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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Shard said:
I don't think this would even happen at all outside the Norselands/The Written World.
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I think it would happen anywhere in the world, as the Norse bring their world laws along with them...but it wouldn't happen if he'd felt indebted to a Byzantine. The exact way debts work is part of Norse Cultivation and would only behave that way in regards to one of the Norse. Other systems also have debt-related stuff, but it likely works differently.
 
[X] Offer to tell him what you meant if he tells you why he freaked out like that.
-[X] You had questions, and things to compare, at least about the names of what they train, that's a good way to break the ice, he can tell you when he feels ready.
--[X] But while you're saying that, you're holding another conversation. In English, using Eye-Talking. "Norse cultivation is all about building a story. I meant something more meaningful than that, but one of the fundamental principles of our cultivation is also that Power Requires Sacrifice and neither you nor I can afford the price that would be demanded if I gave you details right now. I'm working on a way to tell others, and I'll work hard to make sure you're there when I do. I suspect I'll need your aid then."

Sorry this is the better explanation.
 
Okay. Gabriel's a Christian. The Enemy isn't. So we can reference directly to things it doesn't know is relevant.

Or in different words - Tell him without telling him. Communication without words.

As Blackhand said: "To tell a thing, you have to not say it."

[] Offer to tell him what you meant if he tells you why he freaked out like that.
-[] "So you know the story about the Tower of Babel?"
-[] Insert meaningful pause and let Gabriel think through the story.
-[] "Now for us Norse, a lot of our problems like Trollmen and monsters is solved with violence."
-[] Insert another meaningful pause.
-[] "And we can understand and speak to each other."
-[] Dramatic pause and hopefully Gabriel can get what we've said to him.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I think it would, as the Norse bring their world laws along with them...but it wouldn't happen if he'd felt indebted to a Byzantine. The exact way debts work is part of Norse Cultivation and would only behave that way in regards to one of the Norse. Other systems also have debt-related stuff, but it likely works differently.
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More accurately, I think it would work outside the Norselands if it happened between Norsemen, but it wouldn't happen outside the Norselands if it was between a Norseman and a non-Norseman. Unless they were on a Norse Boat of course, because as far as the Norsemen are concerned boats are 'Norselands'.
 
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I don't have a way to apply this offhand, but remember Blackhand's comment that the best way to slip things by the Enemy is to conspicuously leave things out rather than oblique references.
 
Shard said:
Okay. Gabriel's a Christian. The Enemy isn't. So we can reference directly to things it doesn't know is relevant.
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I feel like this is a big assumption? Like, the Enemy clearly knows of the existence of Christians...I see no reason to assume it is incapable of learning about them, and it has had a very long time to do so.

Shard said:
More accurately, I think it would work outside the Norselands if it happened between Norsemen, but it wouldn't happen outside the Norselands if it was between a Norseman and a non-Norseman. Unless they were on a Norse Boat of course, because as far as the Norsemen are concerned boats are 'Norselands'.
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Possible. The way we were unable to ensure a rematch with the squire we met while raiding does argue that sort of thing doesn't hit the non-Norse as well outside Norse lands, it's true.

KreenWarrior said:
I don't have a way to apply this offhand, but remember Blackhand's comment that the best way to slip things by the Enemy is to conspicuously leave things out rather than oblique references.
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Yeah, I tried to incorporate that into my plan as much as possible, with using the word 'demands' and saying his help will be needed doing a lot of the heavy lifting in implying things not said (ie: there's someone to demand things and we'll need to fight them). It's not perfect but it seems solid to me.
 
Imperial Fister said:
You didn't release Standstill, but Sparrowflight clatters against the ground as its master soon follows. Gabriel falls to his knees, his armor clanking and rattling as he does — you still not having released Standstill's hold, not that it matters, apparently.
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So Gabriel's got a counter to IAT, and most Standstill tricks. Brutal. I don't think there's any easy equivalent Norse method to counter Standstill like that, although there obviously must be some.
 
Shard said:
So Gabriel's got a counter to IAT, and most Standstill tricks. Brutal. I don't think there's any easy equivalent Norse method to counter Standstill like that, although there obviously must be some.
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To be specific, he has a way to break Standstill used on him. Which is definitely good but might or might not work to penetrate it used defensively like Halting Vortex (he does have a way through perfect defenses as well, but I think it's separate).

And I bet there is a Norse option for that...there's definitely a 'Momentum' type Hugareida or something like that in the 'motion' family with Standstill and Leverage, which could counter being trapped in IAT...additionally, all Norsemen can counter it just by stoking their Aspects, which would look a little different from that, but I'm not sure it'd be all that different conceptually.
 
Simon_Jester said:
Shouldn't that be "Imagine if there was something we weren't supposed to speak about" or something like that? I'm not getting the implication very well, and if I don't, I'm not sure Gabriel would.
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The Tower of Babel story ended with the Languages of Humans becoming confused and unintelligible. The implication, by noting the obvious contradiction here, is that there's a Norse twist, instead you get murdered.

...But I guess I better reword.
Imperial Fister said:
The weight of debt's chain snaps into place in your soul. Gabriel blinks in surprise as he too feels that weight. But while the weight you feel is the weight of the chain holder, his is the weight of the chained.
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Interestingly Halla didn't feel a similarly heavy debt to The Witch. A favor is of course lesser weight than, uhh, what's basically a life debt?
Imperial Fister said:
By stoking your frami again, you'll be burning it out for a couple months at least. However.
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This is interesting information. One does not simply Calm Charge their Aspects for fights, because if you do a Heroic Second Wind you also get Heroic RROD. You can, at most..

...Triple your base Orthsirr.

.... I bet Blackhand was ganked after doing the full Aspect Burn, so he basically had 1/3 of his available Orthsirr.
 
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[X] Offer to tell him what you meant if he tells you why he freaked out like that.
-[X] You had questions, and things to compare, at least about the names of what they train, that's a good way to break the ice, he can tell you when he feels ready.
--[X] But while you're saying that, you're holding another conversation. In English, using Eye-Talking. "Norse cultivation is all about building a story. I meant something more meaningful than that, but one of the fundamental principles of our cultivation is also that Power Requires Sacrifice and neither you nor I can afford the price that would be demanded if I gave you details right now. I'm working on a way to tell others, and I'll work hard to make sure you're there when I do. I suspect I'll need your aid then."
 
[X] Offer to tell him what you meant if he tells you why he freaked out like that.
-[X] You had questions, and things to compare, at least about the names of what they train, that's a good way to break the ice, he can tell you when he feels ready.
--[X] But while you're saying that, you're holding another conversation. In English, using Eye-Talking. "Norse cultivation is all about building a story. I meant something more meaningful than that, but one of the fundamental principles of our cultivation is also that Power Requires Sacrifice and neither you nor I can afford the price that would be demanded if I gave you details right now. I'm working on a way to tell others, and I'll work hard to make sure you're there when I do. I suspect I'll need your aid then."
 
If it turns out that something this vague, obfuscated this hard, to someone who can't directly benefit is Disclosure, then I will fucking scream.

I don't suppose anyone's got a Reward Die they're willing to spend to get a vibe check on this?
 
The Lone badger said:
He is part of Norse Society at this point and that gives norse word-law an anchor-point to grip him with.
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That is a good point, but I'm thinking like...

At what point does he stop being an English In Norse Society and just starts Being...Norse?

What age did he come to Norse a Thrall? 14? 15? Came during Year Two. He's been here 6 years. He's spent long, formative years here. If he came here at fifteen, he's spent what, 30%~ of his life here so far? That number is only increasing. It doesn't seem like he very much wants to leave. He could, he's not a Thrall anymore, iirc. He's a freeman.

But I have a feeling he won't

Not while Halla still lives, at least.

At some point, not to long from now, in 4 years, it'll be 40%, five years after that, 9 Years from now, it'll be 50% of his life.

Half of his life then, spent among the Norse, in less then a decade's time

At what point will he catch himself thinking of the Northlands as home?

Has it already happened? Would we notice?
At what point does he hear the Thunder and think- if just for a moment- not of The Christ-God, but of Thor?
I've always been of the thought that conversion happened on both sides, Historically, I mean, even if Christianity won out in the end.

What would a Crisis of Faith like that do to his Cultivation? What if it's already happening?

That sort of stuff
 
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Bass11 said:
Did our renewable dice refill yet?
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Not yet, no.

JustGazzer said:
At what point will he catch himself thinking of the Northlands as home?

Has it already happened? Would we notice?
At what point does he hear the Thunder and think- if just for a moment- not of The Christ-God, but of Thor?
I've always been of the thought that conversion happened on both sides, Historically, I mean, even if Christianity won out in the end.

What would a Crisis of Faith like that do to his Cultivation? What if it's already happening?
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The culture and the religion are separate, though related. I can see Gabriel gradually becoming part of the culture...part of the religion? Not so much. He's clearly quite devout.
 
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Mystic Pentagram said:
Do we get to see Gabriel character sheet? Like we did Steinarr and Sten?
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I was intending to give it to you next update, but I'll just do it now

[Gabriel Blackstone]
Endurance: (7/16) | Focus: (0/7) (33 Replenish/66 With Armor)
Capacity: (14)

Third Bead of the Fourth Decade
Fervor: 23/99 (Replenish: 33|66) | Zeal: 150 (105 Left)

Grace: (12) (36 Zeal)
Soma: (8) | Infusion: (8)
Psyche: (7) | Infusion: (7)
Pneuma: (5) | Infusion: (5)

Combat Dice: (164d4)

3 Meditation Slots

Armor
Armor: (33/33) | Rebuke: 6 (11)
Boost: +15 to Rolls/+3 Speed | Charges: (1/3)
Armor Blessings
-Freedom of Motion
-Defying the Onslaught
-Long Lost Companions

Martial Styles
-Blackstone Blade - Mastery: (6) | Dice: (36d4)

I'll be adding this to this update and next update too
 
Anyone else want to try to learn Blackstone Blade when we go on the Wessex trip? Hopefully having an in with the Blackstone family means it's possible.
 
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