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So, since it looks like we're gonna be rolling tributaries out in stirland, which presumably includes "Eastern stirland", I have to ask, will tributaries work in sylvania? There was talk about bringing in the bog cults kasimir has been working with for the water spirit rituals, but without the main waystones, it doesn't seem like tributaries would even function, so I dunno if they're gonna be interested in helping out everywhere *but* where they actually live.
 
Meanwhile, Plan Codifying and Swords is only 14 votes behind the lead. An entirely closeable gap that would see us finally finished with sword training once and for all.
 
Since we're posting our next turn Father plans, heres mine

- iron orcs
- forest of shadows nexus (which of the three do people think best to do?)
- Halethan tributaries in ostland
- waystone foundations with almost everyone
- either possible codification pt2 or liminal realm with hedgewise

As you can see, there's no room for branulhune, which is the other part why I like the double in codification and swords.
Raising the standard to four Waystones actions. If that's the plan next turn, there really shouldn't be any issue at all doing two this turn.
 
Marienburg happens to have an important waystone and be a good source of some extra trade.

If the skaven tried to actually destroy it the Asur would intervene.
But they very much have other things occupying their attention.

Brettonia is potentially a vital ally if an everchosen is going to show up, and Tilea and Estalia are quite possibly vital for the old world's waystone network. The Iron orcs a faction of chaos worshipping orcs could become a massive threat if they spread.

People are still very happy to argue it's not our problem.

Leaving aside the all the practicalities of the matter, the asur have an actual history of being the world police especially when it comes to Waystones, this is a matter concerning Waystones, the Empire does not. The reason the Empire does not is because the Empire does not have the reach, it barely has the wherewithal to get its shit together when it is facing a blatant existential threat, the idea what we could get an imperial army in good time to guard waystones in Estalia makes for a better sop to the Emperor's pride than it does an actual plan of action.
 
I'm all for petty spells this turn, but at some point in the next few turns, what about general tradecraft/intrigue?
And if that, what about asking Regimand to give a few lessons if he's got the time?

I'm asking because I kinda' want Eike to meet and learn from her Master's Master, the man who [with a 94 v 4, iirc] whopped Lady Magister Mathilde's ass last time they had a bit of friendly competition, and if we vote to do that and vote for seeing it [or something linked to it] in the social turn I think it might just be really really heartwarming to read.

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EIKE SHOULD MEET ESHIN FRIEND, SOMEHOW!
 
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So, since it looks like we're gonna be rolling tributaries out in stirland, which presumably includes "Eastern stirland", I have to ask, will tributaries work in sylvania? There was talk about bringing in the bog cults kasimir has been working with for the water spirit rituals, but without the main waystones, it doesn't seem like tributaries would even function, so I dunno if they're gonna be interested in helping out everywhere *but* where they actually live.
A lot of eastern stirland, probably not much we can do, but probably a lot we can do in the border territory.
 
I do not think that is the case. The idea that they would not know how to turn off stones leading to a nexus that had been tainted is also kind of hard to swallow, so they must have chosen not to do it... for several thousand years.
To be fair in this specific example, the Black Pillar was dropped in by the Horned Rat to end the 2nd Skaven Civil War, it's been in place for less than 200 years rather than thousands.
 
I am aware that there is some thought to the feasibility of tributaries in Eastern Stirland, but if they do work out how do you think the land will change?
There's enough Dhar baked into the land it'll probably takes centuries to get it all out, but suppressing the ambient dhar enough that spontaneous undead manifestation is an exception rather than an expectation would be nice.
 
So, since it looks like we're gonna be rolling tributaries out in stirland, which presumably includes "Eastern stirland", I have to ask, will tributaries work in sylvania? There was talk about bringing in the bog cults kasimir has been working with for the water spirit rituals, but without the main waystones, it doesn't seem like tributaries would even function, so I dunno if they're gonna be interested in helping out everywhere *but* where they actually live.
I don't think they'll be opposed to helping "West Stirland". The Council of Manhorak is new, and could use more legitimacy. We helped them out while mining Drakenhof by giving them some funds and by giving one of their leaders an opportunity to help slay a vampire, but that's nothing compared to being commissioned by the Dämmerlichtreiter to create artefacts that ward off evil.
 
[X] Plan Lore and Metal, Windfall Edition. (ft. Red Riders)
[X] Plan Codifying and Swords

I'm gonna approval vote riders, because it's cooler than mapping.
 
[X] Plan Lore and Metal, Windfall Edition, Don't exclude Aksel
[X] Plan Lore and Metal, Windfall Edition
 
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Raising the standard to four Waystones actions. If that's the plan next turn, there really shouldn't be any issue at all doing two this turn.
There's three waystone actions that would be good with the Father, so yes it did end up a lot.
… Though actually, since I want to put almost everyone on foundations anyways, waiting a turn on that wouldn't be a problem. Then there would just be one turn that we would have to worry about getting everyone on an action.
 
I'm frankly kind of baffled that apparitions are being contested in the manner they are.

If it was being compared to swording, right on. AV? Fine! Love some snake juice. Rite of way? Arcane marks? These are cool too, let's go.

But it's fighting against mapping Tilea and Estalia. It's useful sure, but...I really don't think it outweighs finally starting another step of a research chain going after so long.

'What if it forces us to use another AP next turn on it?'

Sure, maybe it does. But it could also be just fine. And even if it does, then so be it! We're finishing something the turn after this one; maybe it's forced to be riders, or maybe we can choose, but something is getting done.


Separately; if we do the iron orcs the same turn, we can totally justify burning an extra overwork to fit everything we want in, and take a single turn of low-risk backseat management afterward. Heck, the penalty is only for Mathy, right? The other people in the project will be rolling perfectly fine.

The tool is there for a reason; you just have to manage the consequences correctly.
 
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Separately; if we do the iron orcs the same turn, we can totally justify burning an extra overwork to fit everything we want in, and take a single turn of low-risk backseat management afterward. Heck, the penalty is only for Mathy, right? The other people in the project will be rolling perfectly fine.
That would make the turn with the penalty turn 43, the turn we are able to Morb. So I don't see that happening.

Apparitions aren't competing with mapping really, they're competing with the Father and with AV.
 
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So, since it looks like we're gonna be rolling tributaries out in stirland, which presumably includes "Eastern stirland", I have to ask, will tributaries work in sylvania? There was talk about bringing in the bog cults kasimir has been working with for the water spirit rituals, but without the main waystones, it doesn't seem like tributaries would even function, so I dunno if they're gonna be interested in helping out everywhere *but* where they actually live.

Brought this up earlier, there wasn't really any engagement then either. It seems like the assumption is that even though all the actual Waystones have been removed, tributaries are still going to work. Idk why. I wanted Kislev, which seems to be the obvious choice that got ignored because done people somewhere might get annoyed that the empire didn't get first dibs.
 
That would make the turn with the penalty turn 43, the turn we are able to Morb. So I don't see that happening.

Apparitions aren't competing with mapping really, they're competing with the Father and with AV.

Do the Morbs need a roll? I thought that was entierly automated.

Or did you mean in an AP economy sense, and not a 'Mathy has -10' sense? Because burning the overwork is what I'm saying we should do to fit everything in.
 
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