Let's not forget that only bathed in the cauldron of blood once, only tortured training slaves to death and only sworn acolytes vows to the most shithead version of Khaine still means they've done all of those things, they've still committed themselves to being exceptionally murderous even by Druchii standards. Capacity to change is part of adolescence but so is capacity for fanaticism, impulsivity, recklessness and selfishness. Cowed by their recent losses or not they still despise and hate pretty much everyone here. Nobody already in the party can or should trust them. Frankly, bringing them in means all those ex-slaves shouldn't trust Natasha either.

Kerillian, By dint of her toughness and the sword, should be able to keep herself alive among them and even in charge. It is unfair to expect her to protect everyone else from them too. It is even more unreasonable to expect everyone else (most of whom don't know her except as that Asrai the Sword of Dread really likes) to expect her to do so.

Then we get to the total shitstorm that will follow attempts to murder them. Which will happen because nobody wants them at their back and the will to respond to Druchii inflicted trauma with violence is the defining characteristic of the group who are not otherwise a unified bloc.

As for redemption: maybe some of them, after years of deprogramming, will improve enough to be Asrai style Khaine cultists i.e. still pretty fucking horrible and dangerous to humans. That's a tiny upside to the attempt and it in no way contributes to Nat rescuing Freddy. Good luck to Keri if she can save some of them later but Nat has responsibilities for other lives and none for them.
Well put. People are offering redemption for those who aren't seeking it of their own accord too easily. We have too much to deal with to add this to the pile.
 
[X] Turning A Bloody Leaf

I'm choosing these to get them to turn as they're fighting and seen with us. Then they have no other choice but to stick with Kerilian and such cause they're already caught assisting the enemy.

By then, they only can either leave, or betray us. Which is why having them stick to us is gonna be a lot better since they're gonna be often outnumbered and there isn't any other higher superior they can turn too. Afterwards, they can prob tag along Kerillian and to the Asrai where they'll at least be accepted. Redemption isn't easy, and they have to want it but that'll come in the long run.

The short run however, is them tagging us along as one larger group as one mailed fist. We can't afford to split up now, even with Kerillian having the First Draich.
 
[X] A Bloody Hand: There remains resistance to the Cult of Pleasure on the Ark, but one of their greatest opponents was practically dead before the fight even properly began. The Cult of Khaine was nearly destroyed at Salkalten, and was again brought even closer to the brink in the aftermath, leading to now, with bare handfuls of incredibly young acolytes all that remains. But many Druchii outside of the Brides of Khaine worship Him, for he is the utmost God championed by the Witch-King himself. A rallying force, wielded by the deadly Kerillian, could be just the thing to start truly tipping matters against the currently mostly dominating Cult of Pleasure. But it would require Kerillian to leave and be amongst the Druchii, alone, for there is no chance that a bunch of freed slaves would be able to make common cause with them, let alone with the Handmaiden Sadrina in tow.
[] One Red Nail
[] Turning A Bloody Leaf

Blood-Fed Roots: Young or old, We're getting Gwen some company!


One: Maximal murder of elf on elf. She will do fine enough not got herself killed, even If personnaly prefered her to stick to her guns(crossbows).
If things go belly up for her she can be trusted to not get herself killed or captured.
Just want Alyssa to hear the bad news.

Two: I do love the idea of Gwen bulling older girls into behaving. Sadly Nat would not make such a decision. but if fate were to build up in preferable ways...

Three: 1 down about a dozen more to go. with every dead sorceress that's 'devoted' the more labour and fence oriented spell calsters of the ark have an open hand to not have their sould damned to eternal torment.
Otherwise, good progress being made, since that was one of the two Alyssa had drag off Freddy hopefully its one of the more senior ones she trusts.
Well, she did lead an Task force in charge of either retriving the Blade of Khaine Campion or crushing religious resistance. at the very least she's important.
 
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(The Murderous Wrath of Khaine: 100+Kerillian Piety(15)+Temple Desecrated(15)+Essentially Brideless(10)+A Different Flavor of Worship(10)+Hunger For Revenge(10)-Not Of The Chosen(20)-Not Singularly Devoted(20)= 120/100)


Lmao

Kerillian to Khaine:
Damn, Kerillian swinging Khaine around with the Maidenless Meme

[X] Turning A Bloody Leaf

At this juncture of the relatively smol moving tide of vengeance? Not yet the time I reckon in splitting the party.
When we've caused enough chaos and brought near the point of confronting Alyssa maybe.

But here? We need a good solid core of bodies to get us through the next set of battles. Besides,

If they foreswear the Cult they know, in the favor of the worship held beneath eternal trees and dark shadows of a forest born before humanity may well have ever existed. If. If they don't, they'll have to leave.

At least our Druichi younglings problem would be solved here and now. Unless oaths taken by a Waywatcher and a Handmaiden of the Everqueen can't be enforced by whatever elf divine magic?
 
not the idea of weaponizing and using them


Kerillian now wields the First Draich, one of the holiest murder weapons in the whole of the Cult of Khaine, and it appears to not be rejecting her. It would disgruntle the Asur, assuredly, and no doubt the Bretonnians as well, but if Kerillian can somehow 'convert' these few incredibly fresh-faced acolytes to your cause, you can't deny that it would allow you access to a few more no doubt skilled fighters despite their youth. If they foreswear the Cult they know, in the favor of the worship held beneath eternal trees and dark shadows of a forest born before humanity may well have ever existed. If. If they don't, they'll have to leave. If they do, the Asur and Whitewings will likely not be incredibly pleased...but so long as Sadrina's heart bleeds compassion and Roland can impress on matters of honor and chivalry and the worth of one's word, it is a problem that can be solved.

I'm reacting to the text from the vote choice, not the thread. We get them as fighters, we can manage the fallout. This choice does use them.

The options are:

Bloody Hand
- Let Kerillian and the acolytes leave the group and try to rally the druchii
-- let a recently imprisoned asrai and a bunch of tweenage acolytes try to rally the druchii
I dont like kerillian leaving the party, this option seems extremely risky

One red nail
- Let Kerillian keep the sword but let the acolytes go die on their own without using them
No one is talking about this option

Bloody Leaf
- Let Kerillian keep the sword, keep the acolytes, stay with the party, and try to introduce the kids to another way to worship Khaine.
I think she will be succesful. They're children with no leader figure, everything they knew has been torn to shreds, the Asrai way as taught by one inarguably accepted by Khaine will probably be a via media they're primed for at the moment.

I favor everyones odds better with Kerillian in the group than fumbling about blindly trying her hand at intrigue
 
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I'm reacting to the text from the vote choice, not the thread. We get them as fighters, we can manage the fallout. This choice does use them.

The options are:

Bloody Hand
- Let Kerillian and the acolytes leave the group and try to rally the druchii
-- let a recently imprisoned asrai and a bunch of tweenage acolytes try to rally the druchii
I dont like kerillian leaving the party, this option seems extremely risky

One red nail
- Let Kerillian keep the sword but let the acolytes go die on their own without using them
No one is talking about this option

Bloody Leaf
- Let Kerillian keep the sword, keep the acolytes, stay with the party, and try to introduce the kids to another way to worship Khaine.
I think she will be succesful. They're children with no leader figure, everything they knew has been torn to shreds, the Asrai way as taught by one inarguably accepted by Khaine will probably be a via media they're primed for at the moment.

I favor everyones odds better with Kerillian in the group than fumbling about blindly trying her hand at intrigue

The rally the druchii part is key to the Bloody hand's benefit.

If we just recruit this handful of acolyte, that's all we're likely to get. Druchii aren't going to rally around our group in meaningful numbers, the Handmaiden will make them balk if nothing else, but they might around a group led by someone chosen by the First Draich, who has won over Khaine cultists.

If we have those acolyte with us, we can manage that much...but kiss goodbye to the chances of Natasha recruiting slaves we run into. They won't join with those druchii present.

Separately, Kerillian and Natasha's groups could rally druchii and slaves respectively in their own fights against Alyssa and the demons, even if not working side by side.

If Kerillian and her acolyte stay here...it's just that. Little hope of integrating more from either druchii or slaves. So pockets of resistance against Alyssa at best. Makes it easier for her forces to snuff them out and regain control.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by spudman on Dec 12, 2024 at 12:55 PM, finished with 105 posts and 43 votes.

  • [X] Turning A Bloody Leaf: The Asrai do not disdain Khaine as the Asur do. Rather than elevating the Cadai or Cytharai, they worship both, in a sort of strange wheel of all things as best as you remember. Which means that, while they do not have the Cult of Khaine with its Cauldrons of Blood and endless sacrifices, they do still in fact have their ways of worshipping him. Ways that are quite different. Kerillian now wields the First Draich, one of the holiest murder weapons in the whole of the Cult of Khaine, and it appears to not be rejecting her. It would disgruntle the Asur, assuredly, and no doubt the Bretonnians as well, but if Kerillian can somehow 'convert' these few incredibly fresh-faced acolytes to your cause, you can't deny that it would allow you access to a few more no doubt skilled fighters despite their youth. If they foreswear the Cult they know, in the favor of the worship held beneath eternal trees and dark shadows of a forest born before humanity may well have ever existed. If. If they don't, they'll have to leave. If they do, the Asur and Whitewings will likely not be incredibly pleased...but so long as Sadrina's heart bleeds compassion and Roland can impress on matters of honor and chivalry and the worth of one's word, it is a problem that can be solved.
    [X] A Bloody Hand: There remains resistance to the Cult of Pleasure on the Ark, but one of their greatest opponents was practically dead before the fight even properly began. The Cult of Khaine was nearly destroyed at Salkalten, and was again brought even closer to the brink in the aftermath, leading to now, with bare handfuls of incredibly young acolytes all that remains. But many Druchii outside of the Brides of Khaine worship Him, for he is the utmost God championed by the Witch-King himself. A rallying force, wielded by the deadly Kerillian, could be just the thing to start truly tipping matters against the currently mostly dominating Cult of Pleasure. But it would require Kerillian to leave and be amongst the Druchii, alone, for there is no chance that a bunch of freed slaves would be able to make common cause with them, let alone with the Handmaiden Sadrina in tow.

Poor blood nail completly alone, anyway.
We need 8 more votes
 
If we just recruit this handful of acolyte, that's all we're likely to get. Druchii aren't going to rally around our group in meaningful numbers, but they might around someone chosen by the First Draich, who has won over Khaine cultists.

Mechanically, I'm happy to add +X (Acolytes of Khaine) to Natasha's party. Very happy. I consider that a certainty and it's good to further bolster our numbers. And you're right, they might. But they might not, and it costs Kerillian as a party member to try it. I'd rather not gamble on it.

If we have those acolyte with us, we can manage that much...but kiss goodbye to the chances of Natasha recruiting slaves we run into. They won't join with those druchii present.

This is not true, on several levels. A druchii looks like any other elf, however these acolytes are clearly khainists, but they're also clearly very young. They are not an authority, in fact they may even provide some conceptual protection to have a couple druchii with us.

It might be a point of conversation ore ven contention, but I'm not sure you're registering how incredibly effective Sadrina is at recruiting Asur, Roland and Jacqueline are at recruiting Bretonnians. A handful of druchii children do not outweigh their impact, nor the impact of Oksana and the pegasus and the mighty priestess of the widow leading them all.

By the way, we already had the vote for focusing or not focusing on recruiting more fighters! I voted for it but the thread voted against. We are on the warpath, and the loose additions we might pick up along the way are not the priority. We do not preclude them from joining if we encounter them, but it isn't going to be Natasha's focus anyway.
 
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This is not true, on several levels. A druchii looks like any other elf, however these acolytes are clearly khainists, but they're also clearly very young. They are not an authority, in fact they may even provide some conceptual protection to have a couple druchii with us.

It might be a point of conversation ore ven contention, but I'm not sure you're registering how incredibly effective Sadrina is at recruiting Asur, Roland and Jacqueline are at recruiting Bretonnians. A handful of druchii children do not outweigh their impact, nor the impact of Oksana and the pegasus and the mighty priestess of the widow leading them all.
Slaves are not going to care about their AGE. The fact you say they're clearly Khainite will only work against them.
 
Mechanically, I'm happy to add +X (Acolytes of Khaine) to Natasha's party. Very happy. I consider that a certainty and it's good to further bolster our numbers. And you're right, they might. But they might not, and it costs Kerillian as a party member to try it. I'd rather not gamble on it.



This is not true, on several levels. A druchii looks like any other elf, however these acolytes are clearly khainists, but they're also clearly very young. They are not an authority, in fact they may even provide some conceptual protection to have a couple druchii with us.

It might be a point of conversation ore ven contention, but I'm not sure you're registering how incredibly effective Sadrina is at recruiting Asur, Roland and Jacqueline are at recruiting Bretonnians. A handful of druchii children do not outweigh their impact, nor the impact of Oksana and the pegasus and the mighty priestess of the widow leading them all.

By the way, we already had the vote for focusing or not focusing on recruiting more fighters! I voted for it but the thread voted against. We are on the warpath, and the loose additions we might pick up along the way are not the priority. We do not preclude them from joining if we encounter them, but it isn't going to be Natasha's focus anyway.

Circumstances change. I think from this update it's clear that there's still resistance on the Ark, but it's scattered. If it remains scattered the more likely it is that Alyssa's forces will take control and win.

But right here we have a way to rally scattered druchii around a common champion for them, the one wielding the First Draich. It's a way to rally those forces and use them towards our cause, albeit indirectly. Without Kerillian rallying them, Alyssa wipes them out most likely.

Not that I care if they get wiped out beyond their capacity to keep Alyssa from gaining control and forcing her to come out.

That appeal to the druchii is compromised by Sadrina's presence, just as the appeal of Natasha's group to freed slaves would be diminished by the druchii presence.

As is our group has done some damage but we will need to rest soon and can't do much more than these sort of attacks. We need sustainable fronts and something bigger. Kerillian recruiting druchii is one means toward that. Recruiting slaves is another. But that won't work with the druchii here, having druchii, Asur, and other freed slaves together compromises recruiting more from all such groups.
 
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