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Slight nitpick here, dampening is perfectly safe, hence why plenty of Empire nobles discreetly get it done for heirs who turn out to have magical potential. The risk with dampening is that dangling magical power just out of a person's reach for their entire life will often lead to them trying to do self-study as a 'magicker' and either blow themselves up or end up on the pyre.
That's a lot of words to say that dampening is not safe.
Dampening is not safe, because all the reasons you have stated.
If there was a way to permanently remove magical potential, then that might be an option, but as is, just putting some jewelry on an untrained child is not safe.
 
I think this might be the first real time we lose a Divided Loyalties vote. [...] Or at least, the motivation for doing it isn't fully clean.

If your standard for "us (implicitly the quest as a whole) losing a Divided Loyalties vote" is "the motivation for doing it isn't fully clean" then I've got some bad news for you about past votes in this quest.
 
That's a lot of words to say that dampening is not safe.
Dampening is not safe, because all the reasons you have stated.
If there was a way to permanently remove magical potential, then that might be an option, but as is, just putting some jewelry on an untrained child is not safe.
It's important to make the distinction, because just saying that dampening is not safe gives the impression that the procedure itself can be harmful to a person's health, which it is not.

The threat of Eike disregarding the dampening and playing with magic on her own can be mitigated by, y'know, having a Lady Magister of the Grey Order, who is both a future business partner and a close acquaintance of her grandmother, take the time to fully explain the dangers involved with that and the repercussions for getting caught. It wouldn't be the first time Mathilde's had to explain the dangers involved with handling magic carelessly, we once did that for Panoramia.
 
If your standard for "us (implicitly the quest as a whole) losing a Divided Loyalties vote" is "the motivation for doing it isn't fully clean" then I've got some bad news for you about past votes in this quest.

No see that time we robbed the already struggling treasury of Stirland was for their own good, they had too much damn money. Or how about the time we voted to steal the whole Niter business? That was for the good of everyone because er... us having money made us better at doing good :V

Seriously though Mathy is not a saint and I really wish the notion that she is were put to bed already. We have definitely done more good than harm, but that does not make us somehow above selfishness
 
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The threat of Eike disregarding the dampening and playing with magic on her own can be mitigated by, y'know, having a Lady Magister of the Grey Order, who is both a future business partner and a close acquaintance of her grandmother, take the time to fully explain the dangers involved with that and the repercussions for getting caught. It wouldn't be the first time Mathilde's had to explain the dangers involved with handling magic carelessly, we once did that for Panoramia.

If a suitably thorough lecture was all it took, Magickers wouldn't exist.
 
It is worth keeping in mind that for all its dangers the capacity for magic is a natural expression of the soul, closer than sight and hearing, taste and touch. What a Dampener does is take away that sense and binds that ethereal limb forever. Of course it is going to start feeling numb, of course it is going to tempting to make use of it just a little...

It is going to take much more than a stern lecture to stop that temptation, my guess is that it takes either deep and abiding loathing of magic in general or getting burned once.
 
That's a lot of words to say that dampening is not safe.
Dampening is not safe, because all the reasons you have stated.
If there was a way to permanently remove magical potential, then that might be an option, but as is, just putting some jewelry on an untrained child is not safe.
Well, technically there is, with Pacification, though that process of gelding the soul is more reserved for major traitors to the Colleges like Screaming Lord Reichthard. So totally not an option in the slightest.
 
I am 100% certain that if I was a noble boy with magic who got a dampner I'd last maybe a year at best before taking it off.

The object itself is a reminder of what you could do, just imagine that. A constant reminder that you could be doing magic hanging around your neck or wrapped around your finger.

If I just take off the necklace I could do things most people could never dream of.

Sure it's dangerous but I'll be careful right?
 
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I am 100% certain that if I was a noble boy with magic who got a dampner I'd last maybe a year at best before taking it off.

The object itself is a reminder of what you could do just imagine that.

If I just take off the necklace I could do things most people could never dream of.

Sure it's dangerous but I'll be careful right?
A year? I would barely last a month.
 
Or, how will the rest of the Grey's Lord Magisters and the Patriarch see Mathilde trying to groom and take over the EIC, or her expending influence to grab and care for Eike? It's medival times so family and friends getting preferential treatment is expected to some degree, but seeing that kind of behaviour in a Lady Magister of the Grey is another thing entirely.

Grey Magisters typically recruit people without many entanglements so that they avoid divided loyalties outside the Order. There's not going to be any framework of avoiding preferential treatment inside an organisation based on apprenticeships - any apprentice Mathilde picks will automatically have a massive head start because she's got twice the Magic score of the average Magister and probably about two hundred times the political pull.

Taking over the EIC is entirely untroubling compared to Mathilde's state of 'one good duel from becoming head of the Colleges' or 'one message and then having an army of very unamused Dawi'.
 
You know I just noticed something. When Eike said 'dwarfs make the best stuff' Mathilde's response went right to rune weapons which was probably quite far from the kid's thoughts. That is a nice way to show how much Mathilde lives and breathes magic, that her mind would go there first not just to ancient magic but also to weapons of war. It's the little touches like this that make me love this quest.
 
Grey Magisters typically recruit people without many entanglements so that they avoid divided loyalties outside the Order. There's not going to be any framework of avoiding preferential treatment inside an organisation based on apprenticeships - any apprentice Mathilde picks will automatically have a massive head start because she's got twice the Magic score of the average Magister and probably about two hundred times the political pull.

Taking over the EIC is entirely untroubling compared to Mathilde's state of 'one good duel from becoming head of the Colleges' or 'one message and then having an army of very unamused Dawi'.
Add to that the fact that Mathilde pretty much already does own the EIC., and would likely have Eike fairly loyal to her anyway.
 
[X] Wizard
- [X] Let Eike decide
- [X] The Grey Order
- [X] The Order of Life
- [X] The Golden Order
 
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[X] Neutral
[X] Wizard
- [X] Let Eike decide
- [X] The Order of Light
- [X] The Celestial College
- [X] The Golden Order
- [X] The Order of Life
- [X] The Grey Order
[X] Clergy
 
You know I just noticed something. When Eike said 'dwarfs make the best stuff' Mathilde's response went right to rune weapons which was probably quite far from the kid's thoughts. That is a nice way to show how much Mathilde lives and breathes magic, that her mind would go there first not just to ancient magic but also to weapons of war. It's the little touches like this that make me love this quest.
Give us a decade and we can have Eike thinking like that too. :V

Grey Magisters typically recruit people without many entanglements so that they avoid divided loyalties outside the Order. There's not going to be any framework of avoiding preferential treatment inside an organisation based on apprenticeships - any apprentice Mathilde picks will automatically have a massive head start because she's got twice the Magic score of the average Magister and probably about two hundred times the political pull.

Taking over the EIC is entirely untroubling compared to Mathilde's state of 'one good duel from becoming head of the Colleges' or 'one message and then having an army of very unamused Dawi'.
And that's not even considering what sort of facilities or training tools we can provide. Mathilde has damn good places for learning new magic, immediate and direct access to the Windsoak mushrooms, a massive library, a hunk of dragon bone just waiting to be turned into a staff if we want to give her a really early boost, and then the Gambler if we ever felt like driving in a lesson particularly well.
 
Well, technically there is, with Pacification, though that process of gelding the soul is more reserved for major traitors to the Colleges like Screaming Lord Reichthard. So totally not an option in the slightest.
And we could also just kill her, technicly.
There is no procedure to safely remove her magic, that we are willing to employ.
 
Give us a decade and we can have Eike thinking like that too. :V


And that's not even considering what sort of facilities or training tools we can provide. Mathilde has damn good places for learning new magic, immediate and direct access to the Windsoak mushrooms, a massive library, a hunk of dragon bone just waiting to be turned into a staff if we want to give her a really early boost, and then the Gambler if we ever felt like driving in a lesson particularly well.

A dragonbone staff might be a bit much to send to a Junior apprentice, but I think a dwarf made grounding rod would not go amiss just in case . We can buy those for money now.
 
You know I just noticed something. When Eike said 'dwarfs make the best stuff' Mathilde's response went right to rune weapons which was probably quite far from the kid's thoughts. That is a nice way to show how much Mathilde lives and breathes magic, that her mind would go there first not just to ancient magic but also to weapons of war. It's the little touches like this that make me love this quest.

The Runefangs and Ghal Maraz are the symbols of the Empire and have been unsurpassed by human crafters even after two millennia. Going to the most famous examples of Dawi craftsmanship seems pretty normal - that's how I'd expect most of the nobility to answer if asked about best Dawi stuff.

Well that and ale. Dwarves are excellent brewers.
 
The Runefangs and Ghal Maraz are the symbols of the Empire and have been unsurpassed by human crafters even after two millennia. Going to the most famous examples of Dawi craftsmanship seems pretty normal - that's how I'd expect most of the nobility to answer if asked about best Dawi stuff.

Eike is not part of the warrior nobility and she was talking about good stuff from the perspective of trade.
 
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