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Four OTOH? You are now beginning to talk real money and having to justify the hardware costs
And I dont think you can

FWIW I would go for two more frontal photon launchers but probably not the two rear ones? A couple of aft tubs to discourage pursuit is fine, but photon torpedoes are fundamentally not a coverage weapon, they're a "mass as many possible to murder enemy ships" weapon.

Technically that means we aren't getting everything out of the rollbar module if we only mount frontal torps there, but it's not like it's costing us money in the first place, so, eh?
 
[X] Rollbar Nacelle Supports (+2 Fore/Aft Torpedo Mounts)

There is another advantage to a torpedo rollbar... That means we may not have to sacrifice internal ship modules for mounting those torpedoes. We were all leery of losing modules for firepower, we may not do so if there's a dedicated space for it.

If we end up over-arming a ship, that'll be a first, and as far as I'm concerned a very useful lesson.
Unfortunately we specifically won't get more module space from rollbar launchers.
 
[X] Rollbar Nacelle Supports (+2 Fore/Aft Torpedo Mounts)

Here's hopeing this will save space in the sauser for other things.
 
It seems impossible to me to justify why, on our 100+ Cost ship, the option to pay 10 Cost to increase our Alpha Strike and Single Target Damage by some significant double digit percentage is a bad cost-value proposition.

People are talking about this like this is a vote on what type of ship this is going to be; but it factually and literally is not, it's about torpedoes. The overall size and role of the ship is a product of a whole bunch of votes which have already happened and we cannot alter. What we are talking about is whether to make our already-expensive ship slightly more expensive, in exchange for significantly more punch.
 
[X] Standard Nacelle Supports (Aesthetic) [No Bonus/Malus]
[X] Rollbar Nacelle Supports (Aesthetic) [No Bonus/Malus]
 
[X] Standard Nacelle Supports (Aesthetic) [No Bonus/Malus]
[X] Rollbar Nacelle Supports (Aesthetic) [No Bonus/Malus]
 
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It seems impossible to me to justify why, on our 100+ Cost ship, the option to pay 10 Cost to increase our Alpha Strike and Single Target Damage by some significant double digit percentage is a bad cost-value proposition.

People are talking about this like this is a vote on what type of ship this is going to be; but it factually and literally is not, it's about torpedoes. The overall size and role of the ship is a product of a whole bunch of votes which have already happened and we cannot alter. What we are talking about is whether to make our already-expensive ship slightly more expensive, in exchange for significantly more punch.

Sounds like you didn't read the update that states that it will, in fact, change what type of ship it is, at least so far as starfleet (the ones making the decisions regarding the success or failure of the design) are concerned.
The benefits are extra torpedo slots we don't need (doesn't even free up hull space for modules), the drawbacks are diviation from the stated design goals (cruiser) without a compensatory payoff that will make starfleet want it Anyway.
 
Like, if we had not given this thing extra impulse engines, more cruising speed to hunt down enemy ships, and basically like, the most maximal maximum options in almost every category? Then yeah, sure, we could have simply designed the Kea Mk. II, given it phasers and a couple of torps, and called it a day. A large generalist which can absorb a lot of fire.

But we haven't actually designed that ship. So if we now try and arm it like the Kea Mk. II, it won't work very well, as it has a load of expensive features which are only worthwhile if they have the firepower to justify them. Doubling the impulse engines, for example, is great on a battlecruiser, but completely unnecessary an an actively terrible idea on a Kea Mk II! The quad nacelles even moreso!

So let's please like, vote for the design we actually have? Or to put it another way, accept that the previous eight votes had consequences, and we need to actually accept those consequences. We cannot at the last minute suddenly try and turn this back into a cheap capital ship. Compromising the design's throw weight over less than 10% of the net cost in a vain attempt to turn it into the Kea Mk. II is insane, in my view.
 
[X] Rollbar Nacelle Supports (+2 Fore/Aft Torpedo Mounts)

Sure, fine, fuck it. Worst case scenario, procurement just orders more Mirandas.
 
People are talking about this like this is a vote on what type of ship this is going to be; but it factually and literally is not, it's about torpedoes.

At this point you're directly ignoring what the QM says.
The issue is that the addition of another set of torpedo mounts (and fitting extra torpedoes there) in a dedicated weapon package would likely be the final straw in turning the already expensive design into a modern-day dreadnought, and thereby permanently extinguishing any hope for it to become the main line cruiser of the late 23rd century instead of San Francisco's Miranda-class. The choice is yours.
 
[X] Standard Nacelle Supports (Aesthetic) [No Bonus/Malus]
[X] Rollbar Nacelle Supports (Aesthetic) [No Bonus/Malus]
Paying for extra potential torpedo launchers by making this ship turn into a class Starfleet is not asking for, seems like a bad idea. It doesn't even gives us extra modules or literally anything like that, just more slots.
I won't lie, I want to make a chonker. Something along the lines of the Sagamartha. A true dreadnought of the modern battlefield. But that isn't what Starfleet wants or is asking for.
 
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