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- Somewhere in the Ashes
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- She/Her
Yes, well, Section 31 does exist.
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Chargone
Invisable operator
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- New Zealand
Most things get more aggressive under those conditions, but I was referring more to the idea that they can hit hard enough with their wings to break a human's arm and such.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
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- Canada
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- He/Him
Wait, do you mean like ship type abbreviations, like CL, CA, CV, that sort of thing?
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And in this era, and going into the TOS era, is an autonomous part of the government with a black budget and off-the-books fleet rather than being Some Guy's delusion.
Discovery nonsense, like so much of that show that makes no sense. It's like bad fanfiction. They have jet black badges.
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Odious given circumstances are still given circumstances, alas.
Discovery is like if part of the writing team resented being made to write for a positive setting and are trying to sabotage things.
and the like yes if on the tactical and planning side of things. NCC still can be used though
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Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
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- Canada
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- He/Him
This is why Lower Decks is the best.
Will Boimler: "Why does a secret organization within Starfleet have their own special insignia?"
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- Lake Wobegon
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- He/Him/His
"Post-millenial pop culture trends."
LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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Genuinely would have preferred either of these dropped concepts to discovery:
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Star Trek: Federation was an undeveloped Star Trek spin-off to be produced by Bryan Singer. Set in the year 3000, the show was to chronicle a period of decline and rebirth for the United Federation of Planets, spearheaded by a crew on a new USS Enterprise. "Utopia as a goal is like the fire in a...
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Star Trek: Final Frontier
In late 2006, plans for a new untitled Star Trek animated web series (later entitled Star Trek: Final Frontier) were announced. This series would be set in the year 2528 and would center around the latest crew of the starship Enterprise in a darker future. In this series, the Federation would...
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They both start in a broken Starfleet because that's what writers want for some reason, but they both at least somewhat seem to remain more faithful to star trek than discovery; at least Final Frontiers uses the Omega Molecules for their warp-less travel zones rather than a sad child.
Also this ship design concept is pretty cool not going to lie.
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LunaMoth
Wings of Kynareth is my comfort song...
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If its there, its hidden due to the angle of the drawing.
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- Outside the Box
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- She/Her
It shouldn't.
The idea is that the UFP relies upon a secret, uncountable group of Hard Men Making Hard Decisions (While Hard). Which is both Doyalistically against the themes of the series and Watsonianly super duper stupid. Something like Section 31 works as a one-off villainous organization (that think they're the heroes, but aren't). But as some massive organization that's supposedly been operating behind the scenes all the time? That would undermine the entire point of Starfleet in-universe and the themes of the series out-of-universe.
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- Somewhere in the Ashes
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- She/Her
Agreed. I liked them better when they were one of the Federation's "assorted flag officers gone bad" bits.
Think the CIA when they are doing Kissnger's bidding but even less competent.
Ive said before that given Starfleet's preferred generalist fleet doctrine, outside of specialized use cases with specific CONOPS, going with less than a full saucer is a false economy.
And the last couple of updates have done nothing to change my mind.
Project Khufu looks like a handy little ship though.
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[X] 0: United Starship (USS)
[X] 1: Cygnet
I dont really like change for the sake of change.
USS worked just fine for the canon Starfleet in the original time line, and I can see no real purpose in changing the designation here just because.
And as for ship names, Cygnet works just fine.
NCC-42043 USS Centaur, NCC-956 USS Eagle, NCC-65420 USS Phoenix and NCC-85343 USS Elmer Fudd are all canonical Starfleet ship names according to Memory Alpha. Starfleet may not be as whimsical as the Culture, but I really dont see a requirement for gravitas in ship naming schemes.
And the last couple of updates have done nothing to change my mind.
Project Khufu looks like a handy little ship though.
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[X] 0: United Starship (USS)
[X] 1: Cygnet
I dont really like change for the sake of change.
USS worked just fine for the canon Starfleet in the original time line, and I can see no real purpose in changing the designation here just because.
And as for ship names, Cygnet works just fine.
NCC-42043 USS Centaur, NCC-956 USS Eagle, NCC-65420 USS Phoenix and NCC-85343 USS Elmer Fudd are all canonical Starfleet ship names according to Memory Alpha. Starfleet may not be as whimsical as the Culture, but I really dont see a requirement for gravitas in ship naming schemes.
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- She/Her
With room for only two impulse engines, the ship would've had Medium Low or (more likely) Low Maneuverability, depending on how much mass we added past the primary hull. And a ship this small can only hold so many weapons. It would've been a significantly worse combatant than the design we've put together. Since one of the design goals was to "be called up as a combat vessel in times of war", I think we made the right decision.
Also, she's cute.
To be fair, in TOS, some Early Installment Weirdness had different insignia for different departments. The badges being black is kinda dumb as cover unless there's like Starfleet Special Operations, though.
The point of S31 is also to pose questions about how the UFP would react when they could "not afford their morals."
I'm not a huge fan, though, of them appearing in Disco. (I should, though, note DS9 is my favorite series because of how it questions Trek while being more or less optimistic about it.)
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- United States
I voted for USS because I remember at least once in TOS when Kirk introduced himself as the captain of the "United Space Ship Enterprise." I don't remember which episode, though. Unfortunately. Anyway, this was way before the later world building of TNG.
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- Somewhere in the Ashes
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- She/Her
A few years back someone posted a rant in a story that I vaguely recall as being in-character as Janeway or something about this topic. Summed up into a pithy one-liner, it went "If you only keep to your morals when you can afford it, you don't have morals."
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Yep. That's the point of the storyline, really.
WilyMachineKing1
Executive Manager of Limbus Company
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- Reno Nevada
[X] 0: Federation Starship (FSS)
[X] 1: Khufu
[X] 1: Khufu