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Found an interesting image of the USS Bombay (the TOS Miranda that's depicted in the media post), this is during 2265 and apparently the battle almost lead to war between the Federation and Tholians (she destroyed 4 out of 6 attackers, but was herself lost with all hands).

So I guess that might be our next proper war, depending on how the dice roll.

 
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Considering the wider firing arcs of our Mark 2 phaser banks (even the Mark 2-2 upgrade), I could see how that might get the described coverage - especially if they were spaced better to take advantage of those wide arcs without opening anything but a rear gap. Having a ~90 degree cone out the back where you can't shoot is a potentially worthwhile trade for a ship that's agile enough, and the Miranda certainly isn't slow at sublight, even if she's still less nimble than an Excalibur (which plays into how Enterprise vs Reliant is likely to play out ITTL, because Kirk's going to know that one of the Enterprise's advantages is that she's faster and more nimble than the Reliant in an actual fight, unless the damage to the warp core slows E down).
 
[X] Two Forward, Two Aft (Mark IV) [24/72 Damage] [Cost: 169]
Ummed and Ahhed a bit on this one - considered just 1 aft.
But I want people to be equally punished in a fleet fight by flying either in front or behind the formation.
Restricting them to trying to hit us from the side cuts off a lot of avenues of approach, especially if we are traveling at speed. Unless they can literally side strafe, or have weapons point to the side and are flying in the same direction as us it is essentially a single firing run worth of firepower.
 
Something that I've just noticed with the Federation (and Miranda), Starfleet has upped the cruise requirement from 6 months to 12. This means that (assuming the ratios stay the same, so 2.975x base) if we did go for a dilithium tank the ship should have a range of 934 light years or approximately 3 years at efficient cruise.

Wootius said:
remember when they limit cruising speed eventually in TNG? the Miranda will have the last laugh 👀 /s
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Funnily enough, warp 6 on the TOS scale is just slightly (3c) faster than warp 5 on the TNG scale, so that does bare out.
 
if that's how large the dilithium tanks are that's just more reason for dilithium survey equipment so that we're able to refuel all our ships
 
Onionjones said:
if that's how large the dilithium tanks are that's just more reason for dilithium survey equipment so that we're able to refuel all our ships
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Dilithium isn't fuel (in spite of what discovery would tell you), it's a regulator for matter/anti-matter reactions that at this point in time cannot be recrystallised (and even the recrystallisation presumably becomes less and less effective ove time) and so is the main limiting factor in the construction of new warp cores or the continued operation of existing ones.

However, the fact that we're going to be pushing more power through there for longer means it's probably going to be used up quicker and in greater quantities, so survey equipment is still going to be very useful - especially since the Miranda, even if it gets any, is going to be confined to mostly internal space.
 
Onionjones said:
Damn, the more you know then
It seemed like some sort of fuel
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It is closer to engine oil. It's not the actual power source, but if you try to run an engine without it you stop having an engine.

Warp cores run off antimatter. Antimatter is made at fusion powered production stations that orbit gas giants harvesting basically unlimited amounts of hydrogen to power themselves.

Lots of power + any mass feedstock = antimatter.

So starship fuel is actually pretty renewable. The universe is a LONG way from running out of hydrogen. It's just so dangerous you don't put anything near where you make and store it, but actually making it isn't hard.

It's the Dilithium that's actually limited. If you run out you basically get stuck trying to to run ships using fusion and that sucks.
 
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It's not strictly fuel, but it seemingly does degrade over time of use. Voyager had at least one plot where they got drawn into problems because they were looking for dilithium.
 
Strunkriidiisk said:
It's not strictly fuel, but it seemingly does degrade over time of use. Voyager had at least one plot where they got drawn into problems because they were looking for dilithium.
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Huh, I've watched all of voyager and I don't remember that episode - to be fair I thought a lot of it was forgettable

I kind of zoned out for most of it
 
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[X] Two Forward, One Aft (Rapid) [36/108 Damage]/[18/56 Damage] [Cost: 185]
[x] Two Forward, One Aft (Mark IV) [24/72 Damage]/[12/36 Damage] [Cost: 164]

Part of me wishes we had gotten the rollbar torps for the meme value of quad rapid launchers.
 
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[X] Two Forward, Two Aft (Mark IV) [24/72 Damage] [Cost: 169]

Fouredged Sword said:
Meanwhile the Federation focused on maxing the performance of the nacelles and overbuilding nacelles. When we get the next nacelle I would not be supposed to see them slotted in 2 per ship, removing the double nacelle because the double nacelle is no longer needed.

And if not the Federation is going to be able to redline it's already oversized core and have nacelles that can actually ISE that power without exploding.
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No any refit will be quad nacelles the Federation exceeds hr natural warpcore nacelle max cruise by Nacelle cycling. That means that even with the new nacelles her superior max cruisingspeed will be higher than that of other ships using two nacelles and cores. Its litterally an advantage baked into the design!


Fouredged Sword said:
And worse it isn't clear the mini core will be comparable with the eventual warp 9 core we designed the standard warp 8 core to be comparable with. It may be completely left in the dist of history because of the compromises made to make it cheap.
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Again, if the Mirandas mini core is somehow incompatible with the warp 9 core she just doesn't get upgraded/refited and we get a brief to design sucessor.(Indirectly beating the MirandaNemesis from last thread!)


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Derpmind said:
For the low, low Cost of 245, of course.
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You just lack the vision to really appreciate Torpedo Rollbar Federation class!
 
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I hope the Miranda can be refit with the warp 9 core - or at least a minimal version of it

I know I didn't vote for the warp 8 core but it should be possible to make the warp 9 version refit compatible, right?
 
Onionjones said:
I hope the Miranda can be refit with the warp 9 core - or at least a minimal version of it

I know I didn't vote for the warp 8 core but it should be possible to make the warp 9 version refit compatible, right?
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Making the Warp 8 core compatible with the Warp 9 core was the sacrifice we made that led to the entire situation with the Klingons. So I hope so.
 
Bedpotato said:
Again, if the Mirandas mini core is somehow incompatible with the warp 9 core she just doesn't get upgraded/refited and we get a brief to design sucessor.(Indirectly beating the MirandaNemesis from last thread!)
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Probably gonna get a warp 9 mini core, to be honest.


Bedpotato said:
No any refit will be quad nacelles the Federation exceeds hr natural warpcore nacelle max cruise by Nacelle cycling. That means that even with the new nacelles her superior max cruisingspeed will be higher than that of other ships using two nacelles and cores. Its litterally an advantage baked into the design!
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I imagine we'll be in a similar position with our new nacelles and the eventually warp 9 core, might as well stick to it.
 
pheonix89 said:
[X] Two Forward, One Aft (Rapid) [36/108 Damage]/[18/56 Damage] [Cost: 185]
[x] Two Forward, One Aft (Mark IV) [24/72 Damage]/[12/36 Damage] [Cost: 164]

Part of me wishes we had gotten the rollbar torps for the meme value of quad rapid launchers.
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Just watch us pack so many weapons systems on the rollbar, it gets chonkier and thicker (we should pack on more Point Defense phasers, oh crap not enough power, throw in another MAM reactor, etc) until we basically strapped another ship on top of our ship. :cool:
 
Strictly speaking, you don't need Dilithium to run Matter/Antimatter.

You need Dilithium to regulate that reaction sufficiently that you can safely go above ~Warp 5 or so.

[X] Two Forward (Mark IV) [24/72 Damage] [Cost: 159]
 
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