RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

FunkyEntropy said:

I was hoping to get it in the format like what we've had with other Runelords. Also Yorri prods aren't straight up trades, they (usually?) give progress on research.

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Progress on research is something that can come from Rune Trades.

I doubt it will ever happen simply because of the power imbalance.

Red Bovine said:

Gonna be real honest. Really, and I mean extremely, tempted to vote for finishing Snorri's set over everything else. Because it's pretty depressing to see players min maxing leading to people to always vote to use one of a kind materials on ourselves despite the fact that we have consistently voted to put the hold and people ourselves and yet at the end of the day will vote to give themselves the best gear we will likely ever make rather than use it with the intent as a gift to someone who would genuinely get far more use out of it.

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We used the Greedy One's Heart on ourselves, did we not? My objection to the Brain purely lies in the fact that we have not researched it.

I have no intention to use a Tier 5 reagent for favor farming, which is basically what gifting it out results in. And we can use whatever we'll end up crafting just fine.

It does mean that we're back to not making the gronti until movement which is a bit unfortunate.

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

I'm fine with either the cape or the Gronti.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.

MrHobbit said:

Progress on research is something that can come from Rune Trades.

I doubt it will ever happen simply because of the power imbalance.


We used the Greedy One's Heart on ourselves, did we not? My objection to the Brain purely lies in the fact that we have not researched it.

I have no intention to use a Tier 5 reagent for favor farming, which is basically what gifting it out results in. And we can use whatever we'll end up crafting just fine.

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We can use any T5 we get next time for our retainers equipment a T5 might boost out retainers to legendary since nce I think thats the highest tier they can get although if we equip them with nothing but T5 i wouldnt be suprised if they can reach mythical.

BungieONI said:

A regular rune is way less demanding in its reagent requirements, and tweaking a bit how the Rune of Lightning in a base state interacts with the wind generated with the Master Rune of Grungni is basically the point, along with how it changes the rune itself.

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Thanks for explaining. Is the benefit of using the Brain of Kholek critical to your design of the cloak? I ask because, it is a T5 Material of which there are a few, but also because I have a concern that using the Brain of an evil being that might have been corrupted without doing research into it may have unintended drawbacks. Or, not be that effective.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Cothique's Magical Traditions
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)
[X] [Specialty:] Talismanic Runes > Talismanic Runes (Exceptional+)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

MysteryCPU said:

Thanks for explaining. Is the benefit of using the Brain of Kholek critical to your design of the cloak? I ask because, it is a T5 Material of which there are a few, but also because I have a concern that using the Brain of an evil being that might have been corrupted without doing research into it may have unintended drawbacks. Or, not be that effective.

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The evil and will have left the material, so it is now simply the brain matter, as specified in its description. Soul seems pretty adverse to Gotcha's like that. And yes, it is pretty critical to the cloak's design.

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.

[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

EdinoiZ said:

I'd almost call it… electrifying!

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Are you Thunderstruck?
I'm interested to learn what the difference is between a Mastered and a Savant Specialty.

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- [x] Render Aid: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Gain reputation and +2 bonus per action to Recruitment Dice. You formed these Hearthguard to combat all the ills that befall the dwarfen people. Send them out, render aid, earn goodwill and spread the word of your retainers and their stated mission beyond the borders of Kraka Drakk.
-- [x] The Throng is Mustered: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Can be taken multiple times. Gain Bonus to Throng Rolls against Fimir, additional actions apply bonus to roll. Chance for Casualties/Fatalities. The King of Kraka Drakk calls the Throng to war, lend the might of your Retainers to his cause. You have no real clue as to how developed the Fimir presence is, but given the corpse Rudil dragged back you have a feeling they've been here a while. 1 Retainer Action.
-- [x] Scouting: [Cost: 1 retainer action] Gain minor bonus to Waystone rolls. Can be taken multiple times. Roll for usefulness, additional actions apply bonus to roll. 1 Retainer Action.
-- [x] Waywarding: [Cost: 1 action or retainer action] Gain bonus to Waystone rolls and update on status of Waystones. Can be taken multiple times. 1 Retainer Action.
- [x] [Difficult] Write In, Skarrenbakraz, Banner-Cloak Pt. 1: [Cost: 1 action] If a rune you want requires special ingredients that you don't have access to I will alert you. Apply optional Rune Ingredients here. A deep black-grey length of supple and iron tough Dragon Ogre Shaggoth hide, treated to get rid of that abominable static, and dyed a deep and familiar red like a sunset forms the basis for this long hooded cloak. The hide descends from three larger plates of Adamant, designed to fit to the back of a Dwarfen gorget and shoulder pauldrons so keenly their edges seem to blend together into a beautiful whole, and about its edges are donated Brana feathers that compliment the colors. Upon the plates are carved the stormy sky of the King of the Sky's domain and nestled within those glowering anvil clouds are three great Runes, with the Master Rune of Grungni taking pride of place on the middle plate. Atop the hide of the cloak and woven into it are Adamant scales the size of a thumb with various gems of Kraka Drakk as highlights, a testament to the workman's craftsmanship and sheer strength. Upon these scales are carved images of the people of Kraka Drakk, and as the cloak moves they seem to move as well as they go about their lives, and a trick of keen carving makes the cloak shimmer like it is sparking with lightning that highlights these dwarfs. 1 action pt 1, 3 Actions pt 2, Use Barak Azamar, Zharrgal, and the Anvil of the Earth.
-- [x] Choose: Master Rune of Grungni (Oathgold), Rune of Lightning (Kholek's Brain), Rune of Fury (Sky King's Crest Feather)
- [x] ORDER: White Lion corpse
[x] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[x] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[x] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

MrHobbit said:

We used the Greedy One's Heart on ourselves, did we not? My objection to the Brain purely lies in the fact that we have not researched it.

I have no intention to use a Tier 5 reagent for favor farming, which is basically what gifting it out results in. And we can use whatever we'll end up crafting just fine.

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And many people people were against using the Heart because people kept pointing that realistically the vast majority of items we make for personal use would be gathering dust the vast majority of time. Because again, we are literally playing a researcher and crafter whose main things are research and crafting. It's fine to use extremely rare items for those since they are as best as they can be without being one of a kind since we wouldn't be using one of a kind items for something that wouldn't be seeing much use compared to someone who would actually be using it constantly while being the best person to wield them.

Example being that if we end up making a T5 to get the most use out of it it would just make sense to give to say the best warrior around.

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BungieONI said:

The evil and will have left the material, so it is now simply the brain matter, as specified in its description. Soul seems pretty adverse to Gotcha's like that. And yes, it is pretty critical to the cloak's design.

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Adding to this, you could apply this same concern to the Greedy One's Heart and that turned out to be a smashing success. I don't recall being a part of that discussion but I wouldn't be surprised if that arguement did occur. Given that soulcake has gone out of their way to tell us that stuff isn't a monkey's paw (such as letting the King of the Skies eat Kholek's heart), I think this is just more of the same. Reagents won't screw you over unless you goof and use the wrong one.

FunkyEntropy said:

Adding to this, you could apply this same concern to the Greedy One's Heart and that turned out to be a smashing success. I don't recall being a part of that discussion but I wouldn't be surprised if that arguement did occur. Given that soulcake has gone out of their way to tell us that stuff isn't a monkey's paw (such as letting the King of the Skies eat Kholek's heart), I think this is just more of the same. Reagents won't screw you over unless you goof and use the wrong one.

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I think he headed that one off at the pass pretty much, by way of making a specific statement but yeah. Soul doesn't seem inclined to gotcha us with "Ah yes, evil ingredient messes your soul up".

E: Oh wait I misread, thought you just meant Kholek's heart, not the Greedy One's Heart too. That one I can't remember if he said anything.

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make a Lever
[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about Cothique's Magical Traditions
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

I wonder how Snorri's going to split the Hearthguard up this turn. Considering the coming storm it wouldn't surprise me if he needs to keep back some more to guard him as he uses the Fulcrum.

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.

Seems like Gronti will be delayed by a few hundred years. Ah well.

Red Bovine said:

And many people people were against using the Heart because people kept pointing that realistically the vast majority of items we make for personal use would be gathering dust the vast majority of time. Because again, we are literally playing a researcher and crafter whose main things are research and crafting. It's fine to use extremely rare items for those since they are as best as they can be without being one of a kind since we wouldn't be using one of a kind items for something that wouldn't be seeing much use compared to someone who would actually be using it constantly.

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So fucking what? It's proof that the thread isn't completely altruistic, which is what I replied to your post to counter.

Dwarfs do not think this way. They are not human. I have no desire to deal with the headache that gifting a Tier 5 item to Kraka Drakk would cause. You could probably count on two hands the amount of Dwarfs in the Karaz Ankor who would see a problem with a Runesmith keeping the best stuff for themselves.

If I remember correctly, until we crafted Barak Azamar, Trollslayer was our greatest creation, and that was created for the Thane of Clan Ironarm. Think really hard about how much we have crafted for the Hold, and for ourselves. I can only really think of three difficult items that we created for ourselves, and the first of those is probably being used by our Hearthguard fairly often.

Edit: I forgot about the Adamant smelter. It's either three, four, or five difficult requests we have made for ourselves. I think the first smelter was created while we researched, so it shouldn't count. The second smelter benefitted the Brotherhood of Dron.

[X] Plan We Have a Fulcrum, Let's Make the Grimnir Gronti.

[X] [Letters:] Knowledge about this new Elf Colony
[X] [Specialty:] Productivity (Mastered+) > Productivity (Savant)
[X] [Specialty:] Odd and Esoteric Runes (Exceptional) > Odd and Esoteric Runes (Mastered)

BungieONI said:

I think he headed that one off at the pass pretty much, by way of making a specific statement but yeah. Soul doesn't seem inclined to gotcha us with "Ah yes, evil ingredient messes your soul up".

E: Oh wait I misread, thought you just meant Kholek's heart, not the Greedy One's Heart too. That one I can't remember if he said anything.

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Soul explicitly said Kholek's Heart wasn't a monkey's paw.

I dunno if they ever said similar about the Greedy One, but I assume the potential danger was floated when people were discussing using it for Barak Azamar. Given that if anything bad was going to happen it would have been in using the Greedy One Heart due to Kringus/Santa thematics, and that notably didn't happen, I think it's safe to say that reagents are also not monkey's paws. Sorry for not being clear.

And, again, reiterating how great it is to have a QM where we don't have to engage in that kind of paranoia.