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Dammit, I thought of Cython staff too, but left it out because I couldn't think of a good reason why. Other than the obvious reason of giant magical dragon with epic staff.
Cython is more than big enough to wield a staff that unwieldy...

But what if we experiment with alternate forms of staff?

Why are staves shaped the way they are?

I assume convenience and portability... But why not make a throne... And then embed an orb of Sorcery in it
 
quick qn : the way we found to create new orbs of sorcery ....do we know IC how to replicate the process in a way which doesn't need the magic snek juice ?
 
I would say "Only Mathilde could find that stuff relaxing", but I imagine that there are many other eccentrics who find such things relaxing as well.

I can confirm that lab work is incredibly relaxing. It's just you in a well lit, well ventilated room, maybe some music in the background, and a hundred test tubes that need the same three-step process applied to them one after the other. Excellent way to spend an afternoon.
 
I wonder if growing powerstones with vitae would allow for something similar to edaphoecotropism (word for when a tree grows around an object). Don't know how useful it would be to have embedded materials within a powerstone, maybe as some kind of composite material, but the embedded materials could take and hold the shape of a rune. A Staff of Orb with layers upon layers of embedded runes. It'd be amazing, assuming of course the runes actually work.

Maybe dragon bone would make for a good material to try this with.

Or what about growing the same type of powerstones into each other?
 
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So, one question about the waystones, and I might have missed the discussion on this while skimming the thread, apologies if so: We know now that waystones work because dhar naturally wants to flow to the vortex. How then do closed loops like the Kislev Circuit work? Seems to me like the winds would need to flow up the metaphorical hill at least part of the way.

That seems to me like it would be a useful and potentially pretty important bit to investigate, unless Mathilde already got an idea of how the loops work?
 
quick qn : the way we found to create new orbs of sorcery ....do we know IC how to replicate the process in a way which doesn't need the magic snek juice ?

Not yet. How the elves make orbs is currently unknown—although it appears that the Eonir might have a source of AV at the bottom of a lake, only that lake is protected by a spirit and I think the priest-smiths of Vaul have a monopoly on any that can be extracted via the waterfall.
 
I mean it would not have to be staff shaped. I do not think he is overly worried about grounding miscasts, both because of how long he has lived and cast spells and because... well he is a dragon, most miscasts are more of an inconvenience than anything.

'Oh no a STR 10 hit, whatever shall I do' *down one wound*

That said maybe Erngrim could make something nice for him with a white magic orb.
In the tabletop, you roll a 2D6 for miscasts, and and there are results ranging from 2 to 12. That's 11 results. Of them, 3 are Strength 10 hits, and 2 are Strength 6 hits. That's 5/11. The remaining results are Dimensional Cascade (2-4), which is a Strength 10 hit followed by a 50% chance of being shunted into the Realm of Chaos, and Magic Drain (10-12), which permanently reduces your magic level by D3 and removes that many spells from your arsenal.

The odds are stacked against you, even if it's 6 to 5. I'm sure Cython is more than capable of grounding miscasts, but not even they are the type to just shrug them off.
 
Gratitude of said dragon, for example? Although, would he consider an Orb as something valuable is a question.
Yeah, but just general gratitude is a hard sell for something that big and valuable. Usually you want something to direct that gratitude to.
quick qn : the way we found to create new orbs of sorcery ....do we know IC how to replicate the process in a way which doesn't need the magic snek juice ?
Apparently, either go hang out at the Poles, or rip open a portal to the Warp. Both have their problems though.

Now someone asked earlier if it would be possible to use a big Orb enchanted device to do the latter, and Boney replied that it's actually pretty easy to make portals, the problem is closing them reliably. Which begs the question… could we use one or multiple Orbs in an enchantment to do that closing.
 
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Actually, Orb of Sorcery is smaller than Cython's head, so why not let him eat it :V He did want to eat light, and that way we don't have to give anything to the L*ght college.
 
In the tabletop, you roll a 2D6 for miscasts, and and there are results ranging from 2 to 12. That's 11 results. Of them, 3 are Strength 10 hits, and 2 are Strength 6 hits. That's 5/11. The remaining results are Dimensional Cascade (2-4), which is a Strength 10 hit followed by a 50% chance of being shunted into the Realm of Chaos, and Magic Drain (10-12), which permanently reduces your magic level by D3 and removes that many spells from your arsenal.

The odds are stacked against you, even if it's 6 to 5. I'm sure Cython is more than capable of grounding miscasts, but not even they are the type to just shrug them off.

And then the RPG has three miscast tables, each rolled on a d100, with results ranging from "nearby milk spoils" to "a giant hand reaches down and drags you into the warp".

Yeah, but just general gratitude is a hard sell for something that big and valuable. Usually you want something to direct that gratitude to.

Apparently, either go hang out at the Poles, or rip open a portal to the Warp. Both have their problems though.

Now someone asked earlier if it would be possible to use a big Orb enchanted device to do the latter, and Boney replied that it's actually pretty easy to make portals, the problem is closing them reliably. Which begs the question… could we use one or multiple Orbs in an enchantment to do that closing.

Orbs make the surrounding area "less real". That sounds like it would make closing portals harder, not easier.
 
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Actually, Orb of Sorcery is smaller than Cython's head, so why not let him eat it :V He did want to eat light, and that way we don't have to give anything to the L*ght college.
"I'm sorry Professor Alric sir, but my Emporer Dragon ate my project!"
Orbs make the surrounding area "less real". That sounds like it would make closing portals harder, not easier.
That's a fair point. I just figured it was a decent follow-up to make sure.
 
Personal power, I presume. It might seem dangerous to snub the guy with a reusable pocket nuke in his hands.
I don't know, how can a tactical nuke be used as an argument?
No, I get the argument bit (although whether that's a sensible choice is up for debate). I was asking how it would make it awkward if he was only an EC. It's not like it gives him better capacity to rebel over all the stuff that just being an EC gives soemone already.

Well, unless we find a way to do this without depending on AV, I can't really say that we did.
I mean, Mathidle has definitely discovered how to manufacture Orbs of Sorcery (technically assuming this works). She's using a scarce resource, but that doesn't mean she hasn't discovered a way to manufacture them.

And then the RPG has three miscast tables, each rolled on a d100, with results ranging from "nearby milk spoils" to "a giant hand reaches down and drags you into the warp".
Which you use varies based on the number of magic dice you roll IIRC. Although I think that the highest result on the lower two tables is "roll again on the higher table".
 
Can we not start handing out magical nukes to people for no other reason than some of us liking them?
We are still reliant on a very rare resource available only from one very fragile source to making them.
Assuming the potential loyalty issues not being a worry.
 
I assume convenience and portability... But why not make a throne... And then embed an orb of Sorcery in it

This is pretty much what a Battle Altar is.

quick qn : the way we found to create new orbs of sorcery ....do we know IC how to replicate the process in a way which doesn't need the magic snek juice ?

Warp portals, a trip to the north pole, or a very large supply of daemons.

So, one question about the waystones, and I might have missed the discussion on this while skimming the thread, apologies if so: We know now that waystones work because dhar naturally wants to flow to the vortex. How then do closed loops like the Kislev Circuit work? Seems to me like the winds would need to flow up the metaphorical hill at least part of the way.

That seems to me like it would be a useful and potentially pretty important bit to investigate, unless Mathilde already got an idea of how the loops work?

No idea, and the Ice Witches don't seem inclined to share.

Now someone asked earlier if it would be possible to use a big Orb enchanted device to do the latter, and Boney replied that it's actually pretty easy to make portals, the problem is closing them reliably. Which begs the question… could we use one or multiple Orbs in an enchantment to do that closing.

Using magic to close warp rifts is counterproductive. The underlying problem is that reality got thin enough for Daemons to start poking through, and adding magic makes it even thinner. Apart from divine intervention, the only known way is to take away whatever caused the rift and then leave the area alone for a very long time.
 
An orb of sorcery as part of a project to make a super staff isn't a bad idea at all. Considering that they are probably rare even for Elves and the best Elven wizards tend to be funneled towards high magic where having eight would be super inconvenient, there's almost certainly gold at the end of this seam but it's never been practical enough for the Elves to try it.

Also yea, the idea that we're going to just gift orbs of sorcery to every character Mathilde remotely likes it kind of ridiculous.
 
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I also don't think Mathilde will have much she could do with the Orbs herself - although there was some talk of making a Tower/Battle Altar of Rite of Way, maybe an Ulgu Orb of Sorcery could make it a viable idea?
What better flex than to end your paper on Rite of Way with: "Example Battle Altar utilising Rite of Way can be found attached as appendix D"

Talk about a complete natural if she did all that accidentally.
We should introduce her to Anton then :) Since she's our pilot now, it would be actually easy.
 
No, I get the argument bit (although whether that's a sensible choice is up for debate). I was asking how it would make it awkward if he was only an EC. It's not like it gives him better capacity to rebel over all the stuff that just beign an EC gives soemone already.
Ah ok, sorry. It would be awkward because it would be a tactical nuke that isn't in the hand of the head of state. I'd argue it gives him a big boost in his combat capabilities, even against other wizards, which would be a big edge.

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there's almost certainly gold at the end of this seam but it's never been practical enough for the Elves to try it.
Not all powerful elves learn high magic. Dragon mages use only Aqshy, shadow warrior mages Ulgu and there's probably other traditions if Boney is to be believed.

On the other hand, a battle altar with 8 different Orbs would be absolutely monstrous when used by an archmage. I imagine there's many orbs incorporated into the White Tower of Hoeth, and possibly into the most important fortifications in Ulthuan like the various gates in the mountains and the ones at the Lothern Strait.
 
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And then the RPG has three miscast tables, each rolled on a d100, with results ranging from "nearby milk spoils" to "a giant hand reaches down and drags you into the warp".
I'm pretty sure the circumstances surrounding the conversation indicates that we're likely talking about Battle Magic Miscast. If you miscast with Battle Magic, you're not gonna manifest a Minor or Major Miscast, you're almost certainly rolling on the Catastrophic or Tabletop Miscasts. The amount of energy involved makes it impossible for a spell of that caliber to be a minor miscast.
 
I'm pretty sure the circumstances surrounding the conversation indicates that we're likely talking about Battle Magic Miscast. If you miscast with Battle Magic, you're not gonna manifest a Minor or Major Miscast, you're almost certainly rolling on the Catastrophic or Tabletop Miscasts. The amount of energy involved makes it impossible for a spell of that caliber to be a minor miscast.
as far as I remember, scale of mistcasts in RPG is independent of scale of the spell. It depends on number of dice used to cast (and how many of those turned doubles, triples, quadruples...). So Battle Magics can in fact result in just Minor Miscascts.
 
An orb of sorcery as part of a project to make a super staff isn't a bad idea at all. Considering that they are probably rare even for Elves and the best Elven wizards tend to be funneled towards high magic where having eight would be super inconvenient, there's almost certainly gold at the end of this seam but it's never been practical enough for the Elves to try it.

Also yea, the idea that we're going to just gift orbs of sorcery to every character Mathilde remotely likes it kind of ridiculous.
That does remind me of a thought I had. It would be hilarious if using Powerstone creation methods got us some kind of Qaysh Powerstone, or maybe just a universal Powerstone or something—affecting all magic equally, not just combined magic like Qaysh—and then… we poured more on and made it into an Orb of that.

It would probably be damned useless for us, but a hilarious flex to show off to elves.
 
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