thing.

That action is completely fungible, because if we get there, we're not breaking through this turn either way. However, the sooner we make progress on the Xiulan the sooner we can help them work out a relationship with our friends to share the vent. This turn had a bunch of social actions to hit while the iron was hot, next turn will be a pretty natural high cultivation turn.
 
switching to this, almost didn't because I will be going to bed and will not wake up until vote closes but mrttao convinced me.

[x] Plan Ambition
[X] Resources used
-[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Spiritual
-[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
-[x] Warn them about their origin and to wear them discreetly to avoid trouble
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[x] At the vent, if you encounter Huang Da try to agree to coexist and cultivate peacefully. if he refuses then just escape.
-[x] 1x Spiritual
-[X] 3x Argent Soul
--[x] If through insane luck we manage to max AS with only 2 actions, then start yellow breakthrough
I just noticed I made a mistake there. It was supposed to be AS with li suyin at vent.
Then spiritual and 3x AS alone at vent.
I accidentally did 2x spiritual and 3x AS. instead of 1 and 4.

Which doesn't make sense because after 1 spiritual we reach max level on spiritual until yellow breakthrough. Also the explanation stated we would be doing AS, I just had mistyped the vote part.

I went ahead and fixed the original plan
 
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Housesitting 18
Double 15
Fire 14
Adhoc vote count started by TheLastOne on May 23, 2017 at 2:11 AM, finished with 8102 posts and 53 votes.

  • [X] Plan Housesitting Pretty
    [X] Plan Double Break
    [X] Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire
    [X] Plan Housesitting Pretty
    [X] Two Red Stones
    -[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
    --[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets. They aren't gifts, they're just paying them for all the help they've given us - we wouldn't have claimed the arive pass without their support.
    --[X] Offer Su Ling the Qi Foundation pills in trade - she hunts beast cores for Li Suyin. For the next two weeks she can hunt them for us too.
    --[X] Spiritual
    -[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
    -[X] Talk to Han Jian see if he has any advice about the current 'political' situation
    -[X] Breakthrough to Yellow if at peak red, silver otherwise
    --[X] Finish Breakthrough if first roll succeeded. If we failed, spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin.
    [X] Plan all aboard the big team train, Yellow Ranger.
    [X] Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire
    [X] Resources used
    ---[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
    -[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
    --[X] Spiritual
    ---[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
    -[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
    [X] Breakthrough Yellow
    ---[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
    [X] Cultivate on your own
    ---[X] Argent Soul
    [X] Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire
    [X] Resources used
    ---[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
    -[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
    --[X] Spiritual
    ---[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
    -[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
    ---[X] Talk about the politics of the last battle
    [X] Breakthrough Yellow
    ---[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
    [X] Cultivate on your own
    ---[X] Argent Soul
    [X] Plan This is not a harem plan
    [X] Resources used
    --[X] Two Red Spirit Stones
    -[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
    --[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
    --[X] Spiritual
    [X] Spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin
    -[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
    [X] Breakthrough to Yellow
    [X] Plan Double Break
    [X] Resources used
    --[X] Two Red Spirit Stones
    -[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
    --[X] Spiritual
    ---[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
    --[X] If they could use them and refuse because they don't want a gift, offer to loan the stuff to them indefinitely.
    [X] Breakthrough Yellow
    ---[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
    [X] Breakthrough Silver
    -[X] If not Peak gold, cultivate physical
    [x] Plan Ambition
    [X] Resources used
    ---[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
    -[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
    ---[X] Argent Soul
    --[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
    -[x] Warn them about their origin and to wear them discreetly to avoid trouble
    [X] Cultivate on your own
    -[x] At the vent, if you encounter Huang Da try to agree to coexist and cultivate peacefully. if he refuses then just escape.
    -[x] 1x Spiritual
    -[X] 3x Argent Soul
    --[x] If through insane luck we manage to max AS with only 2 actions, then start yellow breakthrough
    [X] Plan Breakthroughs Priorities
    [X] Two Red Stones
    -[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
    --[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets. They aren't gifts, they're just paying them for all the help they've given us - we wouldn't have claimed the arive pass without their support. Let them know of their origins and to recommend discretion.
    --[X] Offer Su Ling the Qi Foundation pills in trade - she hunts beast cores for Li Suyin. For the next two weeks she can hunt them for us too.
    --[X] Spiritual
    -[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
    -[X] Talk to Han Jian see if he has any advice about the current 'political' situation
    -[X] Breakthrough to Yellow if at peak red, silver otherwise
    --[X] Finish Breakthrough if first roll succeeded. If first roll was for Silver, spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin. If first roll was Yellow then attempt Silver.
    [x] Plan Ambition
    [X] Resources used
    ---[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
    -[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
    --[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
    -[x] Warn them about their origin and to wear them discreetly to avoid trouble
    [X] Cultivate on your own
    -[x] At the vent, if you encounter Huang Da try to agree to coexist and cultivate peacefully. if he refuses then just escape.
    -[x] 1x Spiritual
    -[X] 3x Argent Soul
    --[x] If through insane luck we manage to max AS with only 2 actions, then start yellow breakthrough
 
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[X] Plan Double Break

Raging Fire is tempting mostly because it makes efficient use of some giant piles of dice that will no longer be available after breakthrough, so we're probably losing a double handful of invested successes by breaking through now. But breaking through is something that I want to have happened yesterday and as delicious as piles of cultivation successes are, they're not maximizing our odds of seeing a successful breakthrough by next turn. This does.
 
*whispers to fire guys* jump ship , our house is nice and warm.

Also there are many perks of finishing these socials now and then going all in on the cultivation
 
+a suspected Art list+

Du Zi (boy with pike)
- Ephemeral golden chains, seen used as trap, formation type

Xiao Lian (girl with blue glove)
- Blue bubble, possible anti illusion or perception bonus, brave aura? Pretty short range.

Unknown caster, possibly blue gloves girl, possibly leader?
- Fear/doubt aura, pretty long range.


Cui
- Acid sweat? Acid drool? Let's go with acid aura. Possibly venom aura as well.
- Acid/venom spit, known range 10 m.

Meizhen:
- Golden eyes? Racial or passive? Anti illusion or low light vision? Possibly related to her fear aura and gaze?
- Shadows pools on legs, use as?
- Dark water mantle, used as ice needle blast later.
- Venom slap, or basically venom touch, remembering Fan Yu.
- Prior fight suggests that she might be able to conjure multitude of snakes?

Archers
- Imbue arrows

Kang Zihao
- Possibly a combination of movment and strike art, used to blast Meizhen.
- Unclear if similar art is used on Ling Qi, or if it as physical attack.

Gan Guangli
- Self-buff strength, toughness, and size increase. Improves over time. Uncler if it helps all physical abilities (speed? accuracy?).

Cai Ren Xiang
- Light show... No actual effect is shown. Might counter Mist.

Sun Liling
- Han Jian stated that she has healing arts, possibly the one Meizhen mentions as family talent. Helps maintain her blood arts?
- Red mist, now possibly blood vapor.
- Toxic blood, used with blood vapor to form armor and weapon.

Typing on phone... So slow.
 
*whispers to fire guys* jump ship , our house is nice and warm.

Also there are many perks of finishing these socials now and then going all in on the cultivation
I'm... disliking how it tries to have so many different things in each socials, and I am not a fan of that trade with Su Ling at all. Also main reason I voted for Fire wasn't the house, it was Argent Soul. As is, the only thing I like in Plan House Sitting seems to be meeting with Han Jian, so....
 
I'm... disliking how it tries to have so many different things in each socials, and I am not a fan of that trade with Su Ling at all. Also main reason I voted for Fire wasn't the house, it was Argent Soul. As is, the only thing I like in Plan House Sitting seems to be meeting with Han Jian, so....

Double are going to close off any chance of using the pills just as well - it's just not worth an action and the worth of the pills to use them ourselves at this point.
 
I'm... disliking how it tries to have so many different things in each socials, and I am not a fan of that trade with Su Ling at all. Also main reason I voted for Fire wasn't the house, it was Argent Soul. As is, the only thing I like in Plan House Sitting seems to be meeting with Han Jian, so....

It's OK I understand.... just know that I will love you much more if we get to go house hunting with best snek, don't you want these rodent hugs? *fans himself seductively with leaf
 
Double are going to close off any chance of using the pills just as well - it's just not worth an action and the worth of the pills to use them ourselves at this point.
Every Argent Soul action is an action well used. I consider Argent Soul/Physical Cultivation/Spiritual Cultivation three actions we should be using every week, as those are marathon actions.

To some degree, FVM and SCS are also like that, but the main difference there is they benefit more heavily from tinkering with drugs so their efficiency can vary more wildly. AS has optimal drug possibility this week though.
 
Every Argent Soul action is an action well used. I consider Argent Soul/Physical Cultivation/Spiritual Cultivation three actions we should be using every week, as those are marathon actions.

To some degree, FVM and SCS are also like that, but the main difference there is they benefit more heavily from tinkering with drugs so their efficiency can vary more wildly. AS has optimal drug possibility this week though.

We've had this argument a couple times now, but Argent Soul is low priority - we're getting auto-successes on it every week, and drugs that will turn other cultivation into Argent Soul cultivation. More AS successes are pretty cheap at this point and shouldn't eat our actions.
 
*rolls around seductively on new patio of our new house that also has cool stuff in it and is conveniently near either Gu or su ling and like suyin * oh I didn't see you there... would you like to come into this nice shiny house we picked out with our bff? Good thing we all voted for this right guys ;)
 
*rolls around seductively on new patio of our new house that also has cool stuff in it and is conveniently near either Gu or su ling and like suyin * oh I didn't see you there... would you like to come into this nice shiny house we picked out with our bff? Good thing we all voted for this right guys ;)
I was contemplating switching to the Fire Vote, but you really solidified my loyalty to the House Vote.

Good on you Mr. Rodent.
 
I basically just really, really want the 'search for house with Meizhen' action, so I'm fine with either Sitting Pretty, or Raging Fire winning, but not Double Break.
 
I was contemplating switching to the Fire Vote, but you really solidified my loyalty to the House Vote.

Good on you Mr. Rodent.

I'm using ever skill I have left to make sure either wins , as long of dble doesn't win I'm OK I want this social dammit D: ! Let me have this . I'll beg if I have to I have very little morals, I eat trash for a living
 
We've had this argument a couple times now, but Argent Soul is low priority - we're getting auto-successes on it every week, and drugs that will turn other cultivation into Argent Soul cultivation. More AS successes are pretty cheap at this point and shouldn't eat our actions.
Yeah, we are never going to agree on that. AS is basically number 1 priority right now beside breakthroughs, as it's a marathon where every week badly done significantly set us back. "It goes by a bit every month" is exactly the issue, as this way we won't get it for another 10+ weeks at least and it's a multiplier of everything else.
 
I basically just really, really want the 'search for house with Meizhen' action, so I'm fine with either Sitting Pretty, or Raging Fire winning, but not Double Break.

I have slightly different reasons, but the same view: namely, that Double Break is the worst by far of the currently leading plans.

EDIT: Basically, I won't vote for a plan that doesn't include a minimum of two social actions.
 
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[X] Plan Double Break

For those concerned about Argent Soul, Plan Double Break is superior to Plan Housesitting Pretty and, arguably, Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire. Now hold on, hear me out.

Yes, Raging Fire includes an AS cultivation action this turn. However, look at the voting trends. There is a strong push towards both breaking through and social actions. The current winning plan is so in favor of the latter that it's entirely possible it only spends 1 action on breaking through. Where does that leave time for cultivating AS next week? Spoiler: it doesn't, and it doesn't by design. Raging Fire has the same issue to a lesser degree; if one of the rolls fails, there is no way there will be patience for accomodating the vitally needed AS cultivation actions next week. Not competing against the inevitable push for breakthroughs and social.

Plan Double Break is the only plan that actually significantly attempts to clear plate. Yes, we'll most likely have breakthroughs to tidy up next turn, but statistically the fewest. Social actions multiply endlessly, there is no ridding ourselves of them or the insatiable drive for more; it's a losing game to try to placate social drives this week to spare yourself them the next. They will be a serious competitor next turn, so in order to advance AS cultivation next turn and onwards, it is most sensible to eliminate the much more concrete Breakthroughs at the front end as much as possible.

Work with me so that I can work with you. AS5 is my great dream in this quest, and to reach it the most reliably as I can think of, I am voting for Plan Double Break this turn.
 
Vote Tally : Original - Fantasy - Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest) | Page 307 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.2

[X] Plan Double Break
[X] Resources used
-[X] Two Red Spirit Stones
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Spiritual
-[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
--[X] If they could use them and refuse because they don't want a gift, offer to loan the stuff to them indefinitely.
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
-[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
[X] Breakthrough Silver
[X] Breakthrough Silver
-[X] If not Peak gold, cultivate physical
No. of Votes: 18

[X] Plan Housesitting Pretty
[X] Two Red Stones
-[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets. They aren't gifts, they're just paying them for all the help they've given us - we wouldn't have claimed the arive pass without their support.
--[X] Offer Su Ling the Qi Foundation pills in trade - she hunts beast cores for Li Suyin. For the next two weeks she can hunt them for us too.
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
-[X] Talk to Han Jian see if he has any advice about the current 'political' situation
-[X] Breakthrough to Yellow if at peak red, silver otherwise
--[X] Finish Breakthrough if first roll succeeded. If we failed, spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin.
No. of Votes: 17

[X] Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire
[X] Resources used
---[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
---[X] Spiritual
---[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
---[X] Talk about the politics of the last battle
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
---[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
[X] Cultivate on your own
---[X] Argent Soul
No. of Votes: 13

[X] Plan all aboard the big team train, Yellow Ranger.
[X]Qi Foundation Pill, Argent Accumulation Pill, 2 red spirit stones
[X] Buy the needed Argent Accumulation Pill
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[X] Argent Soul
[X] Spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin
-[X] Explain your reasoning for inviting Li Siyun and Lu Sing's group to the training if need be, and try to find a middle ground for things to work out. Maybe a mercantile transaction if an alliance cannot work?
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Give Su Ling and Li Suyin their gifts.
-[X] Spiritual
-[X]If Gu Xiulan is willing to be nicer to them, and Li Suyin and Lu Sing agree, see about inviting Han Jian's group.
[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
-[X]If not at Peak Red, Silver
[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
-[X]If not at Peak Red, Silver
-[X]If not at Peak Gold Either, Train with Han Jian and his group for physical cultivation.
No. of Votes: 2

[X] Plan With All the Strength of a Raging Fire
[X] Resources used
---[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
---[X] Spiritual
---[X] Give your gifts to them, they deserve it
[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
---[X] Talk about the politics of the last battle
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
---[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
[X] Cultivate on your own
---[X] Argent Soul
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
[X] Breakthrough Yellow
---[X] If not Peak Red, cultivate spiritual
[X] Cultivate on your own
---[X] Argent Soul
No. of Votes: 2

[X] Plan This is not a harem plan
-[X] Resources used
--[X] Two Red Spirit Stones
-[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin
-[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
-[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
-[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
No. of Votes: 1

[x] Plan Ambition
[X] Resources used
-[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Argent Soul
-[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
-[x] Warn them about their origin and to wear them discreetly to avoid trouble
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[x] At the vent, if you encounter Huang Da try to agree to coexist and cultivate peacefully. if he refuses then just escape.
-[x] 1x Spiritual
-[X] 3x Argent Soul
--[x] If through insane luck we manage to max AS with only 2 actions, then start yellow breakthrough
No. of Votes: 1

[X] Plan Breakthroughs Priorities
[X] Two Red Stones
-[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
--[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets. They aren't gifts, they're just paying them for all the help they've given us - we wouldn't have claimed the arive pass without their support. Let them know of their origins and to recommend discretion.
--[X] Offer Su Ling the Qi Foundation pills in trade - she hunts beast cores for Li Suyin. For the next two weeks she can hunt them for us too.
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Go House hunting with Bai Meizhen
-[X] Talk to Han Jian see if he has any advice about the current 'political' situation
-[X] Breakthrough to Yellow if at peak red, silver otherwise
--[X] Finish Breakthrough if first roll succeeded. If first roll was for Silver, spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin. If first roll was Yellow then attempt Silver.
No. of Votes: 1

[x] Plan Ambition
[X] Resources used
-[X] Two Red Spirit Stones, Argent Accumulation pill, Qi Foundation Pill
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Argent Soul
-[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
-[x] Warn them about their origin and to wear them discreetly to avoid trouble
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[x] At the vent, if you encounter Huang Da try to agree to coexist and cultivate peacefully. if he refuses then just escape.
-[x] 1x Spiritual
-[X] 3x Argent Soul
--[x] If through insane luck we manage to max AS with only 2 actions, then start yellow breakthrough
-[X] Spiritual
-[X] Give Su Ling the Lotus Root Pin and Li Suyin the Skirmisher's Anklets.
-[x] Warn them about their origin and to wear them discreetly to avoid trouble
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[x] At the vent, if you encounter Huang Da try to agree to coexist and cultivate peacefully. if he refuses then just escape.
-[x] 1x Spiritual
-[X] 3x Argent Soul
--[x] If through insane luck we manage to max AS with only 2 actions, then start yellow breakthrough
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 56
Double Breakthrough is in the lead now. If you are voting for With All the Strength of a Raging Fire and want to do the house action with Meizhen you should consider switching to Housesitting.
Edit: And some information about the political information from Han Jian, that's important to know.
 
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Raging Fire is tempting mostly because it makes efficient use of some giant piles of dice that will no longer be available after breakthrough
It makes a single one time use. I wouldn't call that efficient. you want efficient use of those dice go with plan ambition.
We've had this argument a couple times now, but Argent Soul is low priority - we're getting auto-successes on it every week, and drugs that will turn other cultivation into Argent Soul cultivation. More AS successes are pretty cheap at this point and shouldn't eat our actions.
what?
+1 Health Box
-During Cultivation roll again for each 1.
-Users gain six bonus dice to all cultivation attempts up until Mid Yellow Soul Stage.
-Users gain a three bonus successes on all attempts to expand their Qi pool up to a maximum of twenty five.
-User reduces the successes needed for opening Meridians by one
-User Gains +4 bonus Qi
-Users may reroll a failed check or test once per turn.
-User may bind Grade 1 spirits at Yellow Soul
-Users Breakthrough Value increases by 5
Raising argent soul is ridiculously awesome and pays of in dividends. Cultivating other stuff gets way more successes per action because of argent soul
 
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It makes a single one time use. I wouldn't call that efficient. you want efficient use of those dice go with plan ambition.
We get %50 dice for each action past the first when cultivating the same thing. This is why most efficient cultivation is always to cultivate a lot of different things in the same week.

This is also why AS is a marathon, as it's most efficient when having at least one action toward it every week until we can reasonably finish it in a week.
 
Cards~ Put Art in caaaaards~

EDIT: I will also note we can trade our allies arts through the cards, like Meizhen's stare.
 
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