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[x] Yes
Vlad a shit, Boris gave Kislev the kick in the ass it needed. But we'd have to be careful as possible to make it seem like an accident.
 
Honestly, I've always liked that Mathilde has never really had to take part in political assassination and fuckery. Whenever she kills someone, it's because they're aligned with some dark force or faction, and pretty justified by their crimes. She's Grey, yes, but not dark grey, you know?

That said, she's also the kind of person who kills so others don't have to. Who walks into the darkest, bloodiest halls with a sword in her hand and a spell on her lips because maybe, just maybe, every drop of blood spilled by her hand is spared for another. Because somebody has to, somebody will, and it might as well be her. And, from what I've seen, she likes Boris. He fits pretty well into her demographic of favored rulers, even if she hasn't interacted with him too much.

So yeah, I think I could accept her doing this. The Tzar is an innocent man, as far as we know. Perhaps even a good man, in some respects. But Mathilde accepted long ago that it was her duty to be the blade in the dark, and I won't begrudge her fulfilling it this once.

Also more Mathilde mythology is always fun, even if this one is less pleasant than most.
 
The apparatus of state communications is pretty secure, and both the Erengrad gate guards and the Streltsi are helping make this meeting happen. Between that and Mathilde's Magesight, due diligence can be considered done: this is Boris.
 
Honestly, I've always liked that Mathilde has never really had to take part in political assassination and fuckery. Whenever she kills someone, it's because they're aligned with some dark force or faction, and pretty justified by their crimes. She's Grey, yes, but not dark grey, you know?

That said, she's also the kind of person who kills so others don't have to. Who walks into the darkest, bloodiest halls with a sword in her hand and a spell on her lips because maybe, just maybe, every drop of blood spilled by her hand is spared for another. Because somebody has to, somebody will, and it might as well be her. And, from what I've seen, she likes Boris. He fits pretty well into her demographic of favored rulers, even if she hasn't interacted with him too much.

So yeah, I think I could accept her doing this. The Tzar is an innocent man, as far as we know. Perhaps even a good man, in some respects. But Mathilde accepted long ago that it was her duty to be the blade in the dark, and I won't begrudge her fulfilling it this once.

Also more Mathilde mythology is always fun, even if this one is less pleasant than most.
The Tsar is in no way innocent lmao. If nothing else, Kislev has legal slavery. Of course, it's not like Boris is actually going to change that, but I don't really have a problem with replacing an evil man with an evil man who is more aligned with our interests, considering how many lives it's likely to save.
 
I really want to say no, to wash our hands of this and maybe try to deploy tributaries by leaking the ritual to the Hag Witches and have them set it up independently. But to wash our hands of this would also be staining our hands with the blood of all who would die as a result of Boris's public and messy coup and its consequences. I hate both options but I think saying yes is the less bad of two horrible options. I don't remember the last time a vote has made my stomach churn but the counter for days since the a quest has made me nauseous from anxious dread has now been reset back to zero.

Is anyone else wishing we still had that stockpile of Skaven weapons right now? It would make for one heck of a false flag operation. With how disorganized and backstabbing they are, even the Skaven wouldn't be able to tell that they weren't at fault.
We could probably borrow something from the Dwarves if we need to, nothing special like a Brass Orb or a crystal blade like the Skaven Sorceror had but probably a standard warplock weapon or maybe a Jezzail, something that's been sitting in a vault either as a trophy, because they haven't gotten around to deciding exactly how to dispose of it yet, or preserved just in case it could be useful to have kept around in the future.
 
Wow that update's something. My worry is that even if we manage this with no evidence, if shortly after Mathilde makes a visit to Kislev, she vanishes for a month, the Tzar dies, Mathilde's project gets a much more approving view from the leadership, relations with the empire improve, and Mathilde ends up being a notable ally of the new Tzar, a great many people will suspect that she was behind it. It doesn't matter that there's no proof, everyone of note in Kislev would be pointing their eyes upon her with suspicion. The grey order has a reputation after all, and in the aftermath of a Tzar, the only Grey wizard lord on record as having entered Kislev in quite a while will naturally fall under suspicion, even if we frame someone else. While there likely wouldn't be direct opposition with the new Tzar's backing, it's likely there would be consequences to this. Not to mention that our fellows in the waystone project might figure it out.
 
The Tsar is in no way innocent lmao. If nothing else, Kislev has legal slavery. Of course, it's not like Boris is actually going to change that, but I don't really have a problem with replacing an evil man with an evil man who is more aligned with our interests, considering how many lives it's likely to save.
Show me where in quest they have actual slavery.
 
It's wild that for a moment of Divided Loyalties if ever there was one among us Questers we're finding ourselves surprisingly unanimous in what need to happen.
It's hard to be loyal toward a man you've never met, who rules a country that you have been on for maybe a cumulative week, and whose subjects and own son seem to agree is dangerously negligent in the face of what is probably the next Everchosen.

Excuse me for the pre counting chickens but what do yall think a good price is?
I refuse to get any sort of personal benefit from this, ethically. If it's a Kislev-as-a-whole boon then it should really be something that benefits the Empire as a whole. Better relations, or better trade, or something similar.

Pragmatically, the same applies - we don't want to draw attention to us, and anything we could ask for on a personal level could probably be negotiated for normally anyway.
 
The apparatus of state communications is pretty secure, and both the Erengrad gate guards and the Streltsi are helping make this meeting happen. Between that and Mathilde's Magesight, due diligence can be considered done: this is Boris.
That or it's The Changeling. But there's never any point in worrying about that because it's true of literally everyone we talk to, and we'd never be able to prove it either way.
 
Wow that update's something. My worry is that even if we manage this with no evidence, if shortly after Mathilde makes a visit to Kislev, she vanishes for a month, the Tzar dies, Mathilde's project gets a much more approving view from the leadership, relations with the empire improve, and Mathilde ends up being a notable ally of the new Tzar, a great many people will suspect that she was behind it.
Boris's opinion on all of this is already known, so him switching gears would not be at all surprising. And Mathilde will not disappear for a month. If we do this right we won't be missed at all.
 
Wow that update's something. My worry is that even if we manage this with no evidence, if shortly after Mathilde makes a visit to Kislev, she vanishes for a month, the Tzar dies, Mathilde's project gets a much more approving view from the leadership, relations with the empire improve, and Mathilde ends up being a notable ally of the new Tzar, a great many people will suspect that she was behind it. It doesn't matter that there's no proof, everyone of note in Kislev would be pointing their eyes upon her with suspicion. The grey order has a reputation after all, and in the aftermath of a Tzar, the only Grey wizard lord on record as having entered Kislev in quite a while will naturally fall under suspicion, even if we frame someone else. While there likely wouldn't be direct opposition with the new Tzar's backing, it's likely there would be consequences to this. Not to mention that our fellows in the waystone project might figure it out.
Mathilde flutters across the entire breadth of the old world at the drop of a hat. Nobody expects to have her undivided attention, and she wanders around at random. Nobody is going to connect an allies visit to discussion a known issue, with the tragic death of the Tzar months later. Thousands of influential people wander around Kislev weekly.
 
The Tsar is in no way innocent lmao. If nothing else, Kislev has legal slavery. Of course, it's not like Boris is actually going to change that, but I don't really have a problem with replacing an evil man with an evil man who is more aligned with our interests, considering how many lives it's likely to save.
To be honest I forgot about that. And while I certainly won't pretend that as long as he just doesn't own any slaves himself—which I'm not even sure is the case—he's not at fault or something, but I do have to wonder if he even *could* change that if he wanted to. The way Boris made it sound the current Tsar couldn't even swing a political push to reduce Chaos corruption, let alone something less existentially threatening like slavery.
 
Isn't Erengrad a prominent slave trading port? If that isn't quest canon I apologize, but the fact of the matter remains that an innocent king is an oxymoron.

I believe this is the result of a game of fandom telephone from this single line in Realm of the Ice Queen:
"Now, Erengrad is Kislev's main trading city and its largest port. Situated on the coast of the Sea of Claws, vessels from across the Old World, New World, and even Norsca come here with goods, slaves, gems, and precious metals."
All other mentions of the word 'slave' are in the context of Norscan raiders enslaving citizens of Kislev. Whether this single line means 'Erengrad has a full-blown slave market' or 'there's a black market for slaves in Erengrad's underworld' or 'ship-to-ship slave trading goes on here, out of sight of local authorities' or even 'sometimes particularly stupid Norscans come to Erengrad thinking they'd be able to sell their slaves, and then are attacked by port authorities and the slaves liberated' is entirely open to interpretation. And the fact that Tome of Corruption says that 'some dark corners in Marienburg' are famed for their 'flesh markets' means that even if you interpret it as badly as possible, it's not unique to Erengrad.
 
Wow that update's something. My worry is that even if we manage this with no evidence, if shortly after Mathilde makes a visit to Kislev, she vanishes for a month, the Tzar dies, Mathilde's project gets a much more approving view from the leadership, relations with the empire improve, and Mathilde ends up being a notable ally of the new Tzar, a great many people will suspect that she was behind it. It doesn't matter that there's no proof, everyone of note in Kislev would be pointing their eyes upon her with suspicion. The grey order has a reputation after all, and in the aftermath of a Tzar, the only Grey wizard lord on record as having entered Kislev in quite a while will naturally fall under suspicion, even if we frame someone else. While there likely wouldn't be direct opposition with the new Tzar's backing, it's likely there would be consequences to this. Not to mention that our fellows in the waystone project might figure it out.
That's why the best way to do this is in a way that no one thinks it was an assassination at all.

If Vladimir dies fighting a bear or a manticore or whatever, literally nobody in Kislev will be shocked.
 
On the one hand, we kill someone who is widely regard as a weak leader and install one of the greatest leaders Kislev will ever have, who will institute a number of reforms to modernise and militarise Kislev to act as a bulwark against the 13th Everchosen.

On the other hand, civil war.

For me, this is a terrifyingly easy choice to make.
 
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