Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Probably, they would work on Cython who is a living mass of Hysh, with any connection to Ghur severed by their ascendence to being a living mass of Hysh.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
It seems based on this Boneypost that the gilding ritual either predates the Gold Order or is so heavily grounded in what the pre-Teclisean Alchemists practiced that it might as well have been.
From the description of the option:
From a Boney post:
So we've got the theory, but we don't have a tried-and-true Ulgu method.
Akasha
The Only Truth
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- 「̛̛́́ ͏̨҉̕͏ ͏̶̴」
[X] Dragonflask
[X] Counter
[X] Attack
Counter is risky enough since it pits us against Drycha in her Wind of specialty. Bind is like getting in the same magical duel with our hands tied up. Sure, we know the theory behind it, but we literally never used it in practice, even under controlled circumstances. We haven't even used this binding the way it was designed to, like Gehenna did. How the hell are we supposed to modify it against a superior Wizard of Ulgu not only in combat conditions, but in the three or so seconds we have before she teleports?
This isn't an anime, where a character can spend three chapters charging up and their enemy can use that time to browse through hundreds of options, adapt them to the opponent and create a cunning plan-scheme that predicts the next twelve steps and manages to bind the opponent with an improvised spell. Looking at you there, Kisuke.
Essentially, the Bind write-in combines the worst of Dragonflask and Counter in return for a prize that dwarfs both. I would be willing to risk it with an average apparition, but someone like Drycha? No way. Killing her and researching her body will have to do. Don't get greedy here, guys. At worst, we'll already have a field day with her body. We don't need research material so badly that we should risk everything like this.
[X] Counter
[X] Attack
Counter is risky enough since it pits us against Drycha in her Wind of specialty. Bind is like getting in the same magical duel with our hands tied up. Sure, we know the theory behind it, but we literally never used it in practice, even under controlled circumstances. We haven't even used this binding the way it was designed to, like Gehenna did. How the hell are we supposed to modify it against a superior Wizard of Ulgu not only in combat conditions, but in the three or so seconds we have before she teleports?
This isn't an anime, where a character can spend three chapters charging up and their enemy can use that time to browse through hundreds of options, adapt them to the opponent and create a cunning plan-scheme that predicts the next twelve steps and manages to bind the opponent with an improvised spell. Looking at you there, Kisuke.
Essentially, the Bind write-in combines the worst of Dragonflask and Counter in return for a prize that dwarfs both. I would be willing to risk it with an average apparition, but someone like Drycha? No way. Killing her and researching her body will have to do. Don't get greedy here, guys. At worst, we'll already have a field day with her body. We don't need research material so badly that we should risk everything like this.
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The closest comparison to what bind is among our other options is that mist spell;
- We have seen the Dhar/vampire version of it in Silvania, we even wrote a paper on it
- By the nature of the thing you either manage in on the first go or die (by failing to turn back into flesh and blood)
fictionfan
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- Tempe, AZ
Which means that we are likely never going to use our guns again considering we can teleport into melee.
We might use them in cases where we want to pick out a relatively weak enemy in the midst of a company of dangerous guards, or when we do not want to advertise that we are a grey wizard, lots of people have guns after all the the runes are simple and not showy
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- Utrecht
Nah. Having a ranged attack that can't be counter-spelled is useful.
Also, image wise, people are less likely to get antsy if we shoot someone than if we use shadow knives at them.
Teleporting swording is even more alarming than shadow knives.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
There's a value in just being able to choose not to get close somebody while fighting them. What if someone has, I don't know, acidic blood, or has something to do with Nurgle so just getting close to them is a disease roll.
We shot the demonette that was guarding the chaos goblet—Mathlide didn't trust herself to use magic, or want to any closer to it, so she shot it and it worked—and that was before we got runes on them.
The pistols still have value.
The pistols still have value.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Considering all our arcane marks I think that any image besides wizard is a lost cause.
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- Australia
I mean, they work on Albion Truthsayers if I remember right, so probably.
King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Illusions are a powerful drug.
pretty easy to frame someone if we take on their appearance and use a gun.
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- Utrecht
We're nowhere near as unsubtle as Johann.
And it's not about appearing to be anything other than a wizard. It's about not unnecessarily freaking people out.
Think of how Mathilde made a gesture to dismiss the shadow horse when she was showing Eike around. It's good PR for wizards.
[X] Dragonflask
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- She/Her
Mathilde didn't want to get close to the Daemonette who was illusioning themself up to look like Panoramia because she wasn't sure she wanted to get close for the kill, and casting a spell would have been a bad idea considering the... distraction factor. And the Daemonette likely being a caster.
That Daemonette actually had one of the highest roll bonuses in the quest. +50 intrigue while being taken by surprise. Mathilde was pretty lucky even with her bonuses that the difference was that big.
That Daemonette actually had one of the highest roll bonuses in the quest. +50 intrigue while being taken by surprise. Mathilde was pretty lucky even with her bonuses that the difference was that big.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Yeah, going off of Andres' post, the list of boundable 'beasts' in Storm of Magic includes Exalted Greater Daemons, Chaos Spawn, Dark Emissaries, Fenbeasts, Fimir, and Truthsayers.
Wait... Greater Daemons, Exalted Greater Daemons?
How would they even work? They are part of a Chaos God, an important part of a Chaos God. Being able to bind Daemons of the Dark Gods safely, even if it is just for simple things like 'stop trying to eat the soldiers and wait here to be shot in the face with canon' would be a holy grail of binding magic...
On the other hand we might be in another Flight School situation where no one understands how they hell they work since as far as I can recall Kadon was human. If it were not also opposed to our ethos (what with the Ranald worship) I would vote to look into them (especially if we could pay in CF). Alas I do not think we are in the position to fully exploit that.
Instead I propose we look into a more cooperative way to make use of non-chaos warp spirits. If we can get the Hags or even just the Hedgewise involved in Web-Mat... well that would be a hell of a coup. We could not show it off too much in the empire, but as long as our College knows it is all above board I think we can get quite a lot out of it.
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- He/Him
I fail to see how capturing a prisoner of war, and going to the grey lords to produce a permanent holding cell is equivalent to taking someone who has done you or your polity no wrong and enslaving them.
- Location
- Australia
WFRP 4e: Monuments of the Reikland says he was the first person to get kicked out of a gambling house in every province of the Empire, so might've even been part of the Colleges.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
Kadon that made the Scrolls of Binding definitely existed long before the Colleges were founded.
There is definitely at least 2 different Kadons- the one that founded Mourkhain and was killed by Ushoran, and the one that made the Scrolls of Binding.
That 2nd Kadon may-or-may not be the same Kadon that the Transformation of Kadon is named for.
There might be other Kadons too, hell if I know, name seems pretty popular. Pretty sure Boney said that there's a Kadon that was an Amber Supreme Patriarch.
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- Australia
What makes it definite?