The one I'd like to give up on is the independent research house rimward of Gammon. I can let that one go.
That one I can't if they are the source of the Mentat that was working on the Star keeping them contained is important. For me Bene-know what is happening on the ground in case we have 3rd party interference and for general use in understanding negotiating positions. By knowing where their unexpected strength is coming from we may understand how better to deal and get a true peace with them if it comes down to it. The minor house to avoid the chance of rogue mentat activity. And I switched to boost intel since that seems to be a general help.
 
I'm just afraid that people are getting so locked in on the crew issue that they windmill slam that option in before considering if it is a good option compared to the others. Or considering the options on balance at all.

And, for myself, thinking about all of the options; unless we get a reward that is totally out of scale with established rewards, then it simply isn't quite worth it.

Which is why I voted for options that finish tidying up all the loose ends on the super science front and then laying intelligence infrastructure to makes sure that: A: They don't keep fucking around with shit in secret, and B: the Romulans don't render all of our work moot.

We need to finish the job and /make sure it stays done/
 
We also had an internal diplo team doing a recruiting push which should help a little bit. What would also help is more affiliates and 300+ affiliates, both Liao and Ked Peddah are close to affiliating and a push next year could get the Honiani there.
 
We also had an internal diplo team doing a recruiting push which should help a little bit. What would also help is more affiliates and 300+ affiliates, both Liao and Ked Peddah are close to affiliating and a push next year could get the Honiani there.

We've already accounted for that and we still don't have enough crew. It's a seriously dire shortage and I hate that people are downplaying it. Do you want a crew-related political crisis? That's what we're currently on track for.
 
We've already accounted for that and we still don't have enough crew. It's a seriously dire shortage and I hate that people are downplaying it. Do you want a crew-related political crisis? That's what we're currently on track for.

The Licori flipping to the Romulans will be an evan worse crisis politics wise because then the questions become "Why didn't you see this coming?" And we answer with "Instead of strengthening our local networks we decided to take care of personnel matters"

I think "Staffing crisis after a war" is fairly excusable from most people's perspectives. (Maybe not the President, but she's already a bit of a derp anyway)
 
The Licori flipping to the Romulans will be an evan worse crisis politics wise because then the questions become "Why didn't you see this coming?" And we answer with "Instead of strengthening our local networks we decided to take care of personnel matters"

I think "Staffing crisis after a war" is fairly excusable from most people's perspectives. (Maybe not the President, but she's already a bit of a derp anyway)

I don't think we can avoid the Licori flipping to the Romulans just by strengthening local assets. If that's in the cards, it is way too little way way too late. Like, years too late. It would be nice to have a local team but they would just be one team, not even a full office. Even if we have to counter the Romulans, we will have to essentially make do with what we have either way.

e: And it matters that the President is a derp, because Sousa will be forced to resign. We have to work with the President we have.
 
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We've already accounted for that and we still don't have enough crew. It's a seriously dire shortage and I hate that people are downplaying it. Do you want a crew-related political crisis? That's what we're currently on track for.

Eh. Part of it is an issue of when you subtract the crew. If you're looking at my spreadsheet, I subtract the crew for the Endurance and the Sojourner right now as they enter repair. But practically speaking, is that the right way to look at it? If instead we subtracted the crew next year when they're repaired and ready to launch, things will look a lot better.
 
I don't think we can avoid the Licori flipping to the Romulans just by strengthening local assets. If that's in the cards, it is way too little way way too late. Like, years too late. It would be nice to have a local team but they would just be one team, not even a full office. Even if we have to counter the Romulans, we will have to essentially make do with what we have either way.

e: And it matters that the President is a derp, because Sousa will be forced to resign.

That's not an argument for just ignoring the issue and hoping that it goes away, it's an argument for getting more resources there faster.

A lot of their work is balanced by "lol we control space" and if we can figure put what they're up to we have a very good chance of doing something effective about it.
 
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Q3 this year we are 4 units in the hole.

Eh. Part of it is an issue of when you subtract the crew. If you're looking at my spreadsheet, I subtract the crew for the Endurance and the Sojourner right now as they enter repair. But practically speaking, is that the right way to look at it? If instead we subtracted the crew next year when they're repaired and ready to launch, things will look a lot better.

Okay, so we have talked about this in the past but we may want to put one or two constellations into mothballs for a year or two then. That will free up personnel, I will check the sheet and see what source of crew income I can find that we can push for as well.
 
Okay, so we have talked about this in the past but we may want to put one or two constellations into mothballs for a year or two then. That will free up personnel, I will check the sheet and see what source of crew income I can find that we can push for as well.

I don't understand why you quoted my post explaining why we don't need the crew until next year, after we get next year's crew income, and then started talking about mothballing constellations. Why would we do that if we have enough crew for all our ships?
 
@OneirosTheWriter I am updating the ship spreadsheets I maintain and I am having difficulty with three ships.
1. The Corvette commenced by the Risans is it the light (escort) or heavy (cruiser) variety?
2. The Starfleet Cargo ships completed at Betazoid and Apiata.... when did those start? The only ones I recall being built were at either Vulcan or Andor from the 2314 MWCO session.
I checked back in the 2314, 2313 and 2312 snakepit and do not see a cargo ship started that could match those two that commissioned.

I don't understand why you quoted my post explaining why we don't need the crew until next year, after we get next year's crew income, and then started talking about mothballing constellations. Why would we do that if we have enough crew for all our ships?
If we need the crew next year I think mothballing constellations should be an option we consider. Though looking at it we would be short on O by 4 next year assuming no more losses.... did you guys account for the surviving crew from the Thunderhead in those numbers?
 
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About sending the Vulcans in versus letting the Ked Peddah destroy that mentat research.

Yes it's a small risk in terms of gameplay, but consider this. If I told you that there was a chance for you to make a lot of money, and it only had a 1 in 1000 chance of blowing up a city... what would be the right thing to do?
You know, I honestly wish that we were able to pick and choose the research stations to look through rather than a choice to look at all of them, or destroy all of them. As for the question, I would ask as a follow up about the odds of warp cores to suffer catastrophic damage in combat. If the odds of damage from study is lower than the odds of a warp core breach in system, I would be fine with it.
 
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[X][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed
[X][KED] Have the Vulcan Survey Corps research cruiser head out to investigate (large chance of +rp, minute chance of catastrophic ka-boom)
[X][FRG] Assign TF 6, the Gaeni
[X][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.
[X][MISC] Have retired Admiral Kahurangi start appealing for recruits for Starfleet and the member world fleets.
 
That's not an argument for just ignoring the issue and hoping that it goes away, it's an argument for getting more resources there faster.

A lot of their work is balanced by "lol we control space" and if we can figure put what they're up to we have a very good chance of doing something effective about it.

Chances are good that a counter looks like "fly in one of the EC", you know, the way the Federation has always dealt with the Romulans. I don't feel we eliminate that option just because we have a handful fewer agents on the ground, whereas our response can be eliminated by causing a big enough crisis at home. And the President has indicated she is willing to cause that big crisis.

But realistically, while I think it's fair to say that the Romulans may have some sort of ongoing play and goal, it is fully speculative at this point and we have no evidence whatsoever. Meanwhile you're ignoring the crew issue and hoping it goes away, but we have no means at all in regular play of correcting this, except letting hulls sit empty, an option we have never taken and which will blow up in our faces pretty quickly. Let's fix the problem we know we have, rather than the problem we don't know we have.

The assets we already have and the fairly good chance that we'll start an investigation given the vote, will give us means to act on the Bene or on the Romulans, whereas we don't have any other means to act on the crew problem.

e: If we can get the vote so that we do both crew and the intel group I do prefer that over other combinations.
 
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[X][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed
[X][KED] Have the Vulcan Survey Corps research cruiser head out to investigate (large chance of +rp, minute chance of catastrophic ka-boom)
[X][FRG] Assign TF 6, the Gaeni
[X][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.
[X][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them.
[X][MISC] Have retired Admiral Kahurangi start appealing for recruits for Starfleet and the member world fleets.
 
Lots of votes today!


Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) | Page 1878 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.8.4
Task: LAIO
[X][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed
No. of Votes: 31
Void Stalker
Aeondrac
aeqnai
AKuz
Briefvoice
cast2007
Chaos Blade
ctulhuslp
Driven by Apathy
Erandil
Gadjo
Gingganz
Glassware
Iron Wolf
Jrin
LaggPlaguedDuke
lbmaian
MTB
Muramasa
Nervos Belli
Night_stalker
Nix
pheonix89
Random Member
Simon_Jester
Steven Kodaly
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Theunderbolt
Tylonius
Wellhello
Winged One
[X][LAIO] Focus on the Advanced Laian Research Institute - They have worked with a number of mentats in the past, and may be able to help unknot some of their superscience traps
No. of Votes: 18
tryrar
aledeth
Chacmon
Chimeraguard
ClawClawBite
Crazy Tom
dacsan
Derek58
Finagle007
Forgothrax
Goat
JesseJ
karmaoa
KnightDisciple
Leila Hann
Mr Tebbs
NHO
PauliExklusor

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: KED
[X][KED] Allow the Ked Paddah to destroy the research station debris.
No. of Votes: 28
Void Stalker
aeqnai
AKuz
Briefvoice
cast2007
Chimeraguard
ctulhuslp
Driven by Apathy
Gadjo
Gingganz
Glassware
Iron Wolf
JesseJ
KnightDisciple
Leila Hann
Muer'ci
Muramasa
Nervos Belli
nocarename
pheonix89
Random Member
Steven Kodaly
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Theunderbolt
Tylonius
Vebyast
Wellhello
Winged One
[X][KED] Have the Vulcan Survey Corps research cruiser head out to investigate (large chance of +rp, minute chance of catastrophic ka-boom)
No. of Votes: 24
tryrar
Aeondrac
aledeth
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
ClawClawBite
Crazy Tom
dacsan
Derek58
Erandil
Finagle007
Forgothrax
Goat
Jrin
karmaoa
Katsuragi
LaggPlaguedDuke
lbmaian
Mr Tebbs
MTB
NHO
Night_stalker
PauliExklusor
Simon_Jester

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: FRG
[X][FRG] Assign TF 6, the Gaeni
No. of Votes: 47
tryrar
Aeondrac
aeqnai
AKuz
aledeth
Briefvoice
cast2007
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
Chimeraguard
ClawClawBite
Crazy Tom
ctulhuslp
dacsan
Derek58
Driven by Apathy
Erandil
Forgothrax
Gadjo
Gingganz
Glassware
Iron Wolf
JesseJ
Jrin
karmaoa
LaggPlaguedDuke
lbmaian
Leila Hann
Mr Tebbs
MTB
Muramasa
Nervos Belli
NHO
Night_stalker
Nix
nocarename
PauliExklusor
pheonix89
Random Member
Simon_Jester
Steven Kodaly
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Theunderbolt
Tylonius
Void Stalker
Wellhello
Winged One
[X][FRG] Assign TF 2, ka'Sharren's people
No. of Votes: 2
Finagle007
KnightDisciple

——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: MISC
[X][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.
No. of Votes: 38
tryrar
Aeondrac
aeqnai
AKuz
aledeth
cast2007
Chacmon
Chaos Blade
Chimeraguard
ClawClawBite
Crazy Tom
Driven by Apathy
Erandil
Finagle007
Forgothrax
Gadjo
Gingganz
Goat
Jrin
karmaoa
KnightDisciple
LaggPlaguedDuke
lbmaian
Leila Hann
MTB
Muramasa
Nervos Belli
NHO
Night_stalker
pheonix89
Random Member
Simon_Jester
Steven Kodaly
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Theunderbolt
Tylonius
Void Stalker
Winged One
[X][MISC] The surprising advances of House Bene are concerning, and you should try to look into them.
No. of Votes: 29
tryrar
aledeth
Briefvoice
Chacmon
Chimeraguard
ClawClawBite
Crazy Tom
ctulhuslp
dacsan
Derek58
Driven by Apathy
Finagle007
Forgothrax
Glassware
Goat
Iron Wolf
Jrin
karmaoa
KnightDisciple
LaggPlaguedDuke
Muer'ci
NHO
PauliExklusor
Random Member
Simon_Jester
Theunderbolt
Tylonius
Void Stalker
Wellhello
[X][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them.
No. of Votes: 29
Void Stalker
aeqnai
AKuz
Briefvoice
Chaos Blade
Chimeraguard
ClawClawBite
ctulhuslp
Driven by Apathy
Gadjo
Glassware
Iron Wolf
Joshrand1982
Jrin
karmaoa
KnightDisciple
lbmaian
Mr Tebbs
Muer'ci
Muramasa
NHO
nocarename
pheonix89
Simon_Jester
Steven Kodaly
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Tylonius
Wellhello
Winged One
[X][MISC] Have retired Admiral Kahurangi start appealing for recruits for Starfleet and the member world fleets.
No. of Votes: 27
tryrar
Aeondrac
aeqnai
Chacmon
Crazy Tom
dacsan
DarknessSmiles
Derek58
Finagle007
Forgothrax
Gadjo
Gingganz
HearthBorn
Joshrand1982
LaggPlaguedDuke
lbmaian
Leila Hann
Mr Tebbs
MTB
Nervos Belli
Nix
nocarename
PauliExklusor
pheonix89
SynchronizedWritersBlock
Theunderbolt
Vebyast
[x][MISC] Start a discreet program of tachyon tracking devices along the main routes between Arcadian star systems, like in Orion space.
No. of Votes: 19
MTB
AKuz
aledeth
Chaos Blade
ctulhuslp
dacsan
Glassware
Goat
HearthBorn
Iron Wolf
Leila Hann
Muramasa
Nervos Belli
nocarename
PauliExklusor
Random Member
Steven Kodaly
Wellhello
Winged One
[X][MISC] Continue to establish protective outposts in fringe Federation systems
No. of Votes: 7
Muer'ci
cast2007
Derek58
Erandil
Gingganz
HearthBorn
Night_stalker
[X][MISC] Reports of a Honiani tramp moving through Arcadian space should be looked at.
No. of Votes: 4
Erandil
Briefvoice
cast2007
Night_stalker
Total No. of Voters: 56

MISC is close enough that only position 1 is secure right now. Likely we'll see a one-vote decision with 60+ voters.
 
[X][LAIO] Focus on the Laian Exploration Council - They know the local systems well, and may know of any Arcadian outposts that have gone unnoticed
[X][KED] Allow the Ked Paddah to destroy the research station debris.
[X][FRG] Assign TF 6, the Gaeni
[X][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.
[X][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them.
[X][MISC] Start a discreet program of tachyon tracking devices along the main routes between Arcadian star systems, like in Orion space.
 
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[X][LAIO] Focus on the Advanced Laian Research Institute - They have worked with a number of mentats in the past, and may be able to help unknot some of their superscience traps
[X][KED] Have the Vulcan Survey Corps research cruiser head out to investigate (large chance of +rp, minute chance of catastrophic ka-boom)
[X][FRG] Assign TF 6, the Gaeni

[X][MISC] The surprising advances of House Bene are concerning, and you should try to look into them.
[X][MISC] There are rumours of an independent research house rimward of Gammon, carefully hidden away. It should be investigated.
[X][MISC] Linderley's team on Morshadd could be the nucleus of a useful asset if you can reinforce them.
 
The one I'd like to give up on is the independent research house rimward of Gammon. I can let that one go.
I... have a strong hunch that independent house is important. Among other things because we know Korannon Kortennon was involved in the star-blasting technology, and we have good reason to think they wouldn't be doing their development of that technology in a star system they owned and valued.

I'm just afraid that people are getting so locked in on the crew issue that they windmill slam that option in before considering if it is a good option compared to the others. Or considering the options on balance at all.

And, for myself, thinking about all of the options; unless we get a reward that is totally out of scale with established rewards, then it simply isn't quite worth it.

Which is why I voted for options that finish tidying up all the loose ends on the super science front and then laying intelligence infrastructure to makes sure that: A: They don't keep fucking around with shit in secret, and B: the Romulans don't render all of our work moot.

We need to finish the job and /make sure it stays done/
I agree. Being able to re-crew one more ship is good, but actually winning the conflict we lost the crew of that ship in in the first place is better.

I honestly think that voting for the recruitment option is a mistake.

The other options are literally things that we can get no other way.

But recruitment, no matter how tempting is a task we can accomplish in other ways at other times.

Voting for it now is literally passing up choices that we will never get ever again for something that ticks over every turn.
Sorry, but that's not true. We don't have methods for increasing our crew income beyond expansions every Snakepit, which is already going flat out. It seems the option that is most unique, to me.
You're wrong, because you jumped to false conclusions about people's goals.

It depends on whether you think the purpose of the game is "build up big pile of ships," or "experience plot," or a mix of the two. Obviously, the recruitment option is unique in directly aiding "pile up more ships." On the other hand, it does nothing towards "experience plot."

But realistically, while I think it's fair to say that the Romulans may have some sort of ongoing play and goal, it is fully speculative at this point and we have no evidence whatsoever. Meanwhile you're ignoring the crew issue and hoping it goes away...
That's a lie.

People are not ignoring the crew issue, they've voted for a number of ordinary and extraordinary crew recruitment moves in the recent past.

What you're complaining about is that people might dare to suggest that there can be priorities other than crew recruitment. That in a contest between "recruit more crew" and "do something else," "something else" is allowed to sometimes win instead of always losing.

So if you're going to make a big deal about how other people are completely wrong, and that they don't have any evidence for anything... don't misrepresent other people's actions.
 
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You're wrong, because you jumped to false conclusions about people's goals.

It depends on whether you think the purpose of the game is "build up big pile of ships," or "experience plot," or a mix of the two. Obviously, the recruitment option is unique in directly aiding "pile up more ships." On the other hand, it does nothing towards "experience plot."

That's a lie.

People are not ignoring the crew issue, they've voted for a number of ordinary and extraordinary crew recruitment moves in the recent past.

What you're complaining about is that people might dare to suggest that there can be priorities other than crew recruitment. That in a contest between "recruit more crew" and "do something else," "something else" is allowed to sometimes win instead of always losing.

So if you're going to make a big deal about how other people are completely wrong, and that they don't have any evidence for anything... don't misrepresent other people's actions.

I don't think there's a single positive thing I can say about your argument. Can we not?
 
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