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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Well then, I wasn't expecting to get answers on Dum with this, but I'm really happy we did. Thanks Boney.

Boney said:
Why Ekrund, pinned between the Badlands and the sea? Why Norsca, the shattered remnants of another prison? Why the Middle Mountains, desolate and cursed? Why risk everything to travel across the Dark Lands and the Great Ocean, often never to be heard from again?
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I don't think we have any guesses as to which known god is an old god corresponding to these places. Though the Middle Mountains one is interesting considering Thorek may someday go check out the Hold there. More reason to try to get in on that expedition.
And whose prison was Norsca? Humanity? Humans didn't come from the north though, unless they moved far away first before coming back.
Boney said:
"The southern Holds called us paranoid, even as history gave the horrible answers to our other two suspicions: Why Uzkulak? Why Tylos?
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There was speculation, though I don't remember whether it was by Mathilde or Cython, or in the thread that Hashut was a god of the Dawi from before the Ancestor Gods, and this seems to point to it being true.
Boney said:
In pain and madness it found a fourth family in beings as broken as it was, and walked the world as Morghur, a meaningless bleat from the throat of a beast.
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It's interesting that Morghur became a (mostly) physical being at this point, abandoning their existence in the Aethyr.
Boney said:
Karag Dum called the being that was Shadowgave, that was city-father, and that was the desert wind, because the first thing it was, was the teacher and warden of the Dawi.
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This makes it seem like he was specifically set to watch the Dawi. Does that mean that the other old gods were originally set to watch the other cities/races? Or did every race have its own set of old gods, and the other Dawi gods were simply not teacher/warden? Which of the current gods are old gods and which are not? Deathfang's story implied that the gods weren't part of the Old Ones' plan, but then he may be mistaken.

From what Borek told us, the Karag Dum dwarves are still on the side of Order, and seem to have a lot of interesting knowledge on various important topics. We just can't get to it.
Hmm, maybe if we find the most radical of radical Runesmiths we can send them to Dum to get their secrets. Dum's protection by Morghur relies on them being Dawi not specifically from Karag Dum, so he shouldn't murder them outright. Doubt this would work though, sadly.

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[X] Wizard
 
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Whoa. That was close.

Borek could ask Mat to join him and documented his demise.. and who knows how many book that will take..

Theres something.. odly Japanese about this.. kinda like someone ask you to be his 'second' or to write him a Haiku.
Mathilda's rep is very-very dwarven.

With.. x amount of dough (i don't remember how much we owe this guy), there should be enough money to buy a couple barrel of the 'good stuff'.

Also, if he can be directed to the most ork invested part of the world.. it would be helpfull in the long run.

If he tell us to keep it....
I wonder what is the honorable way to spend it to help him.
 
Once Mathilde has completed her messy and fragrant task, will she remind Borek of the financial debt she still owes him from the Expedition?

[X] Yes

[X] Dwarven
[X] Other: Prank
 
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Boney said:
Once Mathilde has completed her messy and fragrant task, will she remind Borek of the financial debt she still owes him from the Expedition?
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Messy and fragrant, huh? What if that's intentional?

Mathilde: Soo... about that debt...
Borek: No need to pay it right now. If I need it, I'll find you.
Mathilde: I'm not always the easiest person to find.
Borek: Much easier now. Just have to follow the scent of troll fat.
Mathilde: :mad:
 
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[X] Wizard
[X] Secrets
[X] Stirlandian
[X] Other: Prank
[X] Other: Hat

Yes of course we're reminding Borek of our debt, we have a dwarf soul.

As much as I love Mathildes interactions with the dwarves and have really enjoyed being a Ranaldite (Ranaldian?), I am not a fan of the religious or dwarf inductions. Yes I think we should definitely attempt to include our apprentice in those things, but not as a first impression (of sorts). And really those are choices we (Mathilde) made for us (her), and I think Eike should have the opportunity to make her own choices regarding religion and dwarfiness.

Perfectly happy with emphasising her duty (Wizard), her roots (Stirland), or sharing some secrets to wet her appetite. And pretty sure neither will win but I am a huge fan of the Prank option and the Hat option is lovely too.
 
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[X] Secrets

The amount of speculation about binding am apparition of an Old One reminds me a lot of A Practical Guide to Evil. "How do you murder a God? You make a new one"

Let's go find an Old One and use it as a stepping stone to hanging out with Ranald?
 
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[X] Wizard
Eike's specialisations will come from her own career path but to be successful in them she will need to fit within the oaths, oversight and magical teachings of the Grey College. Get good at being a wizard now and the rest can follow.
 
Sotek does seem to be an extremely likely candidate for being an old dwarf god.
  • Sotek is another animal god.
  • The Lustrian dwarves in Total War: Warhammer live on the Spine of Sotek.
  • Sotek's most hated enemy are the Skaven.
  • Sotek has rocked up and ingratiated itself into a society that was previously not actually looking for a new god.
I wonder why Karag Dum distrusted the old gods so much? It seems very much against the dwarven character to just drop them as a whole no matter how cool the Ancestor Gods were, without a good reason. Methinks that split was not on great terms.

Of course, the dwarves at Zorn didn't follow the Ancestor Gods to the North. That the old gods all scattered and left anyway implies something, though I'm not sure what.

[x] Yes
[x] Wizard
[x] Secrets
 
[X] Yes
[X] Secrets

Clearly, this option means telling Eike the First and Second Secrets. :V
 
HeWhoAdds said:
It's possible that Urmskaladrak was repurposed to create Hashut, just as Radixashen eventually became Morghur. Granted, the creation of Hashut would have been on a significantly larger scale.
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Urmskaladrak and Radixsashen are dragons, not gods. According to Deathfang, Radixashen merged with Rhya. Urmskaladrak is uspposed to have been killed by Grimnir IIRC. There's not much to support the idea that they're the gods the Dwarfs used to worship though.

vsh said:
- Great Maw would fit if not for its origin story
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Might still fit, if it was imprisoned at some point and the meteor freed it rather than the meteor activiely being a god itself.

Nerdasaurus Rex said:
... Is Ranald a dwarf god?
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I suspect not. His freedom and rebellion dominions mark him as unlikely to be a being described as a warden IMO. I wonder if instead he was an early human god, when they were dreaming of leaving wherever they were kept?

Romv said:
This makes it seem like he was specifically set to watch the Dawi. Does that mean that the other old gods were originally set to watch the other cities/races? Or did every race have its own set of old gods, and the other Dawi gods were simply not teacher/warden?
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The story opens with Borek calling all of the pre-Ancestor Gods "our teachers and our wardens". So I think it's just a way to callback to his origin as one of those beings.

Deathbybunnies said:
I wonder why Karag Dum distrusted the old gods so much? It seems very much against the dwarven character to just drop them as a whole no matter how cool the Ancestor Gods were, without a good reason. Methinks that split was not on great terms.
Of course, the dwarves at Zorn didn't follow the Ancestor Gods to the North. That the old gods all scattered and left anyway implies something, though I'm not sure what.
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Well, they got called "wardens" so I suspect the Dwarfs wanted to leave. And the Gods didn't like that, so they had a fight, the Ancestors won, and everyone left. If the Dwarfs needed to expand due to say, overpopulation, maybe the Dwarfs of Zorn stayed, not because they disagreed with the Ancestor Gods, but because they were free to be able to stay.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Well, they got called "wardens" so I suspect the Dwarfs wanted to leave. And the Gods didn't like that, so they had a fight, the Ancestors won, and everyone left. If the Dwarfs needed to expand due to say, overpopulation, maybe the Dwarfs of Zorn stayed, not because they disagreed with the Ancestor Gods, but because they were free to be able to stay.
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I agree, Borek called Norsca "another prison", so that seems to indicate to me that the Old Gods kept them contained in Karak Zorn no matter their own opinion on the matter. This does track with Mazdamundis interpretation of the Great Plan - where every race created by the Old Ones has their dedicated area where they should stay in on pain of annihilation.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
I suspect not. His freedom and rebellion dominions mark him as unlikely to be a being described as a warden IMO. I wonder if instead he was an early human god, when they were dreaming of leaving wherever they were kept?
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Unless he's an early self-made dwarven god, the one the Ancestor Gods themselves were following the themes of when they rebelled and overthrow the Old One's warden gods and dragons.

Chronic said:
I agree, Borek called Norsca "another prison", so that seems to indicate to me that the Old Gods kept them contained in Karak Zorn no matter their own opinion on the matter. This does track with Mazdamundis interpretation of the Great Plan - where every race created by the Old Ones has their dedicated area where they should stay in on pain of annihilation.
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Notably, there's apparently an old pre-Coming of Chaos elven city in the middle of Norsca. Perhaps the elves started off there before moving to Ulthuan.
 
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Another very good candidate for an "Old" or "City" God would be Angkor, the Father of Mammoths. He was incarnated as an immortal, super powerful mammoth and had taken the northern tribe known as the Khazags under his protection, until one of their leaders fell to Chaos, betrayed him and enslaved him in service to the Chaos Gods. Angkor seems most like Morghur amongst the candidates, as a weakened, incarnated but still immensely powerful divine avatar and he still serves the Khazags to this day. His name is also suspiciously Dwarvy, Ankor obviously meaning eternal or mountain, quite fitting for a Mammothgod known as "He who carried the world on his back".

This also reminds me that Sotek is also said to have incarnated as a massive snake in the final battle where Clan Pestilens was driven from Lustria. The Horned Rat did the same when it reformed the Skaven Underempire and granted them the Pillar of Commandments. Perhaps having a physical incarnation is something of a theme with the Old or City Gods.
 
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[X] Yes
[X] Wizard
[X] Secrets
[X] Other: Hat

Wait a moment, if Cor Dum does was once Khsar, does this mean a bunch of undead Nehekaran Priests in *checks* Bhagar are itching to head to Karag Dum and don't know why? Akin to what we saw with the discussion of the Grand Urbanz being melted down?

... Now I want to see a scene of them badgering Setep for an expedition.

(Is that even how it works? Can you steal the likes of a god from the Tomb Kings, not just material things gold and artifacts?)
 
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