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Sayle said:
I'd assume that the slots are available, but upgunning all those ships during wartime would take a while and a lot of industrial effort so...I mean, not ideal for when you're in a war where you need to upgun those ships, because that's when you want the firepower immediately.
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Albeit usually the signs of war do appear a good while before it starts which gives time for that refit to happen
 
[X] 75-Meter Hull, 4 Decks (+Shuttlebay, +Auxiliary Slot)

Great for making our utility cruiser a better workhorse.
 
KlavoHunter said:
2155 - Hoshi Sato has Captain Archer assassinated, seizing command of the USS Defiant and declaring herself Empress of the Terran Empire.

The following years are filled with consolidation of the Empire around Earth, Vulcan, Andor and the nearest colonies, using the rechristianed ISS Defiant as the Empress' flying palace and biggest stick. The Rebellion had nearly defeated the Empire before Defiant's coming, and few Imperial Starfleet vessels remained to secure their territory and freight lanes. Doling out tidbits from Defiant's library computer to engineers and scientists who would be nothing without her patronage, Empress Sato spearheads the recovery of Terran industry, and growth of her own network of loyalists.

2163 - The prototype ISS Mengele launches, bristling with modern phasers and photonic torpedoes, sensors, transporters, and a biomedical laboratory. The designers had been handed an already-complete blueprint, and simply had to remove some superfluous Science Labs and crew quarters for additional weapons and a suite of Agony Booths. The Empress herself was involved in the design of Starfleet's cutting-edge starship every step of the way, choosing to force her subordinates to use guile and cleverness to expand the Empire, rather than commissioning larger, more expensive battlecruisers with bellies full of Marines (that could perhaps threaten the Defiant herself). The logs of the future alternate-universe Federation indicated there were numerous plagues, pathogens, and parasites that lay in wait for their colonists, but the savage Terrans instead sought to enhance these into the most terrible biological weapons they could unleash on their foes. Additional vessels such as ISS Musk and Von Braun quickly follow.

ISS Mengele's most notable discovery was a series of Class-L planets that were home to Andorian refugee colonies. Rather than completely wiping them off the map, a weaponized and aerosolized version of Rigelian Fever was concocted and beamed down during the Imperial vessel's orbital bombardment, leading to rescued survivors spreading the disease throughout the Free Andorian population. This killed millions and forced the Andorian Rebels to focus their remaining production and training on medical equipment and doctors, instead of cutting-edge phasers and soldiers.

The ISS Musk, however, accrued much more fame under its captain who would go on to be known as the Emperor Africanus. The Musk would be known for its suppression of the democratic commune on the Vega Colony with biological weapons, waiting until they were able to beam down with a single vaccinated landing party to accept surrender from ringleaders of the bedridden rebellion, before citing biohazard protocols and burning them to death. The future Emperor also discovered a pristine class-M planet, working to ensure its new governor's loyalty also.

Africanus succeeded Empress Sato by patiently playing the long game, staying his hand when the Empress feigned weakness earlier in her reign to draw out hotheaded challengers. Investing his influence among brilliant Terran scientists and engineers who did not need the hidden secrets of Defiant's memory core to innovate, he ensured the downfall of many rivals, maintaining a show of loyalty while waiting for a slow-acting degenerative disease he'd infected the Empress with to prematurely age her body and sap her wits, finally smoothly usurping her once he'd replaced all captains and important officials with his chosen loyalists.
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I object to naming any functional starship after Elon Musk. :evil:

As interesting as that mirror timeline is, the one thing I never understood is how a fledgling Earth ever managed to not get crushed like a bug by any of the other much larger, more advanced powers, especially when it literally opened with hostilities against the Vulcans when humanity was still in the wake of WW3.

Like their flagship prior to seizing the Defiant was a weaker Enterprise than the one we designed, and that ship couldn't take on two standard Vulcan cruisers in a fight, nor the Andorian equivalents.

Would have made more sense for a more domineering version of the Vulcans to discover humanity, breeding resentment while giving humanity the chance to build up its industry and technology (and population), eventually culminating in a rebellion that would form the core xenophobic "conquer or be conquered" mentality of the Terran Empire.
 
[X] 75-Meter Hull, 4 Decks (+Shuttlebay, +Auxiliary Slot)

As the first ship produced that could move toward TOS designs and the necks that come with, I propose we name it the Swan-Class.
 
KlavoHunter said:
I dunno, Captain Lorca's a big fan...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bgMCNXzNtE
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Yeah, and considering the fact that he's burning Tesla into the ground, his ridiculously hyped "Starship" has yet to reach space and is instead suffering from a consistent case of "exploding rockets" with a side of "heatshield panels falling off in flight", while also being years behind schedule...

Let's just say that the guy who promised to reach Mars for almost a decade holding NASA back from reaching the Moon indefinitely is not a good track record. A human-rated spacecraft that has yet to even reach space without being blown up and wouldn't be able to return through the atmosphere even if it did is an oxymoron. That line in Star Trek has aged like milk.

It's a sad thing indeed, because everything else is ready to go. It'd be like if Enterprise NX-01 was ready to go except for the impulse engines, and the corporation that's supposed to be designing and building the things can't figure out how to make them without them blowing up and has no timeline for when it will actually deliver.

Roaming_Guardian said:
Can we stop all the shitting on Musk and throwing him in with literal monsters like Mengele? Dislike him all you want, by no definition is the man some kind of horrible criminal.
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It was also put alongside Von Braun, who was by no means a monster and successfully managed to make a monumental breakthrough in rocketry and spaceflight while sabotaging Nazi Germany's war effort. So...

I'll drop it, sorry.
 
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Alectai said:
In the sense that "Whether we do a Shuttle or a full Engineering deck, we're dropping below 200 Credits and 2 Industry of flex space".

So since there's not an extreme difference either way, we might as well stick with with the full Engineering Deck anyway. Shuttles are too useful for the ship's mission specifications to pass up a chance to get a slot for them, and with a third aux slot on top, we've got a lot of flex space to make it a good Utility Cruiser. (Workshop + Cargo Bay + either Antimatter Pods for refueling other ships or a Biotransporter for passenger pickup).

And with three Impulse Thrusters pushing about 230 KT, I think that'll put us into High Maneuverability, given how the cap is Very High at double the thrust to the mass they're pushing (Which would be four thrusters in this case). We should be in good stead I think.
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>2 Industry and 200 Credits is fine for flex space in general, especially since one of the aux slots is a cargo bay, which is probably going to be really cheap.

But I do want to put the deflector dish and sensor array on this ship, since we didn't put them on the survey ship. I'm not sure if that's possible with so little Industry.
 
Elon only bought his way into SpaceX, same with Tesla. Both companies have dedicated babysitting teams to handle him. And for the employees, SpaceX workers want space stuff, and are thus willing to put up with his nonsense for funding, Tesla workers want money, so they put up with it for paychecks.

Twitter unfortunately, was bought after he fully left reality, and it was so sudden that no one there knew that they needed to make their own babysitting team.

Thus we ended up with X, and the only people there are on unbreakable contracts for boatloads of money (like Yaccarino), or desperate to keep a steady job for as long as they can. Thankfully, O'l Musky has been mostly ignoring SpaceX, and has focused on ruining Twitter and Tesla.

TL:DR,
The people of SpaceX are willing to put up with his bullshit to put stuff into space, the people of Tesla are willing to put up with his bullshit for money and stock options, and the people of X are forced to put up with his bullshit because they're desperate.
 
[X] 50-Meter Hull

Won`t win but more small ships probably fits the brief better than fewer more capable ones.

edit: Speed is scaling factor on weapon damage, and industry is harder constraint than credits. I am also in favour of 4 impulse engines and fewer guns.
 
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[X] 50-Meter Hull

We have a bloody merchant marine.

It will only get larger from here on as we secure trade lanes against piracy and commerce raiding.

We're going to get jumped by at least the Klingons and Kzinti in the next two decades.

We need hulls, all over the place, to afford security and support to the colonies in peacetime and get up-gunned in the event of a war.
 
[X] 75-Meter Hull, 4 Decks (+Shuttlebay, +Auxiliary Slot)

Starfleet specifically asked for a ship that could pull triple duty as a utility/engineering ship, cargo hauler, and patrol vessel. It needs to wear those three hats well while not going too overbudget.
 
If the three-engine configuration leaves us with too little budget, I wonder if we can do a little Yolodyning and have two impulse engines but soup them up a little to squeeze out enough maneuverability?

Granted, that might leave the ship with side-effects like "engines undergo spontaneous disassembly if you push them too hard", but like, that's probably fine.
 
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