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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Codex said:
The odds are stacked against you, even if it's 6 to 5. I'm sure Cython is more than capable of grounding miscasts, but not even they are the type to just shrug them off.
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Actually, 2-4 and 10-12 are much less likely than 5-9.
In fact, there is a1/3 chance of rolling 2-4 or 10-12.

Though any chance of those is bad, the odds are against them happening.

If you are interested in why, let me know.
 
Shane_357 said:
Really think we should go chat with the Elementalists. They're doing something funky with where they get magic from, who knows, might be something we can kitbash into AV.
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Boney has spoken of the subject, I don't think it's very likely we would succeed in convincing them, or that Mathilde would even be willing to try.
Boney said:
If you mean 'can they be paid to do things', yes. If you mean arguments along the line of 'if Chaos swallows the world you won't be able to make any money', no.


No.
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Boney said:
it is extremely likely that any Elementalist that is approached about an exciting opportunity to work directly with a Lord Magister of the Grey Order will suddenly remember an extremely urgent appointment they had on the opposite side of the continent.
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Andres said:
Figuratively or... :V
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Well, there was the option to do it a bit more literally :V

Édit: i misread your post, but I still don't think Mathidle would like to associate with them in any way.
 
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mathymancer said:
My intution - which isn't based on much, admittedly - is that it's a bit like an electric current. Say that electric charges want to go from point A to point B because of some arcane principle called 'electric potential' or whatever. I connect a cable in a straight line from point A to B and electricty flows from A to B just as we think it should. But then I replace the cable with a much longer cable, that twists around in a big loop. Electricty still flows from the point of the cable that's connected to point A to the point that's connected to point B, but it's no longer taking the shortest path; at some points in its path it's moving away from point B! The crux of the matter is that electricty can move easily through the cable, but it has a real hard time moving through air. The shortest path in space from A to B is a straight line, but in fact moving along the cable is much faster even if it's a very long path, just like a road connecting two towns will often take a path that isn't a straight line but will still be preferable to a straight line because it's easier to travel on the road.

The reason this came to mind is that Dhar being attracted to the Vortex isn't enough to explain what's going on. The Dhar and winds are moving along the leylines, instead of just being sucked away to the Vortex in a straight line as if it were a big vacuum, which makes sense if leylines are a medium through which the winds and Dhar can move more easily, like a conductor with electric currents. So maybe the closed loop in the Kislev circuit isn't quite closed - the start and end point could both be in Erengrad for example, but one is somewhat closer to the Vortex than the other one, and the winds take the long way around because the Ice Witches twisted the leylines that way. Or maybe something completely different is going on, I don't know.
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Maybe there's a Goddess under Erengrad that gobbles up excess energy and acts as the fulcrum for the mini-vortex. We can't exactly tell at this point.
 
Codex said:
I was never that good at math, but my reaction to this is a simple "what". How does that happen? There are more bad results than good results, but there is a higher chance of rolling a good result than a bad result? How does that work?
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Good question, glad you asked. Rolling one die at a time, there are 36 possible outcomes. ( 6 possible outcomes for the first die times 6 possible outcomes for the second die)
the chance for each number is the number of outcomes that give that number, divided by the total number of possible outcomes.

There is 1/36 chance of rolling a 2
1/36 chance of rolling a 12.
2/36 chance for 3
2/36 chance for 11
3/36 chance for 4, same for 10.

Thus, there is 12/36 chance of rolling one of the set {2,3,4,10,11,12}
 
mathymancer said:
My intution - which isn't based on much, admittedly - is that it's a bit like an electric current. Say that electric charges want to go from point A to point B because of some arcane principle called 'electric potential' or whatever. I connect a cable in a straight line from point A to B and electricty flows from A to B just as we think it should. But then I replace the cable with a much longer cable, that twists around in a big loop. Electricty still flows from the point of the cable that's connected to point A to the point that's connected to point B, but it's no longer taking the shortest path; at some points in its path it's moving away from point B! The crux of the matter is that electricty can move easily through the cable, but it has a real hard time moving through air. The shortest path in space from A to B is a straight line, but in fact moving along the cable is much faster even if it's a very long path, just like a road connecting two towns will often take a path that isn't a straight line but will still be preferable to a straight line because it's easier to travel on the road.

The reason this came to mind is that Dhar being attracted to the Vortex isn't enough to explain what's going on. The Dhar and winds are moving along the leylines, instead of just being sucked away to the Vortex in a straight line as if it were a big vacuum, which makes sense if leylines are a medium through which the winds and Dhar can move more easily, like a conductor with electric currents. So maybe the closed loop in the Kislev circuit isn't quite closed - the start and end point could both be in Erengrad for example, but one is somewhat closer to the Vortex than the other one, and the winds take the long way around because the Ice Witches twisted the leylines that way. Or maybe something completely different is going on, I don't know.
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It's like rivers—rivers always take the path of least resistance, which is why they curve and they loop and they wiggle allover the place instead of running straight from mountain to coast. A river has to cut its way to the coast by eroding rock, and it will always go through soft rocks (limestone, sandstone) over hard rocks (granite).
 
TreP said:
If Ice Witches can do this, that's quite a big news, is it not?
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Well, it does seem that moving leylines around is at least somewhat possible.
Boney said:
"It is difficult for leylines to be made to flow under mountains."
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If leylines can be 'made' to flow in certain ways (even if this particular example is about how difficult it is), then the elves at least definitely have some ability to twist them around, right?
 
mathymancer said:
Well, it does seem that moving leylines around is at least somewhat possible.

If leylines can be 'made' to flow in certain ways (even if this particular example is about how difficult it is), then the elves at least definitely have some ability to twist them around, right?
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Similarly, it's "easiest" for leylines to flow North/South and East/West (possibly because of the magnetic field?), but that doesn't mean it can't flow in other directions.
 
It's possible they're running so much magic through the circuit that zhuf logic is all that matters so with the help of their gods anything goes.

Hell maybe it doesn't use Dhar at all anymore? We have basically zero data on how ice magic functions. For all we know it can be used to wrap up magic and yeet it along or just make tunnels for the winds to be pushed through. All while sending any sucked up Dhar to the main network on it's own using the standard functions.
 
mathymancer said:
If leylines can be 'made' to flow in certain ways (even if this particular example is about how difficult it is), then the elves at least definitely have some ability to twist them around, right?
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Well, yes, creating or at least editing leylines is certainly not impossible. I can easily see Old ones doing this. Maybe Ulthuan Elves to a certain point. I would be kind of surprised if Ice Witches are able to do this though.
 
pucflek said:
How puissant is Mathilde perceived to be by the rest of the colleagues? I know Lord Magisters talked about it in the Dragomas fight, but only about other Patriarchs, so i am curious.
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Mathilde's reputation to those that don't really pay much attention to her would be either be 'the one that goes on surprisingly successful Dwarven expeditions' or 'the researcher into interesting magical esoterica'. Both suggest she's capable of taking care of herself, but don't really signal 'bad-ass magical brawler' the way that, say, the reputation of Gehenna or Lady Magister Grey do.
 
Boney said:
Mathilde's reputation to those that don't really pay much attention to her would be either be 'the one that goes on surprisingly successful Dwarven expeditions' or 'the researcher into interesting magical esoterica'. Both suggest she's capable of taking care of herself, but don't really signal 'bad-ass magical brawler' the way that, say, the reputation of Gehenna or Lady Magister Grey do.
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Lady Magister Grey is a magical brawler I see....

Another datapoint to enter into the mental database. I thought she was the Stealth specialist.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
It's like rivers—rivers always take the path of least resistance, which is why they curve and they loop and they wiggle allover the place instead of running straight from mountain to coast. A river has to cut its way to the coast by eroding rock, and it will always go through soft rocks (limestone, sandstone) over hard rocks (granite).
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This is similar but not quite the same as what I'm getting at, because water still doesn't flow uphill (well, for most the part). If you dig a nice convenient channel for water to flow through it still wouldn't climb up your channel to reach the ocean, it would move downwards even if it wouldn't move in the a straight line downwards.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Similarly, it's "easiest" for leylines to flow North/South and East/West (possibly because of the magnetic field?), but that doesn't mean it can't flow in other directions.
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The ordinal/cardinal directions thing might have more to do with the polar gates being at the poles than the magnetic field, but who knows.
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Niedzwenka says that the Kislev vortex "spins the winds into ice". I don't know how literal that is, but it sounds like the vortex converts the winds into ice magic somehow?
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I think the Kislev network kind of has to be expanding the winds (and the Dhar?) in some way, because magic is added from the poles to the system and unlike other networks it isn't sending that magic forward.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Jyn Ryvia on May 11, 2022 at 6:32 AM, finished with 1130 posts and 290 votes.
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Sadly, this seems to only be a 3 person race, so I'm going to limit my vote to the most likely to beat the Spiders.

[X] Cython
[x] Locals
 
mathymancer said:
This is similar but not quite the same as what I'm getting at, because water still doesn't flow uphill (well, for most the part). If you dig a nice convenient channel for water to flow through it still wouldn't climb up your channel to reach the ocean, it would move downwards even if it wouldn't move in the a straight line downwards.
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Water moves downwards because of gravity. For Dhar, gravity center and ocean it supposed to go into is the same thing. Therefore, as I understand it, Dhar moves to the Vortex through the path of less resistance, and can be pulled by Aethyr attraction "uphill".
 
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