Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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[X] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Geography: Extensive Imperial (100gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Esoteric Dwarven (350 gc)
I'm not sure we need to get books on waystones on Belegar's dime when we're going to be embarking on the project soon.
More importantly though, I want, no need, all the beastmen books we can get.
I will know what Dum's deal is. (And punch Borek in his cryptic face)
I'm not sure we need to get books on waystones on Belegar's dime when we're going to be embarking on the project soon.
More importantly though, I want, no need, all the beastmen books we can get.
I will know what Dum's deal is. (And punch Borek in his cryptic face)
[x] [LIBRARY] The Eonir of Laurelorn: Esoteric Dwarven (150 gc), Beastmen: Extensive Imperial, Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven (300 gc), Waystones and Henges: Esoteric Imperial (150 gc and 4 CF)
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IIRC he considered Mathilde something like a very smart pet up until she hit Wizard Lord. To say he isn't racist simply because he's less racist than certain other elves is very wrong.
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Here's the Word of Boney on Asarnil's attitude towards humans:
And then regarding how badass you have to be to get to the ten-point scale:
And then clarification:
So yeah, we're no longer in the "animal" tier with Asarnil. Other elves, though...
So my read of this is that the most common attitude for elites among the elves (as opposed to their common folk, whom we have never met) is to be staggeringly, stupefyingly racist towards humans. Asarnil is merely extremely racist towards humans, which is still extremely awkward from an objective perspective but still technically an improvement, and Teclis seems to have fallen into the camp of "only kind of racist towards humans," which is why the Colleges collectively adore him.
It should be noted that dwarfs, thanks to their years of close borders and long alliances, are generally only in 'the extremely racist towards humans' camp.
but then again, as Warhammer fantasy is modelled after pre/early industrial Europe, the humans tend to be in 'the kind of racist towards humans' camp.
... the old world is a pre/early industrial Europe setting. just... 'kind of racist' is the norm when different nations interact, it's sadly accurate for the emulated period.
treat it like you would any period piece,or fiction that is emulating a certain period. its not glorifying racism, its just sadly baked into context.
but then again, as Warhammer fantasy is modelled after pre/early industrial Europe, the humans tend to be in 'the kind of racist towards humans' camp.
... the old world is a pre/early industrial Europe setting. just... 'kind of racist' is the norm when different nations interact, it's sadly accurate for the emulated period.
treat it like you would any period piece,or fiction that is emulating a certain period. its not glorifying racism, its just sadly baked into context.
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I think mostly it's Cothique sailers/merchants (or 'sea elves' that have been retconned into Cothiqueans from older books) or Lothernans that we get to see the most of 'common elfs'.
generally, their option of humans seems to run a wider gauntlet, and is more based on personal experience if they actively dislike or get along with humans.
but that even then that tends to be limited to nobles/merchants/freemen... human peasants are still not actually people. (but constering that is often a belief shared by human nobles in setting and irl.... well.)
but I'm not sure how much of that is from the books or 'table canon' at this stage so... take it with salt.
Doomed Wombat
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And IIRC he saw her as more of an oddity at first (cause Teclis wizards etc.) but grew to like her after the book and Drakenhoff.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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I do wonder if we've actually hit that full ten point scale yet. We're barely a Lady Magister—which are a maybe—but you don't see very many of those pulling mountains out of hell.
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You can like animals.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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And you don't entrust them to write your biography, or to market and sell it.
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Idk man, I've seen some really smart crows in my time
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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I'd usually go for wise, not smart.
They're wise enough to know that this sentience business is a bad one
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The Colleges specifically adore him for getting Magnus to legalize magic. Which honestly took some balls. Like, Teclis rocked up with all of himself and two friends and flat out told Magnus that he should reform Imperial society.
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Magnus is a pal like that. Just rockin up, going "I have the backing of two gods, we're doing this now, look how damn good they kill daemons!" and then no one could say no without at LEAST 15 knives in their back
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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I mean, yeah Magnus is also really awesome for basically being like "Yeah, magic seems useful enough to overthrow two thousand years of tradition as laid down by my patron god."
I imagine after fighting a few battles with the support of Teclis at his back, being offered a way to have magical support, not quite as good but still pretty good, at his disposal at all times just sounded very good.
The words "They won't explode much more often than your cannons do" might also have been said.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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That said I believe everyone was rather surprised Teclis went in the first place.
IIRC the original plan by the Asur was to "politely" tell the human diplomats to Foff.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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AFAIK he didn't though. Like, there weren't any major battles (or any battles, that I know of, although it's far from wild to imagine a series of skirmishes while the army marched) the Imperials fought with Teclis until the Battle of Kislev itself.
Sure, but while the Colleges created a formal organization for the future, the decision to give wizards an amnesty was arguably more radical.
The Asur's plan was to go fight their own war and not send valuable troops thousands of miles overseas while there were Druchii murdering people on Ulthuan's shores. It wasn't like they just decided to brush Pieter Lazlo off.
Mopman43
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For what it's worth, Realms of Sorcery says that Teclis and his students showed their courage in "many battles" (page 28), so I suppose there must have been some at least.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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The way it's written does imply Teclis began teaching before those battles though. Interesting that it claims Yrtle fell in Ostermark though.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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...I know, that's why I phrased it the way I did.
Mopman43
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Yeah, that's even shown up in-quest (the Ostermark burgher that traveled to K8P to 'negotiate' with Mathilde mentioned visiting his grave in the past).