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It just occurred to me that if Mathilde doesn't want to assassinate the Tzar, and also doesn't want Boris to lead a civil war against the Tzar, then the compromise alternative would be...

... to assassinate Boris instead.

Basically, someone's got to die, one way or another.
 
It just occurred to me that if Mathilde doesn't want to assassinate the Tzar, and also doesn't want Boris to lead a civil war against the Tzar, then the compromise alternative would be...

... to assassinate Boris instead.

Basically, someone's got to die, one way or another.
It would be quite a thing if assassinating his son inspired Vlad to get his shit together and pull in the magical orders in order to find who killed him and be ready to take revenge against whatever group did it.
 
It has historical precedent. In a situation like Warhammer Fantasy, where you both have restrictive travel and communication times, as well as brewing international crises that require an immediate response on the scale of Chaos, Orcs, Necromancy, etc, it seems very reasonable for Lord Magisters (as well as other high noblity, high priests, etc) to be effectively given plenipotentiary powers when it comes to decisions that are within their area of expertise, rather than those powers being restricted only to distant governors and diplomats.

Classic doyalist/watsonian flip in your reply, but I do agree with you.
 
[X] Yes

The worst part of this is that I can absolutely see us doing this again and closer to home if it comes to it.

We have plenty of figures in the Empire who are just as unable to measure up to Chaos rising as Vlad is, some we even have a lot of issues with. Are you telling me that the Grand Theologist is not someone most of the thread would consider more unworthy of his position then the Tsar? That we would not replace him with someone more willing to use military force to help the dwarves or prepare for chaos instead of politicking if given the chance? Hell, as much as we like him do you think the current Emperor is the best choice to lead to Empire against an Everchosen?

I can so easily see us doing this again and I think I can live with it.

... Anyway this is going to make an awkward next meeting with Algard! Either we tell him we killed a head of state unnecessarily when we should be quiet, or we do even worse and have to not tell anyone about something cool we did! Truly being a Grey Wizard is full of harsh and terrible duty.
 
I'm imagining Eike rolling a natural one on her study action, and somehow catch Mathilde red-handed after killing the king. Do you think she would ever tell anyone? Like, divided loyalties jr. edition.
 
[X] Yes

I'm tempted to vote for developing and spreading the ice witch tributaries.
I'm also gonna vote for our payment to be copying some if not all of Kislev's libraries.
 
It has historical precedent. In a situation like Warhammer Fantasy, where you both have restrictive travel and communication times, as well as brewing international crises that require an immediate response on the scale of Chaos, Orcs, Necromancy, etc, it seems very reasonable for Lord Magisters (as well as other high noblity, high priests, etc) to be effectively given plenipotentiary powers when it comes to decisions that are within their area of expertise, rather than those powers being restricted only to distant governors and diplomats.
It's not just that, it's also that telling anyone at all would go completely against operational security. The less people know about something sensitive, the less chance of someone leaking it, or abusing it. This is how the Grey Order operates, which Boney has been consistent on for a long time.

Consider the Liber Mortis: The more people know about it, the more people might be tempted to find copies of it and abuse its knowledge. If you possess a copy of it (and you won't destroy it because you want a contingency plan in case another vampire tries to become a Von Carstein Emperor), then it doesn't really benefit you to share that you have it, even with another person you trust, because then you have two people who could spill the beans on it or go mad with its power. This way, it's a single potential point of failure rather than multiple.

Similarly, if we go to Algard or Dragomas or Luitpold about this, even if they were to say 'yes go do that', they would lose the capacity to truthfully say, even under magical interrogation, "I swear I didn't know this Lady Magister killed/attempted to kill a foreign head of state."

Hence, the decision is up to us. We have the capacity to do this solo, and it is our Order's job to do things others would never consider if it is necessary and to be taken to the grave.

I'm imagining Eike rolling a natural one on her study action, and somehow catch Mathilde red-handed after killing the king. Do you think she would ever tell anyone? Like, divided loyalties jr. edition.
Eike, thinking to herself: I heard the previous Tzar died, which allowed Master to start spreading tributaries across Kislev more easily alongside the new Tzar, Boris Bohka. And now that I think of it, Master came back that month in a morose and withdrawn state, I could feel it through my Magesight. Why would she be in that emotional state despite such a great success? And why were her robes be somewhat out of place the day after she came back? There's only one logical answer...

Eike, out loud: "Master, are you having an affair with the Tzar?"

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...Actually, does Eike know about the Waystone Project proper? Cause I went back through the first turn we had with her and it sounds like she might have the impression we're only here to build bridges via trade and diplomacy. We haven't included her in any Waystone actions yet, either. It'd be really funny if she only found out when she set out to become a Journeywoman, or when Teclis came back.
 
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You know thinking about how this roll out action got so political and looks to be bloody just makes me want to roll out tributeries in some place that won't ask us to assasinate somebody.

So how about we roll out at Moot next turn? They border Sylvania as much as Stirland so they are a valid place to prioritize. It would pen Sylvaina and its Dhar in. Plus you know, Halfling would probably appriciate that we are improving the soil.
The Borderlands could be fun. We can rampage out troublemakers and leave a power vacuum for Minor Imperial Nobles, Knights Errant, and Dawi Prospectors. Pretty sure there was something in the network there that needed patching up, too.
 
I'm imagining Eike rolling a natural one on her study action, and somehow catch Mathilde red-handed after killing the king. Do you think she would ever tell anyone? Like, divided loyalties jr. edition.
I mean, it's almost a family tradition at this point. Regimand offs an Empress, Mathilde offs a Tzar, Eike offs a....?

...hm. Amongst nominally friendly local heads of state, the only ones left to compare would be...a Dwarf King, Bretonnian King?
 
I have to say the idea of a Wizard, even a high ranking one, being expected to single-handedly to decide wether to assinate the head of a neighbouring non hostile, sometimes even allied, power is severely immersion breaking to me and a really insane political stance. It practically makes their wizard lords more powerful as well as trusted than the entire rest of the imperial bureaucracy, even the elector counts, which goes against pretty much the entire established lore of Warhammer.

Killing foreign heads of state is one of the most direct shaping of foreign policy there is and the central authority losing control of such an activity is what we generally would associate with severe disfunction or failed states.

The Grey Order canonically and explicitly rejects the control of any central authority.

"The only non-Collegiate authority the Grey Order is theoretically answerable to is the emperor, but in effect this is not as clear cut as it would seem ... An Emperor could be forced to abdicate, or worse, may fall to the seductions of Chaos and would then stop being an ally and become a potential enemy to the Empire. It was deemed unwise to let the full truth of the Order's abilities and activities get into the hands of a potential enemy; so the Emperor, the Electors, the religious authorities, the Merchants' Guilds, and burgomeisters of the Empire know little or nothing of the clandestine activities undertaken by the Shadowmancers right beneath their noses."

The Grey Order was formed shortly after the end of a thousand years of civil war, which was also an era where state policy was to murder all magic users. At one point in the time since, central authority dictated that the Colleges of Magic should be disbanded, which would also have resulted in all its members being executed. So it hasn't got a lot of institutional trust in central authority.

@Boney I am curious did you except the vote to be so one sided or did you think it would be closer?

I didn't expect it to be tilted quite this much.

...Actually, does Eike know about the Waystone Project proper? Cause I went back through the first turn we got her and it sounds like she might have the impression we're only here to build bridges via trade and diplomacy. We haven't included her in any Waystone actions yet, either. It'd be really funny if she only found out when she set out to become a Journeywoman, or when Teclis came back.

Yes, she knows the broad strokes of what Mathilde's up to.
 
[X] Yes

But on the caveat of the price, if there is one exacted, being something that doesn't take anything from Kislev. Greater cooperation, focus on the Waystone project ala what Boris said it could have been if it was a Kislev-centric project, etc. Support for purely Imperial-conflicts, not money, not magics knowledge.

Not because I'm a White Knight-enthusiast, but because to do otherwise would be bad for Mathilde's character.
 
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