NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

DeadmanwalkingXI · Sep 25, 2023

Imperial Fister said:
Just to let you know, choosing to sacrifice a sense so you can capture experiences will render that sense unusable to you.

So we can't use the memory? The fylgja death thing seemed to indicate we could since that gives it just by giving you experience with complete sensory deprivation, but maybe losing one sense temporarily isn't enough for that. Could we rig more extreme sensory deprivation that would work as 'merely' a memory?

Shard said:
I think that perhaps as a general policy, we might want to leave some capable combatants back at home.

We've had Trollmen try to kill us all before, after all.

True, but there's a level where we can, for brief periods, just have the kids head over and stay with Steinarr if we take all the adults. Which is what I'd assume we do if we bring everyone.

Shard · Sep 25, 2023

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
True, but there's a level where we can, for brief periods, just have the kids head over and stay with Steinarr if we take all the adults. Which is what I'd assume we do if we bring everyone.

I think we should just have more of a habit of simply having people guard our home, honestly, instead of relying on our kids staying in Steinby.

DeadmanwalkingXI · Sep 25, 2023

Shard said:
I think we should just have more of a habit of simply having people guard our home, honestly, instead of relying on our kids staying in Steinby.

Depends on the circumstances, IMO. I agree for any long trips, but for a few hours occasionally I don't think it's a big deal.

I.F. Ister · Sep 25, 2023

Solar Saiyan said:
Also, @Imperial Fister, how did the first people to dicover Odr cultivate without knowing about the gate closing thing?

Sheer dumb luck

And also some other things

Shard said:
1) Does Clearwater, Campfire, Ignition, Forgefire, Firestorm, Gale, Sword, Atgeir, all have a 'shroud' or some equivalent like Standstill, or is Standstill unique (among the Hugareidas you have) in this?

All hugareida have a 'shroud'—which is what you use to actually do your moves.

Shard said:
2) Did Puncture seem like it could be alloyed to other things while it was alloyed to Ignition?

perhaps

Shard said:
3) Can you, if you wanted to for some reason, cast Ignition or other Hugareida as a 'lower' level of 'comprehension', i.e like at Ignition level 1 instead of your level 6, letting someone with Ignition 3 cancel it out?

You cannot

Shard said:
Abjorn:
1) Does Leverage have some sort of 'shroud' or similar that you 'use'?

Yes

Shard said:
1) Do you know if a Knight's Rebuke qualifies as a Perfect Defence for purposes of Puncture?

'It doesn't last I checked'

Shard said:
2) Have you ever tried infusing Odr into your Muna or your understanding of a Hugareida?

'Probably, but I've forgotten now'

Shard said:
Is Solrun like, alone during Winter?

She is now

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
So we can't use the memory? The fylgja death thing seemed to indicate we could since that gives it just by giving you experience with complete sensory deprivation, but maybe losing one sense temporarily isn't enough for that. Could we rig more extreme sensory deprivation that would work as 'merely' a memory?

The reason the fylgja death works is that you're potentially sacrificing your life to get it, as you have to run the risk of it being your Fated Day.

Blademaster · Sep 25, 2023

so Asva stuck her hand in fire to make that cloak? good to see she follows the family legacy!

this can have some very interesting applications for cultivation too I assume. given that the experience is a bit similiar to Hugareida, I wonder if we can weave stuff from our Hugareida. a standstill cloth would be really cool

Imperial Fister said:
She is now

I wonder if we can offer her to live with us that time? so she isn't alone? she might not accept but its nice to offer. we should probably ask her where is she going in winter first

I wonder if we can put Odr into our senses?

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
True, but there's a level where we can, for brief periods, just have the kids head over and stay with Steinarr if we take all the adults. Which is what I'd assume we do if we bring everyone.

we still lose the farm though if there is an attack. I would agree with this if there was need. but its likely we can deal with the Troll without our entire band of followers. this is an overwhelming force for such an attack- you got 3 lower top and 3 upper middle cultivators against a single troll. and we have sunlight on our side thanks to our alloys

Shard · Sep 25, 2023

Imperial Fister said:
The reason the fylgja death works is that you're potentially sacrificing your life to get it, as you have to run the risk of it being your Fated Day.

You also need someone to fish you out of Ginnugagap.

Aabcehmu · Sep 25, 2023

Personally I feel like if Halla doesn't just go on her own, it should be with just Abjorn as a bit of a husband-wife adventuresome bonding time.

What's the point of having huscarls if not to have them carl our hus occasionally?

Mystic Pentagram · Sep 25, 2023

Unrelated to the current discussion, but what is the plan for next the turn?

I was thinking we could forge bracers and greaves for our armor, i wonder what runes we could put on them. Does anybody has any ideas?

We should also check out that cat-spirit if we can. It looks interesting.

Shard · Sep 25, 2023

Aabcehmu said:
Personally I feel like if Halla doesn't just go on her own, it should be with just Abjorn as a bit of a husband-wife adventuresome bonding time.

What's the point of having huscarls if not to have them carl our hus occasionally?

That's my plan! Mostly. Stigmar's coming along so he can actually fulfill his oath.

Shard said:
[X] Who, if any, would you like to bring?
-[X] Abjorn and Stigmar.
[X] What's the general way you're going to be approaching this?
-[X] Diplomatically, see what's up first.

Plus like, less characters means more potential character interaction.

DeadmanwalkingXI · Sep 25, 2023

Aabcehmu said:
Personally I feel like if Halla doesn't just go on her own, it should be with just Abjorn as a bit of a husband-wife adventuresome bonding time.

What's the point of having huscarls if not to have them carl our hus occasionally?

Shard voted for just Halla, Abjorn, and Stigmar, you could join in on that vote. I might be convinced to do the same, depending.

Aabcehmu · Sep 25, 2023

[X] Shard

Bodyguard to guard the body, huscarls to carl the hus.

Shard · Sep 25, 2023

Blademaster said:
we still lose the farm though if there is an attack. I would agree with this if there was need. but its likely we can deal with the Troll without our entire band of followers. this is an overwhelming force for such an attack- you got 3 lower top and 3 upper middle cultivators against a single troll. and we have sunlight on our side thanks to our alloys

There's my vote!

My argument for it is that if we're already diplomancing, then bring the whole household is overkill and possibly counterproductive. That, and having less people makes prebattle conversations much more functional, as well as making it less painful for IF to handle combat, if there is a combat.

And of course leaving 3 capable elites defending our home.

Blademaster said:
so Asva stuck her hand in fire to make that cloak? good to see she follows the family legacy!

this can have some very interesting applications for cultivation too I assume. given that the experience is a bit similiar to Hugareida, I wonder if we can weave stuff from our Hugareida. a standstill cloth would be really cool

She also presumably gave up a sense in order to make it work..

...I think the price is too high. The cost in QoLs.. unless we gave up instead all sense in a body part like, say, a toe, then applied that sensation.

Solar Saiyan · Sep 25, 2023

The one thing Lidrun said that stuck to me is: "Stay out of my way." What? Just...what? When were we in her way? We didnt even know she existed until a few months before. We didnt have any hostile feelings towards her, nor did we have any business that harmed her or her interests given that she is a skald whose interests are far removed from our own. We extended a friendly invitation that she was perfectly in her rights to decline if she didnt want to spend time in the company of mud-people. Its like she went off just to provoke a response from us, or she read too much young master fanfics and decided to play one to get a good story.

Horium · Sep 25, 2023

Solar Saiyan said:
The one thing Lidrun said that stuck to me is: "Stay out of my way." What? Just...what? When were we in her way? We didnt even know she existed until a few months before. We didnt have any hostile feelings towards her, nor did we have any business that harmed her or her interests given that she is a skald whose interests are far removed from our own. We extended a friendly invitation that she was perfectly in her rights to decline if she didnt want to spend time in the company of mud-people. Its like she went off just to provoke a response from us, or she read too much young master fanfics and decided to play one to get a good story.

The first thing Halla ever noticed about Lidrun was her ambition, and a great amount of it.

A bit odd for a skald to have it as their dominant trait (compared to some other career paths) but that gets a lot more understandable when we discover that she has odr.

Ambitious people are generally more likely to view people around them as obstacles or at least competitors for resources (say in a workplace - there are limited promotion spots).

And in Lidrun's view, only people with odr matter.

So, she's warning a rival not to interfere with her plans.

That she was making an enemy out of a potential ally probably didn't even cross her mind.

After all, allies are probably pretty rare in Lidrun's world, and that lofty title is probably reserved for a lover or a parent or something of that ilk.

Everybody else is a servant, master or rival.

Shard · Sep 25, 2023

I wonder if Soulscape cultivation is more 'follow these steps or die' or more 'you need to make something narratively appropriate to yourself'.

Orbmorb · Sep 25, 2023

Clearly Lidrun is mad we didn't come see her performance in Asvir

[x] Who, if any, would you like to bring?
- [x] Abjorn and Stigmar.
[x] What's the general way you're going to be approaching this?
- [x] Diplomatically, see what's up first

Blademaster · Sep 25, 2023

Shard said:
There's my vote!

My argument for it is that if we're already diplomancing, then bring the whole household is overkill and possibly counterproductive. That, and having less people makes prebattle conversations much more functional, as well as making it less painful for IF to handle combat, if there is a combat.

And of course leaving 3 capable elites defending our home

it also makes combat more interesting to read, should one break out. a troll isn't so strong an opponent that we really need the entire household to fight it. its much more interesting to read the contested battle of Halla vs a troll then the absolute crushingof a troll by 5 elite warriors. and probably lends more orthstirr too

Shard said:
She also presumably gave up a sense in order to make it work..

...I think the price is too high. The cost in QoLs.. unless we gave up instead all sense in a body part like, say, a toe, then applied that sensation.

I mean depending on the sense. sight or hearing is too much. but giving up smell like Solrun probably isn't too horrible, even if we prefer not to lose it. giving up taste is very sad but not exteremly impactful beyond meals and cooking. so could be done as well

Cobbalt · Sep 25, 2023

I didn't expect Lidrun to be an asshole, but this makes sense in retrospect. I saw some comments wondering why she'd make Halla an enemy for seemingly no reason, and wondering if she was jealous, but I don't think jealousy played a role. Her behaviour is exactly how a xianxia cultivator would behave, that sense of inherent superiority over mortals, considering mortals closer to animals than humans. Lidrun meets Halla, and develops some respect for a fellow odr cultivator who has gathered quite a few accomplishments, in the sense of, "Among this sea of deritrus, here is a worthy superior being I can see eye to eye with", but then during the party she sees Halla mingling freely with those same trash mortals and is utterly disgusted. In her mind, odr cultivators are superior and do not mingle with lesser mortals, no matter what. If one does mingle with mortals, it means that the cultivator in question is also, like mortals, inherently inferior to other cultivators. Her final line is also reminiscent of a xianxia cultivator thinking of anyone at their own level as competition, and competition must be crushed.

It's still a mighty shame, though. She could've been a great ally. There is a silver lining: at least we know what sort of a mindset odr cultivators commonly have, so we know to be careful when interacting with others.

[X] Who, if any, would you like to bring?
-[X] Abjorn, Stigmar
[X] What's the general way you're going to be approaching this?
-[X] Diplomatically, see what's up first

Blademaster · Sep 25, 2023

Cobbalt said:
It's still a mighty shame, though. She could've been a great ally. There is a silver lining: at least we know what sort of a mindset odr cultivators commonly have, so we know to be careful when interacting with others.

I mean, neither of our family had those mindsets. they were family of course, and Blackhand carriers so that makes sense. but Farbjorn doesn't seems to be like that either, not only towards us.

I guess it greatly depends on personality. Lidrun is ambitious and proud, so this behavior makes a lot of sense.

though this sort of thinking might be a lot more dangerous here then in most Xianxia. Norse cultivators with Odr are still cultivators, and Odr doesn't grant such a massive advantage that none of them could ever challenge you. I mean, Halla has it but a lot of people in the valley wreck her. even if Lidrun is somehow far stronger(and I doubt that) I am still pretty sure Steinnar could grind her to dust with barely an effort. and she just insulted him as well.

really, underestimating all non odr cultivator norse sounds like a very big mistake

Cobbalt · Sep 25, 2023

Blademaster said:
though this sort of thinking might be a lot more dangerous here then in most Xianxia. Norse cultivators with Odr are still cultivators, and Odr doesn't grant such a massive advantage that none of them could ever challenge you. I mean, Halla has it but a lot of people in the valley wreck her. even if Lidrun is somehow far stronger(and I doubt that) I am still pretty sure Steinnar could grind her to dust with barely an effort. and she just insulted him as well.

really, underestimating all non odr cultivator norse sounds like a very big mistake

I'm not entirely sure of that. Yes, it may partly just be pure arrogance and prejudice, which will get Lidrun in trouble, but it could also be that odr cultivators really are a lot more capable and Halla just doesn't know or hasn't reached a high enough cultivation level to use odr to its fullest potential. Also, she's a skald, who're known to be tricky in battle, so who knows what sort of nonsense a skald who has odr can do? I think Lidrun really is right in being unconcerned about Halla's martial prowess, for now at least. We ought to be careful before poking her, no matter how much we'd like to punch her in the face.

uri · Sep 25, 2023

Shard said:
I thought our definition of Realm 1 was Saga Establishment. After Saga Establishment you're in Realm 2.

I said it before but when we first got odr we didn't actually get to realm 1 (saga establishment) but we also weren't truly mortals (realm 0) so the same thing is probably happening here were she's passed saga establishment but didn't yet fully step into realm 2.

Shard · Sep 25, 2023

I mean, it was such a turnaround that I have to actually wonder if she was actually a skinshifter or something, but then in that case Halla would have noticed the (lack of) an Odr Spotlight effect.

Speaking of which, Halla.

1) Lidrun certainly had a 'Spotlight Effect', right?
2) With all of Asivr here, did you notice anyone with a Spotlight aside from yourself and Lidrun?

Cobbalt said:
[ ] Who, if any, would you like to bring?
-[ ] Abjorn, Stigmar
[ ] What's the general way you're going to be approaching this?
-[ ] Diplomatically, see what's up first

You need Xs in those [ ] for the vote to count!

Blademaster · Sep 25, 2023

Cobbalt said:
I'm not entirely sure of that. Yes, it may partly just be pure arrogance and prejudice, which will get Lidrun in trouble, but it could also be that odr cultivators really are a lot more capable and Halla just doesn't know or hasn't reached a high enough cultivation level to use odr to its fullest potential. Also, she's a skald, who're known to be tricky in battle, so who knows what sort of nonsense a skald who has odr can do? I think Lidrun really is right in being unconcerned about Halla's martial prowess, for now at least. We ought to be careful before poking her, no matter how much we'd like to punch her in the face.

Im really not sure. yeah she is a skald, and they are dangerous. but she is not realm 2, so she is about Halla's level(Halla will be beyond saga establishment by next turn). so its unlikely she is much stronger then her Odr wise. she might know more, but given the nature of Odr cultivation almost anyone knows some secret unknown to other cultivators. and unless what she knows is truly massively game changing far beyond the levels of any use we saw for Odr, it won't be nearly enough to make her jump to peak or anything. and peak level combatants still get bodied by Steinnar.

she might be stronger in other aspects too, but I doubt she is that powerful. of course, I might be wrong, but she gave a feeling of being ambitious but not having achieved that much. not to mention, she treated Halla as peer and competition, hinting she isn't that powerful. we still shouldn't just poke her, for sure, but I will be very surprised if she can just destroy Halla without a very tough fight. not to mention Steinnar or even Sten

TheCount · Sep 25, 2023

Imperial Fister said:
Furthermore, after some discussion on the discord (link to which is in my sig), I've decided to float the idea of swapping from training dice to just flat xp. The reason for this is that while Deadman does a fantastic job, it simply isn't healthy for a quest to rely on one person who understands the mechanics to make plans. This should, hopefully, cut down on the complexity of plans, allowing for others to take a crack at it.

Could an informational post be made to explain how this works?

Edit: Also, fuck Lidrun and every other arrogant little shit. If most of the Odr cultivators are like that, no wonder the majority of steelfathers are assholes.
Explains a bit more of why Blackhand hates them in general.

alexthealright · Sep 25, 2023

Cobbalt said:
I'm not entirely sure of that. Yes, it may partly just be pure arrogance and prejudice, which will get Lidrun in trouble, but it could also be that odr cultivators really are a lot more capable and Halla just doesn't know or hasn't reached a high enough cultivation level to use odr to its fullest potential.

She's realm 1. I don't think she's got some revolutionary enhancement that we haven't figured out.

Obviously Odr is really powerful but so far it isn't anything more than a cherry on top of the Norse system

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