I'd imagine that the welsh might still preserve some remnants of the old Roman system as well. At least, I seem to recall that the welsh took great pride in preserving the culture of the Roman Empire for long after the empire had receded from their lands. I don't know the actual timing involved.
The Byzantine Imperial System is a leftover of the Romans, and it sounds like people following that would definitely be considered Errants if they showed up in England suddenly and without backing. But I think the Welsh might actually have their own system entirely just as the Anglo-Saxons do, though it's hard to say for sure.
Feels like it would be going back on her word.
But treating the upcoming duel as a serious fight to the death is still on the table. (Just need to not have a "uwu, no killing, just spar" vote winning, skepticism on that remains)
Pick one:
[ ] Muna: Different After All
-The distinction between you and Blackhand grows stronger
[ ] Muna: A Dream That Could Have Been
-Future children shall have access to Gabriel's trait list
But don't we want to complete the book and have the trials all set up before we do Second Realm? I recall someone saying it would likely be less difficult than once we punch into Second Realm?
It would be, but I imagine Wotan kind of frowns on people who try to ruin his shtick. These are the things you're supposed to Know Him By, and someone else stepping on that while giving bad advice is something he's going to have a little chat with you about kind of on principle, since it limits his ability to meddle.
I thought the entire point of those stories is that you should respect greybeards and give shelter to wanderers, because it's the right thing to do and they might actually be Odin.
If you start calling yourself Odin that's different, but the ambiguity is the point.
Could you maybe just not? It's gotten annoying that you're complaining we didn't go Main Kill Burn immediately on someone whom we've considered a friend and ally for most of our adult life, for something that he hasn't done yet and we can block with little effort.
I thought the entire point of those stories is that you should respect greybeards and give shelter to wanderers, because it's the right thing to do and they might actually be Odin.
If you start calling yourself Odin that's different, but the ambiguity is the point.
And if you assume sold oldster is definitely a disguised god and follow his advice right off a cliff then the real one will be laughing his ass off at you.
I thought the entire point of those stories is that you should respect greybeards and give shelter to wanderers, because it's the right thing to do and they might actually be Odin.
If you start calling yourself Odin that's different, but the ambiguity is the point.
Sort of? It's intended that any random wanderer might be Odin so you should be respectful...following their advice is another matter entirely. I think Odin is being intentionally a bit overt with his 'disguises' here to get us to listen. He's certainly capable of better disguises than this that don't rely on his 'don't notice me' magic like these do.
Sagaseeker is already a living weapon. Shadeclaw is living and not a weapon.
Both had pretty defined personalities as soon as we made them, without any conscious effort or direction on Halla's part. We could theoretically influence Sagaseeker's personality now, but basically the same way we can for our human children: teach them skills and life lessons, spend time with them, talk to them
Guess Odin is an exception. not that its very surprising.
[X] Well... If the King is holding court, why not go ask him directly?
and if Odin came to Christian lands to give us advice, we better follow it. we don't want great grandpa to be disappointed.
honestly I am kinda getting the sense that Odin is really meddling in all this trip. so much so I am beginning to suspect he has some interest in it beyond just helping us. enough to cause the famine just to make us go.
this quest was giving me Runemarks vibe for some time. and they keep getting stronger
Could you maybe just not? It's gotten annoying that you're complaining we didn't go Main Kill Burn immediately on someone whom we've considered a friend and ally for most of our adult life, for something that he hasn't done yet and we can block with little effort.
I don't know about 'little effort'. If Gabriel grows at a 'normal' speed, sure, maybe, but if Gabriel has or finds or uses a way to powerlevel.. or even 'merely' keeps up with us. Then there's a problem.
Could you maybe just not? It's gotten annoying that you're complaining we didn't go Main Kill Burn immediately on someone whom we've considered a friend and ally for most of our adult life, for something that he hasn't done yet and we can block with little effort.
For the record:
I criticized plans being supportive towards Gabriels plan, and for not watching our words.
I advocated cutting ties and letting him fail, not "maim, kill, burn".
But with the path that was chosen, if I'm still part of the thread when the duel comes, I will support the "All out" (or "maim, kill, burn" If you want) side.
With the inaccuracies of my alleged position adressed...
Are you serious about this?
You expect him to be such a pushover that we will be able to keep him from his life goal "with little effort"?
That he won't grow to meet challenges?
Thats... optimistic.
Guess Odin is an exception. not that its very surprising.
[X] Well... If the King is holding court, why not go ask him directly?
and if Odin came to Christian lands to give us advice, we better follow it. we don't want great grandpa to be disappointed.
honestly I am kinda getting the sense that Odin is really meddling in all this trip. so much so I am beginning to suspect he has some interest in it beyond just helping us. enough to cause the famine just to make us go.
[X] Well... If the King is holding court, why not go ask him directly?
It must be Alfred the Great, one of the most distinguished Kings of England, right? Even if it's not a lengthy conversation, Halla will probably learn something from it. If I had award dice, I would probably add them to the first impression.
promising is not doing. and he might never manage given Steinnar is likely to be dead in 20 years. and even if he comes for him, I still hope to resolve this with no one dying(though not without fighting). it won't be easy, but just killing him quickly is a coward's and betrayer act. a true act of nid, when we truly can understand where he comes from.
if he comes at us later, then we deal with that. but we won't betray a friend over words, not when the grievance is just.
doesn't explain why he intervened with Hal. I would accept it if he was meddling here only. but its 2/2 steps of this journey he involved himself with.
no one seems to have noticed a new Thane entering so he probably avoided them. even if he didn't actually teleport through.
though he can probably do that too. those walls weren't built to keep away gods
promising is not doing. and he might never manage given Steinnar is likely to be dead in 20 years. and even if he comes for him, I still hope to resolve this with no one dying(though not without fighting). it won't be easy, but just killing him quickly is a coward's and betrayer act. a true act of nid, when we truly can understand where he comes from.
if he comes at us later, then we deal with that. but we won't betray a friend over words, not when the grievance is just.
This is incorrect. Gabriel has put himself on the opposite side of the battlefield against us. So there's no betrayal to be had. Killing someone out in the open is also not cowardly.
Whether we actually want to or can kill Gabriel in a duel is a different question.
For the record:
I criticized plans being supportive towards Gabriels plan, and for not watching our words.
I advocated cutting ties and letting him fail, not "maim, kill, burn".
You literally said that Blackhand was right that we should kill him. Regardless of previous positions that's hard not to argue as advocating we kill him.
Are you serious about this?
You expect him to be such a pushover that we will be able to keep him from his life goal "with little effort"?
That he won't grow to meet challenges?
Thats... optimistic.
Stopping him isn't necessarily gonna be easy, but it won't be impossible either. We can handle this. Actually...hmmm. I have had a thought. We need to talk with Steinarr about that raid and the Gabriel situation. Something feels slightly off here. We need more details of exactly what went down.
Stopping him isn't necessarily gonna be easy, but it won't be impossible either. We can handle this. Actually...hmmm. I have had a thought. We need to talk with Steinarr about that raid and the Gabriel situation. Something feels slightly off here. We need more details of exactly what went down.
Honestly even if you edit out the part where Steinarr killed Gabriel's horse and sparrow, would that really change Gabriel's motivation since Steinarr did still kill Highwater and thrall him for threeish years.
Honestly even if you edit out the part where Steinarr killed Gabriel's horse and sparrow, would that really change Gabriel's motivation since Steinarr did still kill Highwater and thrall him for threeish years.
Gabriel's stated motivation is the loss of his companions...if that were untrue then I'm not sure how he'd react to be honest. Additionally, I think he may be operating under a fundamental misunderstanding that Steinarr was in charge on that raid, which I'm pretty sure he wasn't as Steinarr lacks, y'know, a ship. I think Gabriel may have assumed that, as the most badass guy there, Steinarr was the motive force behind the raid and that's really and profoundly untrue and a big change in the situation.
I'm now regretting not exploring this more earlier, but getting info from either of them was like pulling teeth, so not as much as I might be otherwise.
Are you serious about this?
You expect him to be such a pushover that we will be able to keep him from his life goal "with little effort"?
That he won't grow to meet challenges?
Thats... optimistic.
I'm expecting us to continue to grow in strength ourselves, just as Gabriel will grow to meet challenges so too will we. The idea that he'll become strong enough to beat us in the timeframe of Steinnar's remaining life implies we'd have not grown at all during the intermittent time.
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A prayer for good fortune for halla's expedition (fearsome hill)
Happy birthday.
A prayer for good fortune for halla's expedition:
kauas lähti kaunis lapsi
suuri sisko, vankka akka
ota tuuli, väinön äiti
ilmatar, kaunein kaikista
ota omaksi sisko suuri
sisko suuri, vankka akka
viepi maille merten taakse
ristin kannon palvojille
vie viesti vaka vanha
vaka vanha väinemöinen
tietäjä iän ikuinen
siskoholle suurehelle
akalle vankimmalle
jotta löytyis suuri saalis
suuri saalis, jätti saalis
kauraa vanhan juomingeiksi
rukii nuoren ruokinnoiksi
jottei kuole akka vanha
akka vanha, väki ukko
jottei kuole nuori poika
nuori poika, nöyräs neito
väki anna tursas tuima
tursas tuima, kalma julma
väkeä siskon kaikkiin kolkkiin
kaikkiin kolkkiin, joka kulmaan
jotta liitää kirves käes
kirves käes rauta rantees
kunnol lähtee rauta rantees
voimalla vahvalla, väellä vankalla
ettei tulo kuolo kotiin
kankea karmeist kanneta
far went the fire's daughter
great sister, hardy hag
take O wind, Väinö's mother
Ilmatar, most beautifull
take her as you would your child
take her to lands beyond the sea
to cross laden lands
give thy message O oldest
O oldest, Väinämöinen
bard of ages past
take thy message far
to fire's daughter
the hardiest of hags
so she may find her great bounty
great bounty and plentifull plunder
barley for the elder's cup
rye for the younger's plate
so that hunger won't take our elders
oldest hag and eldest man
so that the young won't starve
so that neither daughter nor son know Hel's grasp
Every time i translate Kalevala metre into english my hatred for the tongue of the Angles grows fivefold.
