This one specifically would be fine.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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This one specifically would be fine.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Next turn ideally I'd do the following
Coin study (Coin boosted)
Power stone class
AV power stone creation subject
AV enchanting.
Coin study (Coin boosted)
Power stone class
AV power stone creation subject
AV enchanting.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
How so? It's either this or trying to use it in Enchanting, and people are excited about the possibility of AV powerstones.
Unless you're arguing that we should spread this out over two turns, in which case I emphatically disagree on the grounds that the real problem people are having is that it's taking so long.
And this seems like an easy way to take an action we usually use on "self-improvement" and make it pull double duty as both learning a new skill and also advancing our AV studies?
I'd be down for this!
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Throw in the bank record saving actions and It'll have my vote.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
I'm actually against that action, it was player proposed and it's likely to cause problems in the future, it's also explicitly something we'd be doing with out telling Belegar iirc because belegar wants all that stuff melted down explicitly so there's no records of it any where else and no one can try and claim it as otherwise by custom he'd have to accept the gold just sitting there not doing anything which he doesn't want to do.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
What exactly were we expecting to get out of that, anyways, beyond just a neat thing to do and a cool coin collection? Because it kinda seems like a waste otherwise.
The real reason Mathilde decided on a device that can turn a human into a dragon for her 'anti-dragon' plan.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The idea behind the action is relatively noble, to preserve history and keep a record of the past. Unfortunately it will create problems in the future. Belegar wants to melt the coins down to sever the golds historical connection to the past so that he can make use of it to fund K8P and his reconstruction. As otherwise all the gold probably has some form of modern claimant that under dwarf law could be said to have some right to it.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Ancient records are both rare and irreplaceable.
Trying to preserve some of it on the off chance that some future generation finds it useful is well worth it.
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
I would like to append the coin +20 bonus to at least one more of those, so... I'm honestly glad that we are unlikely to have our priority list clear to the point of doing that.
iirc is insufficient for this for me. Source please. I'm not willing to deceive/lie to Belegar about this and something that changes my postion from "would like to do" to "am opposed" should be based on solid reality, not a stranger's memory.
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Asheram
Not quite altogether
- Location
- Δ Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground
While the first statement might be true, there might be enough power for them now when VAU reconnected. If Thorgrim would stop being so obstinate then we might know for sure.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Remember that next turn Overwork comes off cooldown and we have five actions to play with if we so choose.
That being said, we don't know what our task next turn will be, and we should probably not get too attached to prospective turn outlines before we know it, or for that matter know how the experimentation with runes goes. I refer you all to the quote in my signature.
That being said, we don't know what our task next turn will be, and we should probably not get too attached to prospective turn outlines before we know it, or for that matter know how the experimentation with runes goes. I refer you all to the quote in my signature.
@BoneyM, is this true? Would Mathilde be going behind his back to take that action? Or is it something we'd clear with him first?
Because AV powerstones are expensive paperweights that don't actually do anything for us that we can't do already. Burning two more actions on accomplishing exactly nothing is annoying. We can research AV stones when we have developed a skill that actually needs us to have them.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Strictly speaking that's not entirely true, an AV powerstone may enable a new kind of runic enchanting. Every wind of magic has it's own runic enchanting system under the human paradigm. AV powerstones should such a thing exist may point to a unifying method for all of them or a new script that Mathilde could trial and error into existence to perform enchantments that go beyond what can be done with any one wind and are drastically longer lasting.
Yea I can't recall where I read it or when I started having that understanding but it's entirely a play proposed action and flies in the face of the goals that Belegar has with melting it down and waiting for the other dwarves from the Everpeak leaving to do, maybe i'm recalling incorrectly but it's been like a thousand pages I'm sure since this came up so good luck finding stuff through the search tool. :/
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
I'm just sort of confused by the idea that we can even make 'AV powerstones'. By all accounts it's a physical liquid that turns into an equal proportion of each wind when subjected to pressure; subjecting it to pressure will just... turn it into seven winds we can't use, and some otherwise normal crystal mist.
No, he'd just require that it be properly obscured or kept secret for a while. Denying the preservation of manling history when there's a manling right there willing to do the legwork to preserve it would be a pretty major dick move.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
They're priceless historical artefacts that ought to be in a museum!
...Except we're a Grey Wizard, and the Greys are bastions of pragmatism. It's really not worth ruffling feathers over given that it won't have any practical value. If Mundus wasn't a deathworld and we didn't have a hundred other priorities, maybe.
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In this case, I still don't think it's a priority, but it's more on the level of "I consider this to be a waste of an action" rather than "this is a net negative to be opposed at some costs".
You don't know what AV powerstones would be capable of given that we don't even know if they can exist yet. Though if they are what we're sort of expecting/hoping for, they're probably extremely valuable to the High Elves, with whom we could probably trade for some very shiny shinies.
Given the amount of discussion the prospect of AV Powerstones has generated, I'm fairly confident that the people who would be annoyed by this are comprised of a very small group, relatively speaking.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
- Location
- Earth
I disagree with your understanding of Qhaysh then. I suppose we'll see which is right eventually.
- Location
- Utrecht
This makes sense, except AV might actually Qhyash in physical form. 8 winds existing together and not forming Dhar... but not actually doing anything "magical"
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Are you saying that it is impossible on principle or that it would require a mad Chamon wizard to do never before done science and develop rituals that, while similar, are still sufficiently different from traditional gilding as to required being developed from scratch?
Because in a Chamon-based worldview it stands to reason that two completely perfected human beings are interchangable and intercompatible, no?
I'm in.
It doesn't advance our power level, our duties, or our plans, but it is something that should be done on principle. Ideally someone else would do it, but there is no one else. And the clock is ticking. 2.5 more years iirc.
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
Honestly, not remembering and not being able to find it is entirely reasonable, but that means that unless BoneyM clarifies (he's been asked a few posts back) I'm going to disregard your memory on this. For me it seems reasonable for Mathilde to lay down her reasons for wanting to preserve some of these and going "I'm a Grey Wizard, I can release these in secret"
Hmmm. I wonder if we can just use the Grey College apparatus to have someone "find" a really old coin collection, of if Belegar would want it more under wraps than that.
I think that a bit of conflict between Belegar's and Mathilde's desires here is fine. It's pretty normal; people have different values after all.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
No, I think. You can degenerate to a mean, I guess, but one standard of perfection will optimize for something totally different than another, and both are valid. It's about being your best self, not just having the best body; Chamon cares about the intent and function of its subjects as much as their physical form (which is why Enchant can make a circlet that makes you wiser or more persuasive, even though it's just a hoop of metal in a material sense).
In the same sense, the eyes of a scholar will have an entirely different perfect state than those of a watchman, or a judge, or an archer. The legs of a long distance runner versus those of a sprinter, the arms of a weight lifter versus those of a soldier versus those of a chef, the lungs of a diver versus those of a singer or a herald or a player of flutes, they're all going to be different.
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I'd prefer to do Wind based runes and AV enchanting the next turn, as they could be really helpful, but we just don't know.
In a theoretical purely Chamon worldview, perhaps. In a Gold Order worldview, no. The Gold Order is a continuation of over a thousand years of alchemical tradition, and trying to build an alternate ritual that works that way would basically require starting from scratch because none of the existing teachings of the Gold Order could be used.
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- He/Him
Wind based runes?