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Break glass in case of Altdorf being besieged by undead army?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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- Russia
Would be an awesome dialogue with Algard when he informs her, wincing in foreseeing future headaches, that he'll need to invent a new level of classification for her recent paper.
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- They/It
Uuuuugh I hate walking away from my computer when I have this thread open haha. I was looking for a specific thing earlier and had to step away for a bit to clean.
I spent like half an hour catching up on the thread. Sitting here wondering why the hell the thread's suddenly talking about visiting Algard and discussing the finer merits of studying AV. It's a little late so it took me far too long to realize what was up and that I was like 4000 pages in the past.
I spent like half an hour catching up on the thread. Sitting here wondering why the hell the thread's suddenly talking about visiting Algard and discussing the finer merits of studying AV. It's a little late so it took me far too long to realize what was up and that I was like 4000 pages in the past.
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- Utrecht
Adding knowledge of that level of classification to the grey's encoded messages, with a mindwipe programmed to be triggered of you don't voluntarily come back to have the secrets locked back up when you're done using them, maybe?
tapkomet
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus
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"Burn before reading. We mean the author."
"Burn before reading. We mean the author."
That sounds more like a Bright College requirement...
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- U.S.A.
Not really, dhar is more a hazard than a secret let them know that by reading this they raise their profile in the eyes of chaos and narrow down what sort of person would benefit/be experienced enough to bare the increased chaotic attention from reading and why they might choose to read anyways. Anyways that sort of paper better be useful enough to justify the risks.
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MiracleGrow
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[X] DIPLO: Polyglot
That level of insight into the nature of Dhar would allow an otherwise average Wizard to become an extremely dangerous Necromancer or Chaos Sorcerer.
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Important philosophical question. Are people implicitly approved for classification of research they discovered or are occurances of "Great job, shame I'm going to have to mindhole you for this." common. And if so, how often do people use that to plagiarise papers?
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Mindhole has a limited range (in time). Unless there's some one out there with a drastically altered mindhole to do this it's not really possible
Out of curiosity do the colleges have any record of someone becoming both, that is casting both from the Lores of the Dark Gods and the Lore of Necromancy? I know the Dark Gods would hate it if you raised the dead in their service, but they would not have much cause to object to say Gaze of Nagash I think.
Mindhole removes the target's memories of the caster. It's not a selective memory editor.
Not that Mathilde knows of.
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Did Mathilde have to learn the Skaven lessons that then got mindwiped or where the Skaven lessons implanted?
Interesting about the second. I didn't think we knew whether Chaos Sorcerers used Dhar, rather than something involving divine magic. Also revealing that this isn't one of the secrets that a chaos sorcerer's daemonic patrons/teachers would or could tell them. I think one of the reasons given for why Witches sell their souls is because they need a teacher.
Although we'd have to justify it, I think Tome of Corruption says that the Colleges have redacted copies of Chaotic Grimories that can be studied for their insights into better combat Chaos. The Light College's Ancient Library is also noted to study such things. I wonder if publishing this on a very restricted basis might be enough to earn us some access to the Light College's teachings.
Thinking about it, Mathilde has a pretty uniquely broad experience of Dhar use. She's read the Liber Mortis and seen an elder vampire's necromancy in action, she's read a Warlock-Engineer's library of techno-sorcery and helped reverse engineer one such device, she's seen an Eshin sorcerer cast a spell from the Lore of Stealth. She's visited the Chaos Wastes and seen a beastmen demigod use Dhar to mutate sometime. Even her Windherder trait is related to Dhar in terms of knowing what leads to its formation and how not to do it. All but the first of these are things she can tell trusted Magisters about.
Before we write the big book of Dhar, there may be a couple of further things to look into. The dwarves have been fighting users of Dhar since almost the dawn of time. They may well have collected lots of records of what it can do and how to deal with it. This is the kind of thing I can see the Runesmiths writing in Arcane Khazalid and it being the kind of secret knowledge they'd let us have access to because it's not about runecrafting. Given the threat of Necromancy, I can also see the Cult of Gazul having some interesting material as well.
IIRC, from what Manfred either directly says or strongly implies in Liber Necris, all Necromancy goes Shyish->dead soul (fragment)->Dhar. Something like Gaze of Nagash isn't binding the soul fragment to its corpse to reanimate it, but is presumably still using (consuming?) a piece of soul that could otherwise belong to them.
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Sure, but why would the Chaos Gods dislike that?
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
The way it was described they look like memory packets implanted to go off when trigger keys are detected. No idea how it truely works but it looks like a reverse mindhole to me.
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- Staring into the void
Dhar way out in front, with Polyglot holding a slim lead
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- USA
"Now...would you kindly forget this subject until someone else brings it back up in the future?"
A piece of soul a necromancer is using for Gaze of Nagash isn't one that they're giving to a Chaos God?
There's also possibly a mindset compatibility problem. Necromancy may require a necromancer to be absolutely certain of their rightful dominion over their own soul and the souls of the dead. That may be hard to combine with the genuine faith required to truly dedicate your soul to a chaos god. Necromancy was invented by someone motivated by the desire that their soul would absolutely be their own, cut off from the influences of the forces and entities of the Aethyr. I suspect that learning the Lore Nagash invented may require adopting large parts of his mindset, as it's intimately bound up in the spells.
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Problems there is that Mindhole is at short range and a way to store a spell to execute at a later point wasn't invented until Mathildes Matrix, and if it were something like that were applied to her anyway then windsight would have seen it.
Anyway, I don't know this is too relevant to the original point, I misunderstood mindhole, doesn't really matter if its done with a different spell, and we kinda know that spells exist that aren't on the list because of Algard rearranging the sky and his pocket dimensions and stuff.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
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- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
No I don't mind Dhar Insight winning either, it was always going to be part of my vote. And while I might possibly change my vote if Theologian started catching up, right now, it's nowhere close.
Edit: Fayhem's argument convinced me to change my vote and remove Dhar Insight. Fingers crossed for a Theologian miracle. C'mon Ranald, do your thing.
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