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Alot of people in the thread really like investigating AV/divine magic and think they have lots of potential. I agree with you, but that's democracy for you.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Alot of people in the thread really like investigating AV/divine magic and think they have lots of potential. I agree with you, but that's democracy for you.
The base assumption for anything you see should be a lack of sentience. One does not walk around needing to prove that rocks are not sentient, or that Belegar's lucky pants are not alive and plotting to overthrow him.
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Maybe you should question if the rock is sentient when it thrashes in your grip if you try to grip it too tight.
That is proof of animation not will. There are plants that move and 'hunt' that does not make them sentient and if the people who first discovered that would have just assumed that they would have made a rather significant leap of logic.
I admit, I'm also rather disappointed that "create a Shadow EIC HQ" is getting such little play.
Yeah, sure, sending spies to Tabecland might produce something... but it's hardly urgent or anything. Not a pressing need. This seems like a decent turn to finally do the Shadow HQ thing when there's no other hot issue on the table for an EIC action. If not now, when? Do people just not want to do it ever?
Yeah, sure, sending spies to Tabecland might produce something... but it's hardly urgent or anything. Not a pressing need. This seems like a decent turn to finally do the Shadow HQ thing when there's no other hot issue on the table for an EIC action. If not now, when? Do people just not want to do it ever?
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I just don't see the appeal or usefulness, so if we never do it I won't be bothered.
Edit: and why « finally »? It's the first time I hear about it.
Also, if you want people to vote for it, give arguments for it😉
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People want to investigate Alric, but are somehow convinced that he might kill the Hochlander if we send him to investigate, so they're being roundabout. He's not actually a Black Magister guys, he's explicitly trying to get back into the Colleges' good graces!
Also switching my vote. But I remind you all that we have seen Mathilde actively meddle with the internal workings of a Waystone with a memorised-but-not-understood Ritual before!
[x] Plan Redshirt v2
[x] Plan: Slow and Steady Research with Double Recruitment
Write in something to the effect of [ ] Scout out possible trade deals with House Mardil
She's doing research, rather than building something specific. The payment for self-improvement is to be improved. Karak Eight Peaks would be considered a silent partner in the project as Belegar is lending authority and resources to it, so it would be expected that any benefit that results from this would be shared with him and Karak Eight Peaks.
It gives the Hochlander an out-of-the-way base of operations to do the sorts of things that require a base of operations. Large-scale information-gathering, recruitment, training, that sort of thing.
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In a world with disembodied sapient beings, making snap judgements on wether something is or is not sapient gets lot trickier.
Especially when many of those beings may exist on a level or scale very different from yours.
And comparing Winds of Magic, mystical things we (in or out of character) do not really understand, to rocks or pants (especially in a setting where i am fairly some some rocks might actually be sapient), is somewhat disingenuous.
Also, starting assumpion of lack of sentience would be a terrible strategy for potential first contact scenarios.
Boney just answered on the usefulness:
I gave an argument for every option in my plan, but I am happy to repeat:
1. This will have the benefits above of making intelligence gathering more effective when we actually do need to inquire about something specific.
2. FROM A META LEVEL, people seem really interested in our Fief! Every social turn the option to visit there again gets a fair number of votes. Well, this would turn the fief into a more interesting place that would have reason to pop up in the narrative more often. The joke-not-joke I made (and there was some extensive discussion about this months back) was that it can turn the fief into a "ninja village" where the primary economic activity is training low level spies for households and stuff. A genuine "ninja village" in the espionage sense rather than the "fighty punch-wizards" sense.
Ninja village, everybody. Ninja village!
It's not a snap judgement, it is a base assumption, which broadly speaking should always be negative no matter that you are checking for. Personally I would rather let the alien in a first contact scenario give some indication that they are sentient rather than assuming that both they and their sandwich are sentient.
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Personally I don't care about either of those things, but that's just my taste😌😉
I think that people prefer to know what Aldric is up to and fast, so if he's doing something that will blow in our face we can mitigate the damages.
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Or you could start out recognicing that you do not know if something is or is not sentient, and gathe information before coming to a conclusion.
That seems like poor research etiquette to me and the kind of thing that ends up wasting a lot of your time.
If "people" wanted to know what Alric was up to, they would investigate Alric. We are not investigating Alric.
Personally I don't give a shit what Alric is up to. That is Egrimm's obsession, not Mathilde's obsession.
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REcogniing that you don't know and not making a statement before you have reason to assume you do is poor research etiquette?
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On my part I don't think that the Hochlander will be killed. What I am concerned with is the political repercussions if we are found to be actively and deliberately investigating the Patriach of another order. Combined with the political situation within the light order and our recent employment of Egrimm it might look like we are trying to manipulate the light college for our own ends. The idea as I understand it is to set up an investigation that would conveniently 'trip' over Alric without any of the political risks involved. Of course such a cautious method does come with less direct information on Alric even possibly nothing, but considering that Alric is not a Black Magister or similar I believe the lessened reward is well worth the lesser risk. Or put in another way investigating Alric is not important enough to risk the potential political fallout.
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From what I understood (but I could be wrong), people in the thread are afraid that Algard would notice if we investigate him directly, so they choose to investigate the province where we don't know what he did.
That's your right. But I want to know what he's doing, so if he ends up causing trouble in his quest to be relevant again we will be ready. Also, if he gets to be MP again he will probably try to steal Egrimm, and I want to be forewarned if it's the case.
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Refusing to make basic assumptions about the world about you and needing to prove specific negatives about it rather than look for specific positive qualities is poor research etiquette. When a researcher finds a new sort of fish they don't start off by having to prove that it is not a highly advanced nuclear powered simulacrum made by the mole people. Any proponents of that theory would have to come up with proofs that it is that.
Recognizing that not all things are equally probable is a rather important part of studying anything.
Well, you know what plans to vote for then.
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[X] Plan: Slow and Steady Research with Double Recruitment
[X] Plan: Slow, Steady And Divinely Empowered Wins The Race
[X] Plan: Slow, Steady And Divinely Empowered Wins The Race
That clarifies the situation a bit.
The thing that throws me off is a bit that K8P doesn't pay Mathilde nor does it seem to be lending resources (either money for research facilities or by placing qualified personnel at Mathilde's disposal) which raises the question of what the K8P backing is? (The answer might admittedly be below the visible level of abstraction - it isn't like K8P is that rich of a hold)
In terms of the vote:
[X] Plan: Slow and Steady Research with Double Recruitment
Not sure if the EIC action is the best but everything else is sufficiently satisfying.