Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
Man, it's gonna be a paiiin to re-acquire Hugareida and Muna when we die and get to our next character.
The fire of creation/the forge/invention?
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
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- Original Fantasy Action
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- norse mythology (mythology) original xianxia cultivation western cultivation ask sirihand did your mother tell you anything? discussion pleases yggdrasil farming gloating gets people killed granary management hubris is a coward's word you will die norsemen do not die when they are killed the qm has a bad memory the qm is bad at math viking courtroom drama (legal drama) vikings
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It's my hope that we live long enough that our next character is an adult or near adult when we start playing them. That's not even actually that high a bar to clear in terms of age assuming we make it out of the Horra situation alive...like, if Halla hits 35 but then dies, her first kids will be around 18 at that point and older than she is now, having been trained fairly extensively from a young age so their Hugareida and Muna should already be fairly well developed...not compared to Halla's at the age of 35, mind you, but compared to what we have now.
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I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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There is A way you can pass on one hugareida, but it has a hefty price attached to it. Gotta get to Hugr 10 first, though
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Is Abjorn Fylgja been unveiled? we didn't see it happen, i think.
And i have an idea. We could try to gain more huskarl (like Stigmar), so we have more allies against Horra and more Management Dice in the next turns.
Maybe we could try to recruit Halfdan or one of his children? Stigr could easly be convinced now that Halla saved him. Maybe Aki Runson? he could be pretty useful and living in Halla and Abjorn farm could make him less lonely.
We should visit Stigr anyway this turn, to see how he is now that he is been healed.
And i have an idea. We could try to gain more huskarl (like Stigmar), so we have more allies against Horra and more Management Dice in the next turns.
Maybe we could try to recruit Halfdan or one of his children? Stigr could easly be convinced now that Halla saved him. Maybe Aki Runson? he could be pretty useful and living in Halla and Abjorn farm could make him less lonely.
We should visit Stigr anyway this turn, to see how he is now that he is been healed.
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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Oh man I'm so excited for you guys to really sink your teeth into this.
Also, I'll go ahead and tell you the naming scheme of Hallr and his descendants. Your family's names typically reference rocks or stones in some way. Not always, and this is a recent development, but it is common.
Also, I'll go ahead and tell you the naming scheme of Hallr and his descendants. Your family's names typically reference rocks or stones in some way. Not always, and this is a recent development, but it is common.
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That's a really good point.
@Imperial Fister what's Abjorn's Fylgja? Is that gonna be in the next post?
And on an unrelated note, did you see my post about there being an error in our orthstirr? Either we should have 229 Orthstirr rather than 219, or our listed Frami, Virthing, and Saemd are wrong. Dunno which, but one of the two.
Someone swearing themselves to us as a Huskarl is a big deal and not something that's gonna happen quickly for the most part. All of these people are possible recruits, but few are likely to join us immediately. Maybe Stigandr if he feels like it.
We are. At least in my plan we are. Visiting him and making sure he's okay is a priority.
Of course it's a big deal, but after what Halla did for Stigr convincing him to join her household should be easier.
And even without getting new Huskarls we should reconnect with our allies in the Valley and cultivate Halla's relationship with them. At least Halfdan should be a sure ally against Horra and the Enemy, especially after the attack on his farm. Halfdan could also help with the Farm, or at least teach Halla and Abjorn how to better manage a farm.
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Halfdan has his own farm to manage and is already training us regularly (we get 3d6 in training from him every turn), so I think we have as much help on the farm as he can afford to give without it being inappropriate (ie: we'd be asking for a handout, something we neither need nor want to do). But yes, he'd definitely back us against Horra if it came to it. So would Stigandr's whole family, Abjorn's dad, and obviously our own family. With a bit of luck freeing Gabriel will add him to that list as well, and more time with Aki has decent odds of adding him...though he's a bit young to be useful at that sort of thing right at the moment.
But I agree entirely that we should certainly cultivate all our friendships going forward, I'm simply saying that doing so to the point where people swear oaths of loyalty might take a long while, that's all.
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I didn't remember that, my bad.
Maybe we could try to recruit one of his younger children as farmhands? arguing that it could help them learn how to manage a farm of their own. That would be mutualy advantageous for both Halfdan family and us. They don't need to live on the farm, but helping with the fields in exchange for payment would be okay.
I mean, Stigmar didn't even meet Halla before the Raid Trials and immediatly sweared himself to her because she saved his little brother that morning.
People who already like and are friends with Halla should be easier to sway, if she does something big enough for them at the right moment.
Afterall, Halla is already quite precocious for a Norse of her age.
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Hiring one of his kids isn't crazy talk and we might bring it up in the future, yeah. We need to build more housing first before we go out recruiting people though, IMO.
Stigmar was a combination of our specific previous actions being tailor made to provoke that kind of reaction and the fact that, when we went to talk with him we rolled 13 successes on the Silver-Tongue roll (on 10 dice, mind you). We can't expect to succeed similarly with other people absent both really high rolls and acts of heroism...which is to say not reliably, even when dealing with friends. Like, yes, if we save their relatives' lives people will swear all sorts of things in response but that's a bit of a niche circumstance and even then doesn't always result in an oath to serve us, y'know? Like, when we saved Halfdan's son, he swore eternal friendship instead, which was awesome but a very different thing.
Depending on how far Halfdan farm is, his children could work in Halla farm without the need to build more housing. They need to just take a long walk to come to work every day.
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Stigmar was a combination of our specific previous actions being tailor made to provoke that kind of reaction and the fact that, when we went to talk with him we rolled 13 successes on the Silver-Tongue roll (on 10 dice, mind you). We can't expect to succeed similarly with other people absent both really high rolls and acts of heroism...which is to say not reliably, even when dealing with friends. Like, yes, if we save their relatives' lives people will swear all sorts of things in response but that's a bit of a niche circumstance and even then doesn't always result in an oath to serve us, y'know? Like, when we saved Halfdan's son, he swore eternal friendship instead, which was awesome but a very different thing.
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I agree that it was an extraordinary situation, but considering how many people relatives Halla keep saving every few chapters it should not be too hard to replicate.
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That's technically doable but not a very attractive sales pitch. They don't owe us working on our farm, and it's not some great and unequalled opportunity, it's a job. If we want to recruit people to work for us, we need to make the conditions good enough that they want to do so...someplace to live on the farm in question is not a big request for prospective employees to make, it's a fundamental norm of this kind of employment in this environment.
I think it's only happened twice so far. It'll probably happen again, but I wouldn't expect it to be frequent.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Halla has saved/majorly helped:
Stigr/Stigandr (from Nidheart curse by Horra)
Halfdan the Dane's Son (by bandit) - His name came out later at some point but I forgot which update.
Fabvir the Fabulous - Technically we prevented his body from rotting, more like.
Stigr/Stigandr (from Nidheart curse by Horra)
Halfdan the Dane's Son (by bandit) - His name came out later at some point but I forgot which update.
Fabvir the Fabulous - Technically we prevented his body from rotting, more like.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Fabvir's already spoken for, unfortunately.
I never said that was the final offer, just a temporary one until we build more housing. To build more housing we need more people, so first we hire the people and then we build the housing.
Wow... this was... wow
So fucking much to unpack there, that the thread already did (lucky me).
now, some of the discussion that caught my eyes:
so, when either Steinar or Halla bacomes a great-great-grandparent it should be safe-ish, i think.
Also, imagine if the ancestral weapon is just a magitech blowtorch or something
Perhaps someone raided greece and looted Hephaeistos's hammer, another touched it up and so on....
...Damn, now i wanna make a smelting hammer (Just a smith hammer, that can smelt/melt metals without a forge)....
Remind me, do Icecicle iron protects from water?
If yes, make an armor from that, if not, go on a search for water/tide iron for water immunity.
Gotta ask though... can we enchance/enrune mail?
(i also wanna learn how to make graves and bracers from the knight armors, because damn if they aren't handy!)
or some other fluffy litle monstrosity?
it just makes too much sense. The fire, the rock hard-headedness....
Imagine if we recreate the ancestral weapon.... by pure accident, without even going to Gotland or taking the parts, so not even the steelfathers can see it coming lol!
can't wait for that teaching thing to come online...
Also, research dice.... perhaps, in a future turn we should play with oshtstirr? see how far our control can get us with it or something...
[X] Plan First Turn Back
Edit: OH, OH!!!! We should ask both Hallr and Steiner if they know about the scarecrow assassins! later, obviously, but still. Better ask them if they know the things from the many raids they went on or not.
So fucking much to unpack there, that the thread already did (lucky me).
now, some of the discussion that caught my eyes:
IF mentioned the Norse only followed the family tree for 5 generations iirc?
so, when either Steinar or Halla bacomes a great-great-grandparent it should be safe-ish, i think.
Also, imagine if the ancestral weapon is just a magitech blowtorch or something
Perhaps someone raided greece and looted Hephaeistos's hammer, another touched it up and so on....
...Damn, now i wanna make a smelting hammer (Just a smith hammer, that can smelt/melt metals without a forge)....
...
Remind me, do Icecicle iron protects from water?
If yes, make an armor from that, if not, go on a search for water/tide iron for water immunity.
Gotta ask though... can we enchance/enrune mail?
(i also wanna learn how to make graves and bracers from the knight armors, because damn if they aren't handy!)
What about a Jaw Deer?
or some other fluffy litle monstrosity?
...we are a family of blacksmiths, aren't we?
it just makes too much sense. The fire, the rock hard-headedness....
Imagine if we recreate the ancestral weapon.... by pure accident, without even going to Gotland or taking the parts, so not even the steelfathers can see it coming lol!
can't wait for that teaching thing to come online...
Also, research dice.... perhaps, in a future turn we should play with oshtstirr? see how far our control can get us with it or something...
[X] Plan First Turn Back
Edit: OH, OH!!!! We should ask both Hallr and Steiner if they know about the scarecrow assassins! later, obviously, but still. Better ask them if they know the things from the many raids they went on or not.
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[X] Plan First Turn Back
Sirrocco
Pedantic
So...
- Someone is actively fucking with our bloodline and has been for many, many generations.
- This is somehow tied in with how horrible steel in general is.
- Horra and his family are right in the thick of this, likely for generations, trying to wipe out our family line.
- They use major acts of fate-rewriting - breaking and reweaving reality. They killed Hallr not just by deploying significant numebrs of Steelfathers against him, but by retroactively making them have always been chasing him with little enough lead time that he couldn't prepare.
- Steinarr... might or might not know about this?
- The Nornir are absolutely involved. Whether they're the ones doing it or they're just the ones reweaving Fate so that it mostly works when reality is otherwise broken is not currently clear.
I also notice... Norse culture is almost designed to make it easy for long-distance Fate-workers to kill people when they're being bothersome. Like, everyone who matters is encouraged to get into lethal fights on a fairly regular basis, and whether or not you die when you are killed is utterly arbitrary. Further, if someone does rearrange reality so that you're retroactively being chased by a bunch of Steelfathers, then you're not allowed to run away. Steelfathers probably aren't that good at chasing people, but that doesn't even matter, because if they're calling you out, you're not allowed to say "no". Oh, and it's hugely into battle and combat, and *not* into leaving nay sort of lasting legacy on the world, so that when you say "hey, here's a cursed weapon that will make you great in combat but be a blight on the world once it leaves your hands" lots of people think that that's a good deal.
I gotta ask... what does Sten know? Why did he leave? Learning how to forge steel isn't something that you stumble into by mistake. Steinarr may know things, but Sten is guaranteed to know things.
- Someone is actively fucking with our bloodline and has been for many, many generations.
- This is somehow tied in with how horrible steel in general is.
- Horra and his family are right in the thick of this, likely for generations, trying to wipe out our family line.
- They use major acts of fate-rewriting - breaking and reweaving reality. They killed Hallr not just by deploying significant numebrs of Steelfathers against him, but by retroactively making them have always been chasing him with little enough lead time that he couldn't prepare.
- Steinarr... might or might not know about this?
- The Nornir are absolutely involved. Whether they're the ones doing it or they're just the ones reweaving Fate so that it mostly works when reality is otherwise broken is not currently clear.
I also notice... Norse culture is almost designed to make it easy for long-distance Fate-workers to kill people when they're being bothersome. Like, everyone who matters is encouraged to get into lethal fights on a fairly regular basis, and whether or not you die when you are killed is utterly arbitrary. Further, if someone does rearrange reality so that you're retroactively being chased by a bunch of Steelfathers, then you're not allowed to run away. Steelfathers probably aren't that good at chasing people, but that doesn't even matter, because if they're calling you out, you're not allowed to say "no". Oh, and it's hugely into battle and combat, and *not* into leaving nay sort of lasting legacy on the world, so that when you say "hey, here's a cursed weapon that will make you great in combat but be a blight on the world once it leaves your hands" lots of people think that that's a good deal.
I gotta ask... what does Sten know? Why did he leave? Learning how to forge steel isn't something that you stumble into by mistake. Steinarr may know things, but Sten is guaranteed to know things.
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This is possible, but my impression was that Horra's family is a relatively new blight in our family's complicated history - in the entire scheme of things, he's ultimately just a tool of the Enemy, rather than some sworn enemy of our bloodline. If his family really have been trying to wipe us out for generations, I assume Hallr would've killed them all when he had the chance - I doubt Horra at the time would've been stronger than his father, who Hallr killed. Like, Horra is a conniving rat, but I don't think he's good enough to escape a determined Hallr.
Yeah, Sten definitely knows something. I'm not sure if he knows about the whole 'ancestral weapon hidden in Gotland', but I suspect that the reason he fled Finland is related to the Curse and the Enemy.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
Actually, I have to corect myself here. You are correct. Horra is relatively recent.
- Horra's father kills Seeress's father.
- Seeress convinces Hallr to kill Horra's father in exchange for the secrets of Seidr. Hallr does so. She also bears him two sons.
- Horra kills those two men in unrighteous ways.
It's only at that third point that his line became a trial for Hallr's line. Also, given that she's in the area, presumably her sons were too, which means that Horra's deep roots locally are part of why it would have been impossible to get justice for him stabbing them in the back.
Now... the fact that Horra has access to unclean arts? That sounds more like it might be the work of the Enemy.
Weird thought... it feels like the enemy is... maybe Steel itself somehow? Like, it's not exactly the norns, because its power is far more limited. It clearly desires harm to our family, as it's blatantly cheating in order to inflict injuries on us, but it isn't acting often. If the Norns hated us as much as this thing hates us, we'd already all be dead. It also seems to act mostly through catspaws and existing vendetta and whatnot, and possibly through those that are already morally compromised in some fashion. Like, thus far, we've seen it act through Horra, through the Steelfathers, possibly through whichever critter it was that killed our younger sibling, through a tainted version of our nisse....
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Yeah, I actually agree with you here. It feels like Steel itself is our enemy... or rather, whatever is behind Steel - as in, it's creator, or whoever cursed Steel in the first place (Sten mentioned a 'Hornet'?). Like you said, if it was the Norns, our bloodline would've been wiped out already. The Norns do clearly have a part in this, but I'm not actually sure they're actively working against us. The only real info we have on Steel is the stuff that Sten told us, but he clearly didn't finish the story that was about Steel's creation/Curse. Which is why I want us to talk with him so badly.
Yep a hornet like poisoned steel wot its sting or something, so whatever the hornet represents sounds like the kind of guy to cheat. He is sneaky and uses poison/corruption.
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I know that we have Hallr to help things along but we surely cant be the only person in the Norse Cultivation System™ to see that some things are rather, to put it politely, fucked with our system. Whats the biggest city in Norse culture at this time? Maybe someday we could take a trip there and talk to other people who see (and want to do something about) these problems.