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VicSage said:
Oof, not being able to refit the ship we just rolled out? On the other hand, doing it now means that we don't have to do it later. The only issue is we don't know what we're going to need to put out. If it was a cargo carrier, or a simple survey ship, or something similar and specialized I'd say go all in. But if we need a warship, that's like putting out a brand new run of oil carriers right before you spin up the first nuclear reactor.
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In a period of rapid technological development it isn't unusual for a ship to become obsolete even before it hits the water (be it from developments in country or abroad). That was the case for ships in the ironclad and later pre-dreadnought age; this does not mean that they cannot (and did not) give decades of valuable service in the frontlines and second lines, nor in other roles when they were pushed out of them, but they were ultimately worse off compared to what came after them.

Not pushing the envelope when we have the chance to means that whilst we'd have a homogenous fleet we'd be left worse off when other nations push it for themselves.
 
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[ ] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

2230s is when we're going to be designing our Constitution equivalent. Bite the bullet now to prepare the way for our next-generation workhorse heavy cruiser/explorer.
 
[X] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

Here's to securing the future!

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Godwinson said:
2230s is when we're going to be designing our Constitution equivalent. Bite the bullet now to prepare the way for our next-generation workhorse heavy cruiser/explorer.
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We have the basic layout, but yeah, I get the feeling we're going to be making a lot of tech choices until that point (including on the interim ship design) so we might as well knock it out of the park when we get to it.
 
[x] High-Flow Injector System

The next ship class in 2220 will be on the older engines, this will let us refit them and the Kea when the time comes. The Kea when it gets the torpedoes literately just a cheaper Sagarmatha.
 
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[X] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)
 
I am, very very very tentatively, going to vote for this;

[X] High-Flow Injector System

Call it a case of buyer's regret if you want, but while the warp speed advance is cool it's not strictly an absolute necessity, since we have other options that can raise max warp speed. And I do kind of want something we can use for our current most important ships, at least.

One of the reasons I don't like sequential voting in cases like this, as I would prefer to have less size reduction in favor of better warp speed.
 
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[X] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

Bite the bullet, and don't hold our next gen of ships back. Our older ships will still be useful for a long time regardless of what wins here, but this is too big an improvement to leave on the table.
 
CanYouMeme said:
And I do kind of want something we can use for our most important ships, at least.
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Most important for now. We know we're due for building a new explorer soon, and I'd rather not have it using its grandmothers heart.

Wootius said:
At least two classes of ship for almost a century of use. Uplifting the floor isn't to be overlooked.
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We know that no matter what we chose here, it will still be able to reach the heights that were described of it. But you do have a point.
 
[X] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

Since we have time for one more ship class in the 30 and if we go for a line cruiser we will be ok in the coming war.

its better to go for a full generation leap to guarantee the longevity of the classes going forward. The warp abilities of current designs are good enough for now and we have room to phase them out with new designs.

Im not sacrificing the future for the present.
 
[x] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

No compromises, make this thing the best it can be for the benefit of future designs.
 
[X] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

Keep in mind that picking this option gives us 2 benefits, +Max Warp and also Size Reduction. Which means the new Warp 8 core can fit into more ships and leave more volume to fill with other stuff
 
Tank man said:
We know that no matter what we chose here, it will still be able to reach the heights that were described of it. But you do have a point.
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If we follow the plan for doing the cheaper option first, like our next generalist cruiser to testbed anything else new, then letting it be refited to keep up with the warp 8 explorer will pay a lot of dividends with overall fleet composition in ~2260 with the Klingon conflict.
 
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[X] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

Yoyodyne is not allowed to fuck this up.
 
[X] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

Tough choice, but I've been convinced by the arguments for this one.
 
We know that historically the Constitution-class served for 60-70 years, let's try and push it to 80-90 or even 100 with the tech advances now. Assuming we don't accidentally the Transwarp Project/Great Experiment and invalidate our whole warp system.
 
Definitely want to test the new hull material for our middle-generation design, it should be up to Experimental now, right?
 
Sayle said:
You'll have one more design before you hit 2030 and can use the new core.
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Can we design that ship for compatibility with the new core so a refit would be possible? IE give it the EPS system it would need to handle the Warp 8 engine, and accept that until refit it won't need the full capabilities of those stronger EPS conduits?
 
[X] High-Performance Injector System (Size Reduction) (Type-4 Nacelle: +Max Warp) (Refit -> Incompatible)

We build the next ship refit-ready. We ALSO optimize it for speed - four nacelles, the works. Make it fast enough to keep up with the new Klingon designs, and compromise on sci/engineering to give it enough teeth to make said Klingons hold back for just a little bit longer.

Then the new reactor is ready. We build a new explorer, it's a beauty. And we refit our speeder, give it a new warp core, and it becomes the fastest ship in space.
 
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