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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Changing my vote.
Changing my vote.
That's roleplaying paranoia. If the dice says she died, she died, even if the attack obliterated her physical remains.
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I had to read this several times to wrap my head around what you're saying. Uh. First of, Dragon Man is Dragomas, not Algard who is the Grey Patriarch. Second, Cathay's "Waystones" are Astral Observatory towers that feed energy to a gigantic Wu Xing Compass in Wei Jin which the Dragon Emperor uses to direct the Winds across the nation. There are several smaller miniature Wu Xing Compasses carried around by Astromancers which contain a shard of the great compass's power and can manipulate the Winds in battle, it's their equivalent of the Battle Altar.
I have no comments to add on dragon worshipping elves or mating habits. The humans of Cathay worship Dragons I guess.
I mean sure, but even daemons take years to reform and she is not a daemon, she is bound to the material world, specifically she is bound to a cage the Asrai made for her. It's not like we have any guarantee that a decapitation by sword or freezing by the Ice Witches will kill her anymore dead. Short of Bind (which has been noted to be unwise for many reasons) we have no way to capture Drycha.
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Drycha is not inside the Wildwood. Coeddil is. Drycha is completely free to move around uninhibited. The Asrai never captured her.
Daemons can take a while before they can be resummoned if banished in the right way, but I'm not sure if just blasting something they've possessed does it.
And being bound to the material world may make it easier for her to come back. She's not a daemon native to the Aethyr, she's like an Apparition, native to the world itself.
As far as capturing her goes, you're probably right, unless the Ive Witches know of a way to put her on ice. It's a shame we didn't get the time stop Mastery of Mockery of Death.
Yes and no. There were various spells that allowed grunts to be able to outfight bloodthirsters on an even footing. In my experience, by meshing the lores of light and shadow allowed a unit of halberdiers to casually obliterate entire units of otherwise unbeatable opponents with little difficulty. It was all a matter of how you decided to stack the deck in your favour.
In almost every edition of warhammer, wizards were such a force multiplier it just wasn't fair. I never saw the point in using special characters at all, since unnamed wizard #42 and #76 along with the 274th spearman regiment and their attached auxiliaries could overcome just about anything short of an entire punitive expedition.
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Since I have serious doubt bind is ever going to win or even work, can I get a brief answer to a hypothetical about it?
In the alternate timeline where Mathilde successfully, completely, and safely succeeded in binding Drycha, what does her place on the world stage look like? Is she a legendary world-renowned figure? Is she auto-winning the title of Supreme Matriarch of the Colleges? Does she achieve nascent demi-god status? Is she shaking hands and exchanging fist bumps with the likes of Teclis?
Since I have serious doubt bind is ever going to win or even work, can I get a brief answer to a hypothetical about it?
In the alternate timeline where Mathilde successfully, completely, and safely succeeded in binding Drycha, what does her place on the world stage look like? Is she a legendary world-renowned figure? Is she auto-winning the title of Supreme Matriarch of the Colleges? Does she achieve nascent demi-god status? Is she shaking hands and exchanging fist bumps with the likes of Teclis?
Mentioned dragon land since stupid stunts were mentioned, packing your bags and camping in the land of dragons is the stupidest one I could think of.
We went to the outskirts of Kislev from the heart of Laurelorn, did not know it was in Cathay. Waystone to connect WEB-MAT to DragonLand, Elf since apparently they're everywhere, mating ball is from a snake video dragons -> lizards -> snakes
Did not know it was over there, interesting that it's in Cathay though. Cathay is inspired by China right, why there?
Technically that's all options, even binding. All of them have a risk of failing and her coming back
Sorry, the statements after the first one was shooting in the dark for circumstances where Mathilde would visit Dragon Land. Wasn't meant to be taken that seriously.
Wei Jin is a shameless name for a fantasy world, does the guy at least characterize whatever his name means in Mandarin?
Mopman43
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I legitimately have no idea what you're trying to say, here.
This feels like a "Try it and find out".
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I'm not sure what you mean, but they do have Mandarin names. Dragon Emperor's name is Xen Yang, which can be roughly translated to Divine Sun. His wife Quai Yin's name can be translated to Osmanthus Moon or Shadow of the Laurel. There are names like that for all the Dragons and beyond.
Man I am two for two on being incoherent.
I wrote this then was replied to with this.
By unpack I understood that as being confused to why I wrote the sentences after the first one.
I explained each one here:
Fighting in Kislev while at the same time having HQ at Laurelorn, they aren't close to each other but they both contribute to the project.
Elves are everywhere, I remember reading that from somewhere.
Two degrees of seperation isn't that far-fetched.
They made Dragon Emperors literal dragons? Dragon Emperors are a thing at least in media so I thought they were human.
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Did Kattarin spread the gift/curse of vampirism around at all? Vlad von Carstein seems to have infected a majority of his noble vassals in relatively little time. And the Tsarevich Pavel society seems to have been based in the fear of a whole bunch of noble heirs worrying that they would never inherit. That makes me think that she was at least starting to curate an inner circle of Vampire nobility. The wiki only says that the Boyars cared "that having an immortal ruling them meant nobody else would ever rise to the top, and they would be reduced to squabbling amongst themselves for greater shares of power", which could be interpreted as pertaining only to Kattarin herself. But that doesn't make much sense to me since the vast majority of Boyars never get the chance to take her place on the throne and "squabbling amongst themselves for greater shares of power" is the exact state they are always in, whether the Tzar is a title handed down along a line of family members or held by a single person in perpetuity.
Now I imagine a conspiracy of "young noble scions", many of them 60+ years old, all massacring their own parents in their shared family homes within a couple of days before any of them could communicate with each other and be on guard from their own kids. And that then becomes the new ruling class, with all the trauma and self-justification that it implies.
Also, I haven't been following the thread in a long while (I'm digging through Boney-posts in reverse order right now), but I assume the fact that Kalashinivik is apparently literally the name of the Lhamian Bloodline branch founded by Kattarin has already been mentioned? (Spoilers for current mysteries)
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So, in the interest of pushing against Binding, or pushing for it, I'm honestly not sure, lets examine the worst case scenario.
One of them I mean.
Drycha get a temporary soul meld with Mathilde and them manage to escape, after sharing Mathilde soul for a while and using her Ulgu superiority to do to her what the thread plan for Drycha, aka stealing knowledge.
Now, a leak in the Grey Order operations procedure and secrets at the Lord level is bad enough, add to that that the Drycha is an ulgu wizard and assuming she can take proper stock of the information(not certain considering her... limited worldview we saw) gives us a major threat to the Grey Order.
But wait, Mathilde secrets are not only those of the grey order, why, she got a nice ominous little reading material that no one else(living) know about. No, not the smut.
Mathilde even did the preliminary steps on how one might do basic necromancy with Ulgu, with her Ulgu tongs idea, a shame she abandoned the idea due to Dhar usage, but surely any other reasonable person would agree that it is best not used if it create Dhar, right?
So that leaves us with a Drycha with intimate knowledge about the Grey Order and knowedege about how to do necromancy with Ulgu...
Eshin ulgu sorcery, step aside. We got a new headache for the Grey College.
[please don't] Bind
A vote for Bind is a vote for undead tree wizards spy organization, and wouldn't that just be the most marvelous thing.
One of them I mean.
Drycha get a temporary soul meld with Mathilde and them manage to escape, after sharing Mathilde soul for a while and using her Ulgu superiority to do to her what the thread plan for Drycha, aka stealing knowledge.
Now, a leak in the Grey Order operations procedure and secrets at the Lord level is bad enough, add to that that the Drycha is an ulgu wizard and assuming she can take proper stock of the information(not certain considering her... limited worldview we saw) gives us a major threat to the Grey Order.
But wait, Mathilde secrets are not only those of the grey order, why, she got a nice ominous little reading material that no one else(living) know about. No, not the smut.
Mathilde even did the preliminary steps on how one might do basic necromancy with Ulgu, with her Ulgu tongs idea, a shame she abandoned the idea due to Dhar usage, but surely any other reasonable person would agree that it is best not used if it create Dhar, right?
So that leaves us with a Drycha with intimate knowledge about the Grey Order and knowedege about how to do necromancy with Ulgu...
Eshin ulgu sorcery, step aside. We got a new headache for the Grey College.
[please don't] Bind
A vote for Bind is a vote for undead tree wizards spy organization, and wouldn't that just be the most marvelous thing.
While Total war feels like it added a lot to Cathay, it is ultimately still very surface level, nothing far past what things look like and a blurb, if even given a blurb, before moving on to the next thing.
And only for two and a half provinces.
So while there is enough for a quest arc that 'looks' like Cathay as it is right now, anything that looks at the characters, people and culture in-depth will fall apart fast once more stuff comes out. I don't think Boney would want to write something superficial enough to survive the next wave of lore.
If we ever get the chance at Cathay stuff, it will be
A) very limited to control how much Boney has to make up lore that can be made very wrong in The near future e.g a travelling scholar to the Library or a caravan group or even a place like pig barter that's a mix of people and places.
B) the Old world Cathay army book or the Wfrp supplement comes out.
Of course I could be wrong and they already planning out a future event with an army marching down the Silk Road with an angry Iron Dragon at its head who want to 'talk' with the dwarfs messing with his silk trade right now.
And only for two and a half provinces.
So while there is enough for a quest arc that 'looks' like Cathay as it is right now, anything that looks at the characters, people and culture in-depth will fall apart fast once more stuff comes out. I don't think Boney would want to write something superficial enough to survive the next wave of lore.
If we ever get the chance at Cathay stuff, it will be
A) very limited to control how much Boney has to make up lore that can be made very wrong in The near future e.g a travelling scholar to the Library or a caravan group or even a place like pig barter that's a mix of people and places.
B) the Old world Cathay army book or the Wfrp supplement comes out.
Of course I could be wrong and they already planning out a future event with an army marching down the Silk Road with an angry Iron Dragon at its head who want to 'talk' with the dwarfs messing with his silk trade right now.
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Mopman43
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One Dragon Emperor, who has been ruling Cathay for as long as Cathay has existed.
He's also got kids who administrate the provinces of Cathay. And those kids had kids with humans that formed a class of dragon-blooded sorcerers.
Yes, it has been mentioned and Drycha's mention that her target has the royal blood of the southern sands likely refers to Boyar Kalashinivik having Nehekhara blood.]
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When it comes to worst case scenarios you missed the part where Drycha can poison Mathilde's soul with Dhar, or even outright rip it out and keep it, bypassing the Belt because it was Mathilde's magic that attached her directly to her soul and the Belt a) doesn't protect from deliberate self-"buffs" and b) Drycha is now closer to Mathilde's soul than the Belt, that still interfaces with her meat-body and only through it protects her soul.
King Arthur
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I've seen it said by I think one of the official Warhammer writers that the rulers of Cathay are essentially deities, and you don't play as them for the same reason you don't play as Nurgle or Sigmar. They've been around since day 1. The Dragon Emperor is a single, immortal Dragon. His wife is a Moon Goddess.
Their kids are demigods.
Their kids are demigods.
Honestly I think that even a crit success for Bind would be dreadful, or at the very least really complicated. Think about it what is the process of binding as we understand it? Grafting souls on to the soul of the wizard, all well and good so far, but what happens when you graft on a soul that is larger and more filled with knowledge than your own? I do not know if anyone here read (or still recalls the Dresden Files) but taking from what I think the best we can hope from this is some kind of Fallen situation, you know a literal devil on Mathilde's shoulder, offering power and understanding in exchange for a little more power, a little more understanding.
I do not know about you guys but I did not vote to pioneer Orc corruption and I do not want Drycha corruption either.
I do not know about you guys but I did not vote to pioneer Orc corruption and I do not want Drycha corruption either.
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The Roppsmen have a fairly convoluted history, but they originally came over from the Empire. After the Norsii tribe refused to join Sigmar's Empire and, fearing that the Teutogens would use it as an excuse to come around and subjugate them, left what would become Nordland, the Roppsmen were brought in to settle the place. Then the Norsii returned as the first Norscans and brimming with Chaos blessings, and subjugated the Roppsmenn, using them as cannon fodder while pillaging the Udoses of Ostland and killing their king, who was one of Sigmar's closest friends. After that, the Norscans left them as garrisons to squeeze tribute out of the Udoses.
Suffice it to say, hammerman was rather upset by all this, and proceeded to very nearly wipe out the Roppsmen in their entirety while driving the Norscans out, with the last few survivors getting on the boats with the Norscans and being blown off-course to Troll Country.
EDIT: They used to have a kingdom of their own in Troll Country, with mostly amiable relations with the neighbouring Ungols who controlled Kislev at the time. When the Gospodars arrived and took over Kislev, the Ungols got pushed outwards, leading to them and the Roppsmen warring over Troll Country, with the Roppsmen eventually losing and being reduced to a handful of disparate villages, with most of the rest being absorbed into the Ungol population.
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